720s New Engine

[Conker123]

Penrhyn said:

Conker123

I’d also pickup and the numbers matching as well. Some folks will just not buy your car as a result. So Mclaren need to factor that in to any money discussion.

Good luck

Hi Penrhyn

Sorry mate I don't follow. What do you mean by the numbers matching

[IMI A]

Conker123 said:

Penrhyn said:

Conker123

I’d also pickup and the numbers matching as well. Some folks will just not buy your car as a result. So Mclaren need to factor that in to any money discussion.

Good luck

Hi Penrhyn

Sorry mate I don't follow. What do you mean by the numbers matching

Cars like 720s are instant collectibles. Not having the original engine may adversely effect your 720s resale value. Original engine and gearbox are sought after by collectors. If its such a small issue I can not understand why they can not repair original engine however Mcl with replacement engines are not uncommon. I watched a 12c vid and the car had had 2/3 engines and gearboxes under warranty.

[ettore]

IMI A said:

Conker123 said:

Penrhyn said:

Conker123

I’d also pickup and the numbers matching as well. Some folks will just not buy your car as a result. So Mclaren need to factor that in to any money discussion.

Good luck

Hi Penrhyn

Sorry mate I don't follow. What do you mean by the numbers matching

Cars like 720s are instant collectibles. Not having the original engine may adversely effect your 720s resale value. Original engine and gearbox are sought after by collectors. If its such a small issue I can not understand why they can not repair original engine however Mcl with replacement engines are not uncommon. I watched a 12c vid and the car had had 2/3 engines and gearboxes under warranty.

I think you’re stoking up a problem that doesn’t exist. It’s a current supercar having a new engine within its warranty period. Non-issue.

[anonymous-user]

Penrhyn said:

Conker123

I’d also pickup and the numbers matching as well. Some folks will just not buy your car as a result. So Mclaren need to factor that in to any money discussion.

Good luck

Wouldn’t bother me in the slightest. If there is McLaren HQ documentation in place, I’d see it as a bonus that it has had a replacement engine.

[hornbaek]

“720 being instant collectibles and matching numbers a must”

You are not being serious are you ?

[IMI A]

Just me but yes I'd want mine notching numbers definitely. Not stoking up anything. I'd love to see how many of the nay sayers would buy a non matching numbers Mcl for #200k. Not me

[IMI A]

And I'm a fan of the cars maybe not so much the niggles. Replacement engine!@

[ettore]

IMI A said:

And I'm a fan of the cars maybe not so much the niggles. Replacement engine!@

These things happen and they seem to be doing the right thing. Wouldn’t bother me in the least and these aren’t collectors cars at this point. Matching numbers is a bit of a dull concept really and only has a meaningful impact in proper, rare stuff when it’s reached collector status.

[The Road Crew]

How would you even know the engine had been replaced?

Surely the car carries the VIN, the engine carries the engine number, they are different from new aren't they?

[Purso]

agree likely only another 20-30 years before this is an issue if at all.

ettore said:

These things happen and they seem to be doing the right thing. Wouldn’t bother me in the least and these aren’t collectors cars at this point. Matching numbers is a bit of a dull concept really and only has a meaningful impact in proper, rare stuff when it’s reached collector status.

[IMI A]

ettore said:

IMI A said:

And I'm a fan of the cars maybe not so much the niggles. Replacement engine!@

These things happen and they seem to be doing the right thing. Wouldn’t bother me in the least and these aren’t collectors cars at this point. Matching numbers is a bit of a dull concept really and only has a meaningful impact in proper, rare stuff when it’s reached collector status.

I agree. My own 997.1 turbo had replacement engine at 59000 miles and I still have her. Its never going to be a collectable though and If I had a choice obviously I'd prefer matching numbers as I've owned her from new. Goes well though actually faultless since replacement engine - was a lemon before

[drcarrera]

The Road Crew said:

How would you even know the engine had been replaced?

Surely the car carries the VIN, the engine carries the engine number, they are different from new aren't they?

It'll be in the original documentation and on the registration document (which I think would need to be updated and the changes recorded) and presumably there's a label in the car somewhere listing all the numbers as delivered.

Don't think it would make much of a difference in the short term but maybe 20 years down the line when it starts becoming a "classic" and originality is more sought after.

[Ferruccio]

The Road Crew said:

How would you even know the engine had been replaced?

Surely the car carries the VIN, the engine carries the engine number, they are different from new aren't they?

Concours events ask about both.

[davek_964]

In the real world..... I've sold a couple of Ferrari's in the past that were ~20 years old and not a single person who viewed them asked - or appeared to care less - whether the engine number had changed.

There might indeed be a very small number of concourse people who care but I really don't think most will.

This place gets more bizarre every day. One minute McLaren's are the fastest depreciating thing you can waste your money on - the next, they're future classic investments that would be devalued by not having the original engine.
Unless the OP was planning to stick it in a dehumidified garage for 20+ years, I really can't see it matters. And even then, I don't think the 720 is a rare / special enough car that they would.

Edited by davek_964 on Wednesday 16th September 13:27

[chloea]

have you thought about having an engine restoration?

[Desert Dragon]

davek_964 said:

In the real world..... I've sold a couple of Ferrari's in the past that were ~20 years old and not a single person who viewed them asked - or appeared to care less - whether the engine number had changed.

There might indeed be a very small number of concourse people who care but I really don't think most will.

