McLaren GT - Test Drive

McLaren GT - Test Drive

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ituned

143 posts

160 months

Wednesday 26th August 2020
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RBT0 said:
Guys what are we talking about?

A Vantage? Really? Against a 570S?

570S will tear apart the Vantage in any field.

Just look at power to weight ratio and weight distribution.

Plus steering?

This sounds like a joke. Sorry.
Perhaps if you read my initial message it might help. I used to own a 570S and I now own a new model Vantage. I’d asked for feedback from those who’d test driven a new model McLaren GT. Another contributor had asked for feedback about the new Vantage.

Perhaps look before you leap?

RBT0

1,476 posts

121 months

Wednesday 26th August 2020
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ituned said:
12pack said:
ituned said:
570S ....... very unstable under hard braking on any road that was not smooth, but otherwise really enjoyed my time with it.
How is it compared to your new Vantage? My V12V is particularly poor in this regard - and makes for a big nod towards the Super Series Macs with their hydraulic set-up.
The new Vantage is a completely different feel. Steering is quite numb compared to the 570S but I can hustle the car at a good pace. I have standard steel brakes and the Vantage is very stable under heavy braking, on roads where I found the McLaren quite unstable. It has bags more low down torque than the McLaren which I found a bit peaky and the noise is awesome. I’ve tracked both and the Vantage was great fun but clearly not nearly as fast as the 570S which was awesome on a smooth race track.

My Vantage is being filmed on my favourite roads this Saturday, for a YouTube feature on Jayemm on Cars channel. I hope he likes it. :-)
Reading that a Vantage is more stable than a 570S makes me laugh, that's the reason of my post above.

ituned

143 posts

160 months

Wednesday 26th August 2020
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RBT0 said:
ituned said:
12pack said:
ituned said:
570S ....... very unstable under hard braking on any road that was not smooth, but otherwise really enjoyed my time with it.
How is it compared to your new Vantage? My V12V is particularly poor in this regard - and makes for a big nod towards the Super Series Macs with their hydraulic set-up.
The new Vantage is a completely different feel. Steering is quite numb compared to the 570S but I can hustle the car at a good pace. I have standard steel brakes and the Vantage is very stable under heavy braking, on roads where I found the McLaren quite unstable. It has bags more low down torque than the McLaren which I found a bit peaky and the noise is awesome. I’ve tracked both and the Vantage was great fun but clearly not nearly as fast as the 570S which was awesome on a smooth race track.

My Vantage is being filmed on my favourite roads this Saturday, for a YouTube feature on Jayemm on Cars channel. I hope he likes it. :-)
Reading that a Vantage is more stable than a 570S makes me laugh, that's the reason of my post above.
You’ve owned both? Driven both hard? Probably not driven a 570S hard enough on bumpy back roads.

Probably worth reading my post properly? Laugh all you want, but you sound like a complete know it all, who sadly know’s very little.



bolidemichael

13,983 posts

203 months

Wednesday 26th August 2020
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Nice write up OP. Where were the open road shots taken?

McLarenGuru

72 posts

48 months

Thursday 27th August 2020
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ituned said:
You’ve owned both? Driven both hard? Probably not driven a 570S hard enough on bumpy back roads.

Probably worth reading my post properly? Laugh all you want, but you sound like a complete know it all, who sadly know’s very little.
I've driven the 570S very hard, for many miles. Both on track, and on the road, the 570S is SOOOO planted, whether you're on a bumpy road, or track. Although i haven't driven the NEW Vantage, i have driven many of the other models, and i find it difficult to believe that the Vantage is as compliant/handles better than a 570. You are comparing a Supercar to a Touring GT...?

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 27th August 2020
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Could there be something wrong with the geo setup on the 570S?

LotusJas

1,326 posts

233 months

Thursday 27th August 2020
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To be fair to OP, the clue is probably in the comment "on very bumpy roads".

A stiffly sprung car will be poor on such a road compared to a heavy and soft Aston GT car.

But that's a pretty unique case, as you just wouldn't put yourself in a position where you might need to apply maximum braking on such a poor surface.

