so what goes wrong with the 5 series

[bordseye]

Sarnie said:

, do your own due diligence and buy one!

thats what I am trying to do with this thread.

[Sarnie]

bordseye said:

thats what I am trying to do with this thread.

Threads on the internet is not the sort of due diligence I was talking about..................

[bordseye]

what were you talking about then? just in case there is an angle I havent thought of.

[The Surveyor]

bordseye said:

what were you talking about then? just in case there is an angle I havent thought of.

Have you driven one yet?

For me, once I'd driven a 570s I knew I could forgive it any frailties. If felt 'right', it looked 'right', to me it even sounded 'right', I was going to become a 570s owner regardless of any scare stories. Other people get the same feeling from Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini etc, and assuming it's not going to leave you skint cars like these are bought with your heart, not with your head. The most important due-diligence for a fun-car purchase, has to be 'is it fun?' IMHO.

[bordseye]

Driven a 6 series a couple of times but not a 5 series. Fabulous cars.

I agree about the head bit - but only up to a point. Wouldnt be dithering between a Fezza and the McLaren if I was just making a sensible decision. I'd buy a Hyundai SUV or similar. But we are all different. I suffer with depression and the ability to get things out of all proportion. So I bought a 430 and then made myself miserable worrying about manifolds and clutches. Neither problem happened. Neither would have been financially significant for me. But none of that helped at 3 in the morning.

People say " snap out of it" but you cant. Its irrational but its there all the time.

But back to the real subject, Ferrari have the plus of lots of indies, discounted parts prices and to be fair normally pretty reliable mechanicals. I can get a 360 engine rebuilt for 10k. A McLaren engine would be more like 35k I believe.

[HIS LM]

If you worry about what might go wrong and it keeps you awake at night you're better off not knowing !

My advice, decide which Mac you want buy from a reputable dealer make sure it comes with a warranty and go enjoy it

There are some good deals to be had on slow moving stock this time of year

[12pack]

Well if you’re going to compare a 360 motor to a Mac 3.8 V8, I would expect the latter to be more bullet proof. It’s designed to withstand turbo charging up to full boost, but you don’t run it at full boost most of the time.

[macdeb]

bordseye said:

I agree about the head bit - but only up to a point. Wouldnt be dithering between a Fezza and the McLaren if I was just making a sensible decision. I'd buy a Hyundai SUV or similar. But we are all different. I suffer with depression and the ability to get things out of all proportion. So I bought a 430 and then made myself miserable worrying about manifolds and clutches. Neither problem happened. Neither would have been financially significant for me. But none of that helped at 3 in the morning.

People say " snap out of it" but you cant. Its irrational but its there all the time.

I know this all too well, you're not alone.
apologies for slight hi-jack

Edited by macdeb on Saturday 26th January 11:19

[macdeb]

bordseye said:

I agree about the head bit - but only up to a point. Wouldnt be dithering between a Fezza and the McLaren if I was just making a sensible decision. I'd buy a Hyundai SUV or similar. But we are all different. I suffer with depression and the ability to get things out of all proportion. So I bought a 430 and then made myself miserable worrying about manifolds and clutches. Neither problem happened. Neither would have been financially significant for me. But none of that helped at 3 in the morning.

People say " snap out of it" but you cant. Its irrational but its there all the time.

I know this all too well, you're not alone.
apologies for slight hi-jack

Edited by macdeb on Saturday 26th January 11:20

[bordseye]

12pack said:

Well if you’re going to compare a 360 motor to a Mac 3.8 V8, I would expect the latter to be more bullet proof. It’s designed to withstand turbo charging up to full boost, but you don’t run it at full boost most of the time.

I wsnt comparing the engineering of the two engines though I would back a Ferrari engine any day. They always say that with a Ferrari you buy an engine and get the rest of the car thrown in. No what I was comparing were relative costs. Not only do McLaren parts seem more expensive but the car is pretty complex electronically with lots of sensors servos etc to fail. And all to be handled by an official dealer because indies arent allowed.

[Sarnie]

bordseye said:

And all to be handled by an official dealer because indies arent allowed.

Not true.......more internet nonsense;

http://www.backdraftmotorsport.com/gt-car-servicin...

https://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/shop/mclaren/5...


And growing................

[12pack]

Thanks for those links. Looks like Thorney has covered the most commonly quoted 12C problems, at least.

[12pack]

bordseye said:

I wsnt comparing the engineering of the two engines though I would back a Ferrari engine any day. They always say that with a Ferrari you buy an engine and get the rest of the car thrown in.

Right. Probably why the 355 I had was biggest bucket of junk I ever experienced. Not sure if keeping the engine sealed or the body from rusting (even in the arid US Southwest) was harder.

[bordseye]

Sarnie said:

Not true.......more internet nonsense;

http://www.backdraftmotorsport.com/gt-car-servicin...

https://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/shop/mclaren/5...


And growing................

Now those links are useful and a bit reassuring. Can they get supplies of parts - a dealer had told me that McLaren only sold to their own dealers. Yes he would say that but he might also be right.

Does anyone kinow if they have access to the necessary computer software

Edited by bordseye on Sunday 27th January 12:04

[slarti650]

Sarnie said:

Threads on the internet is not the sort of due diligence I was talking about..................

10000000%!!!

[slarti650]

Sold my 12c with 50k on the clock
Never a problem. 20k on my 650...still no problems. Id buy another in a heart best.

In also have 2 Ferraris. Great cars but cost me more to run as more stuff wears out or breaks

[isaldiri]

bordseye said:

Can they get supplies of parts - a dealer had told me that McLaren only sold to their own dealers. Yes he would say that but he might also be right.

No the dealer that told you that is talking complete BS.