This place gets more bizarre every day. One minute McLaren's are the fastest depreciating thing you can waste your money on - the next, they're future classic investments that would be devalued by not having the original engine.
Unless the OP was planning to stick it in a dehumidified garage for 20+ years, I really can't see it matters. And even then, I don't think the 720 is a rare / special enough car that they would.

Edited by davek_964 on Wednesday 16th September 13:27

I wonder if you'd feel the same if you needed a replacement engine?

[davek_964]

Desert Dragon said:

davek_964 said:

In the real world..... I've sold a couple of Ferrari's in the past that were ~20 years old and not a single person who viewed them asked - or appeared to care less - whether the engine number had changed.

There might indeed be a very small number of concourse people who care but I really don't think most will.

This place gets more bizarre every day. One minute McLaren's are the fastest depreciating thing you can waste your money on - the next, they're future classic investments that would be devalued by not having the original engine.
Unless the OP was planning to stick it in a dehumidified garage for 20+ years, I really can't see it matters. And even then, I don't think the 720 is a rare / special enough car that they would.

Edited by davek_964 on Wednesday 16th September 13:27

I wonder if you'd feel the same if you needed a replacement engine?

I assure you I really wouldn't care.

My car has had an entire respray in my ownership. I imagine that would upset the purists just a much. I'm happy that I have an immaculate car, thanks to McLaren.

Pretty sure I'd feel the same if they were handing me a new engine. Would I be annoyed that it needed one and was off the road for several weeks? Absolutely.
But I wouldn't be at all bothered that the engine had been replaced.

Oh - and incidentally - the last Ferrari needed a top end rebuild due to snapped cam actuator a year before I sold it. I made it clear in the advert that it had needed a top end rebuild and why.
And you know what - it still sold pretty easily. Amazing eh?

Edited by davek_964 on Thursday 17th September 06:55

[Desert Dragon]

davek_964 said:

Desert Dragon said:

davek_964 said:

In the real world..... I've sold a couple of Ferrari's in the past that were ~20 years old and not a single person who viewed them asked - or appeared to care less - whether the engine number had changed.

There might indeed be a very small number of concourse people who care but I really don't think most will.

This place gets more bizarre every day. One minute McLaren's are the fastest depreciating thing you can waste your money on - the next, they're future classic investments that would be devalued by not having the original engine.
Unless the OP was planning to stick it in a dehumidified garage for 20+ years, I really can't see it matters. And even then, I don't think the 720 is a rare / special enough car that they would.

Edited by davek_964 on Wednesday 16th September 13:27

I wonder if you'd feel the same if you needed a replacement engine?

I assure you I really wouldn't care.

My car has had an entire respray in my ownership. I imagine that would upset the purists just a much. I'm happy that I have an immaculate car, thanks to McLaren.

Pretty sure I'd feel the same if they were handing me a new engine. Would I be annoyed that it needed one and was off the road for several weeks? Absolutely.
But I wouldn't be at all bothered that the engine had been replaced.

Oh - and incidentally - the last Ferrari needed a top end rebuild due to snapped cam actuator a year before I sold it. I made it clear in the advert that it had needed a top end rebuild and why.
And you know what - it still sold pretty easily. Amazing eh?

Edited by davek_964 on Thursday 17th September 06:55

Good to know but great majority of used cars buyers all regard a Mac as a special chase and want provenance perfect. I don't see the point you are making with you old Ferrari. Cars have top end rebuilds all the time. Its still matching numbers or am I missing your point?

[650spider]

Desert Dragon said:

davek_964 said:

Desert Dragon said:

davek_964 said:

In the real world..... I've sold a couple of Ferrari's in the past that were ~20 years old and not a single person who viewed them asked - or appeared to care less - whether the engine number had changed.

There might indeed be a very small number of concourse people who care but I really don't think most will.

This place gets more bizarre every day. One minute McLaren's are the fastest depreciating thing you can waste your money on - the next, they're future classic investments that would be devalued by not having the original engine.
Unless the OP was planning to stick it in a dehumidified garage for 20+ years, I really can't see it matters. And even then, I don't think the 720 is a rare / special enough car that they would.

Edited by davek_964 on Wednesday 16th September 13:27

I wonder if you'd feel the same if you needed a replacement engine?

I assure you I really wouldn't care.

My car has had an entire respray in my ownership. I imagine that would upset the purists just a much. I'm happy that I have an immaculate car, thanks to McLaren.

Pretty sure I'd feel the same if they were handing me a new engine. Would I be annoyed that it needed one and was off the road for several weeks? Absolutely.
But I wouldn't be at all bothered that the engine had been replaced.

Oh - and incidentally - the last Ferrari needed a top end rebuild due to snapped cam actuator a year before I sold it. I made it clear in the advert that it had needed a top end rebuild and why.
And you know what - it still sold pretty easily. Amazing eh?

Edited by davek_964 on Thursday 17th September 06:55

Good to know but great majority of used cars buyers all regard a Mac as a special chase and want provenance perfect. I don't see the point you are making with you old Ferrari. Cars have top end rebuilds all the time. Its still matching numbers or am I missing your point?

I am sure all the 991.1 GT3 owners somehow managed to suck it up when each and every one of those engines had to be replaced...some of them more than once.

I would be more than happy buying a mac with a brand new engine.

[Desert Dragon]

Or is t going to be a black is white day on the Mcl forum? Next someone will be telling us that a Mac with replacement engine is worth more!