Back op topic though, the McLaren GT rides better than a 720S in terms of comfort, and is also very good dynamically. Although it wouldn't see which way a 720S went of course.

justin220

Original Poster:

5,357 posts

206 months

Thursday 27th August 2020
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bolidemichael said:
Nice write up OP. Where were the open road shots taken?
Thanks, they were taken beside Whitelee Windfarm

carspath

838 posts

179 months

Thursday 27th August 2020
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Nice write up justin220... thank you .

I understand what ituned is saying , and his comments should not be dismissed lightly .
I enjoy B roads most , and for the wider cars sweeping A roads .
Many of these can be bumpy , cambered , and with tram line tracks .

An overly- stiff sprung car will be all over the place , and less planted and less controllable in such a setting .
Sure , the driver identifies the road surface , and adjusts his driving accordingly , but ultimately there is less fun in driving an unduly stiff car on such roads simply because it is not as controllable , not as safe , and not as comfortable , to press on at speed .


RBT0

1,476 posts

121 months

Thursday 27th August 2020
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MAC 720S said:
Could there be something wrong with the geo setup on the 570S?
Exactly.

The chap should learn some physics.

Lol

RBT0

1,476 posts

121 months

Thursday 27th August 2020
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McLarenGuru said:
ituned said:
You’ve owned both? Driven both hard? Probably not driven a 570S hard enough on bumpy back roads.

Probably worth reading my post properly? Laugh all you want, but you sound like a complete know it all, who sadly know’s very little.
I've driven the 570S very hard, for many miles. Both on track, and on the road, the 570S is SOOOO planted, whether you're on a bumpy road, or track. Although i haven't driven the NEW Vantage, i have driven many of the other models, and i find it difficult to believe that the Vantage is as compliant/handles better than a 570. You are comparing a Supercar to a Touring GT...?
That's the point.

Lol

dsl2

1,474 posts

203 months

Thursday 27th August 2020
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I would concur my 570 Spider is very lively under hard braking from high speed on country roads, helps to remind you just how fast you are travelling though!

720 was different gravy on a brief test drive, much much more planted with its trick suspension & raising wing.

570 moves around a hell of a lot under heavy braking & definitely needs to be in Sport or track so as to not tie itself in knots if you're cracking on. Its very easy to get the suspension rise & fall out of phase when going quickly on bumpy roads..

RBT0

1,476 posts

121 months

Thursday 27th August 2020
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Yes it’s lively, I’ve noticed as well during a spirited drive. I was in track mode. It’s all sorted with the LT of course. But nothing dangerous on the 570S.

And still I can’t compute how a heavier, less balanced gt can be better.

Oh yes, either because it’s slower, something wrong with geo on that specific 570S or road so bumpy that it’s not a reference for this type of car (still the Vantage can be more stable only if slower or due to more compliant damping).

carspath

838 posts

179 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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RBTO : '' road so bumpy that it’s not a reference for this type of car ''



RBTO -- You've been LOL'ing and laughing so much that you haven't taken the time to note that ituned was very careful to nuance

1) his first comment ( '' on any road that was not smooth '' ) , and then to

2) re-emphasize it for your personal benefit a second time ( ''You’ve owned both? Driven both hard? Probably not driven a 570S hard enough on bumpy back roads.Probably worth reading my post properly? Laugh all you want, but you sound like a complete know it all, who sadly know’s very little. '')




Some of us like driving on B roads and sweeping A roads , and these are bumpy and not race circuit smooth .
Hence my simple and clear explanation above supporting ituned's initial and follow-on comments .




Ironic that you should castigate ituned for being ignorant in physics ( '' The chap should learn some physics. '' ) , when you then fall back to the exact same premise that ituned started from , by saying '' road so bumpy that it’s not a reference for this type of car ''

That's a hilarious pullback on your part , bearing in mind that we are talking about ROAD CARS here -- who are you to say that these cars are not to be used on typical UK B roads ?





Lesson : Read what the person has written carefully . He might not have a PhD in physics , but he has written in simple , clear English .




You seem to think that throw-away half line quips are a substitute for detailed and thought out answers and arguments , but they are usually not .
They come across as unthought through and half baked .
You probably need a PhD in Physics and Humour to pull that off , and it appears that you might be sorely lacking here !!



As Dr Johnson said to the King in Blackadder , '' its the post-Norman tongue '' , but it does presuppose that you take the time and trouble to read and understand English before commenting , LOL'ing , or laughing .

Even Baldrick would understand that



Edited by carspath on Friday 28th August 00:24


Edited by carspath on Friday 28th August 00:30

justin220

Original Poster:

5,357 posts

206 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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Interesting comments on the 570S vs V8V.

I must admit, I had a lot of confidence in throwing the GT through bends and along a back road. It is very smooth, and rides very well IMO. Where I thought it struggled ever so slightly against the 540, would be in a tight, quick corner. The suspension is clearly a bit softer, which actually gave the feeling of more weight transfer from side to side, as the car rolled slightly more. I dare say there would be next to nothing in it between the two on a country lane, but the slightly better body control or flatter cornering in the 540C gave me a bit more confidence.

On the straights and bumps, I actually think the GT was slightly better. The higher nose actually gives a lot of confidence when approaching a dip that you are not going to bottom out.

bolidemichael

13,983 posts

203 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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justin220 said:
bolidemichael said:
Nice write up OP. Where were the open road shots taken?
Thanks, they were taken beside Whitelee Windfarm
Cheers Justin,

It just so happened that we are in Glasgow so after a night at the so-so Kimpton, took a detour via the 'Angelwax' outlet in Renfrew.



AL001

831 posts

272 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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Looks familiar. smile


39sl

169 posts

126 months

Saturday 29th August 2020
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Couldn’t resist posting this picture taken yesterday ... little stop, just off the A82 eastbound after a fantastic week in and around western Scotland


psw

2 posts

97 months

Friday 4th September 2020
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Good review by Justin220...

Whilst I accept comments about a stiffly sprung car on bumpy roads, I don't agree that a soft Aston GT car will be better than a Mac on those bumpy roads, one just needs to run the Mac in comfort/soft mode to soak up the bumps more adequately & it will imo still handle better than any heavy AM.

I've owned a 650S Spider for 4 years & just bought a new GT, I love my 650 but decided the GT after having a 4 day test drive suited my current needs better. I wanted a slightly softer, more comfortable car that could be a sometime daily, whilst still having the dynamics, gorgeous steering & road feel of a Mac, I also race a Radical SR8 & felt that if I really wanted to get my kicks at huge speeds, the race car provided that.

I love my new GT, it is performing & suiting my needs just as I thought, the cabin is a nicer place to live than my 650, that might be a lot to do with the new later model interior, it has more 'in cabin' space for things, with small door pockets & even a glove box, the aniline leather everywhere is really luxurious & seats super comfortable. The driving position of the GT, 720 & my 650 is still just the best of any car on the market I've ever driven. I'm about to do a 2000km country road trip & will report back if people are interested following that extended trip.

On public roads (this being the operative phrase), except perhaps on no limit German autobahns, I'd challenge anyone to be able to drive a 720 or 675 any faster point to point on public roads, it still handles just like my 650S at speed but does it more comfortably when at slower & more leisurely cruising speeds. The differences in capability at high speed is so negligible on a public road, imo one will never really notice it.

I used to drive all my fast road cars on the track, but then about 10 years ago I drove a Radical on track, I was so impressed I bought one & went racing, now driving a road car (even a Mac) on the track is akin to driving a boat compared to the Radical.

I still love to have a sports car for the driving dynamics, for those early morning spirited drives through the country side with mates, or the occasional road trip with the wife & the GT is perfect for this.

I think all the super car manufacturers & a lot of their buyers have become obsessed with the numbers & bragging rights, one can't really explore the limits of any of the modern day supercars on public roads anymore, that said feeling the power of a 600hp road car is still intoxicating, but imo so little incremental difference on the road, when up at those HP figures.

Not Ideal

2,906 posts

190 months

Friday 4th September 2020
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^^ thanks for the review and first post. Yes definitely love to hear your thoughts post-trip.