765 v 675 just... wow

[Bispal]

Rocketreid said:

Quite a lot of misinformation flying around on this thread, fuelled I assume by 675LT preferers ( is that a word ).

The 765LT is a faster car in all areas in comparison to a 675LT, both on track and drag. Also a far better daily road car

Looks wise is personal of course and subjective.

It is however an improvement over the 675, in most areas as you would expect of a newer improved design.

A nice specced 675LT is still North of £200k whereas a 765LT is / was £280k and came as standard with a high spec.

I don't think you're aiming that at me but I will put my cards on the table anyway and say I for one prefer the aesthetics of the 675LT to the 765LT and the interior of the 675LT even more so. To me that's worth a bit of performance and £100k saved. However the 720s is my 2nd favourite McLaren after the 675LT. I could say I would like to try a 765LT but the 675LT is fast enough for me and handles way beyond my ability, even my Mk 1 MX5 is beyond my ability though

Ps preferers is a word, I agree an odd one though....

[Streetbeat]

AndrewD said:

WCZ said:

the 765 is really expensive, that's the only problem

if they were the same price it'd be a no brainer

Exactly- £350k+ in a 765? No thanks I don’t like setting fire to my hard earned.

Its not just about being able to afford it though is it, its wanting to afford it.

If i had a £350k budget to spend on a Mclaren, there isnt a chance in hell i would buy a 675 and think its great ive saved £100k plus, i would buy the 765, no question, because thats the money i had to spend.

People want the best despite the cost and relative value in comparison to other models and that works across every make of car.

Owners on here seem very happy to jump from 570s to 600lt @50% increase in cost for fractional performace gains, i appreciate its a ltd number cat etc but still the same catergory as your theory.

Edited by Streetbeat on Tuesday 14th December 13:19

[12pack]

Streetbeat said:

Its not just about being able to afford it though is it, its wanting to afford it.

If i had a £350k budget to spend on a Mclaren, there isnt a chance in hell i would buy a 675 and think its great ive saved £100k plus, i would buy the 765, no question, because thats the money i had to spend.

People want the best despite the cost and relative value in comparison to other models and that works across every make of car.

Owners on here seem very happy to jump from 570s to 600lt @50% increase in cost for fractional performace gains, i appreciate its a ltd number cat etc but still the same catergory as your theory.

Edited by Streetbeat on Tuesday 14th December 13:19

We are all looking for different things, I suppose. When I added the 650, I was enamored by the relatively lightweight carbon fiber design, the steering feel, the seating position, the drop down rear window. It added to a garage that had a manual V12 ruffian. The 765 doesn’t change that. I don’t need a car faster in a straight line - I already have one. I don’t need a more visceral track car - I already have one. Perhaps if for some reason I had to consolidate to just one car…

[Streetbeat]

12pack said:

We are all looking for different things, I suppose. Perhaps if for some reason I had to consolidate to just one car…

Good call, if 350k bought you one car or a selection, never thought of it like that.

I struggle to use my 570s as much as i would like anyway, let alone another one or two, although i am sure its nice to have a choice. So, 350k in my pocket to buy a car or choice of cars, personally the 765 would cover every base for me.

I wonder how many they have sold?

[ghost83]

Love them both tbf

[Rocketreid]

[quote=Bispal]

I don't think you're aiming that at me but I will put my cards on the table anyway and say I for one prefer the aesthetics of the 675LT to the 765LT and the interior of the 675LT even more so. To me that's worth a bit of performance and £100k saved. However the 720s is my 2nd favourite McLaren after the 675LT. I could say I would like to try a 765LT but the 675LT is fast enough for me and handles way beyond my ability, even my Mk 1 MX5 is beyond my ability though

Ps preferers is a word, I agree an odd one though....


Quite right !!

I have no horse in the race but from my experience of driving both the 765LT is just a bit more than a 675LT, as you would reasonably expect

[anonymous-user]

When will manufacturers realise outright speed and performance are no longer the driving factor for fun road cars.
A 675LT already has too much power for safe road use so IMHO a 765 must be almost undriveable and certainly no fun due to its immense capabilities.

Personally I've always found the 720/765 challenging in the looks dept unlike the cohesive design of the 675.
Appreciate the aero and engineering of the 765 but not the looks which are clearly function over form

[WCZ]

Curledge said:

When will manufacturers realise outright speed and performance are no longer the driving factor for fun road cars.

they won't because it wouldn't sell, people still want their new car to be faster than their old one, as silly as that is.

[Streetbeat]

Curledge said:

When will manufacturers realise outright speed and performance are no longer the driving factor for fun road cars.

I am not sure Mclaren, Porsche, Lamborghini, Ferarri etc etc would exist if that was what people wanted, i cant believe anyone would prefer to own an Mx5 or GT86 for example over anything from the above offerings because they are fun road cars.

To be honest the roads are so sh*t these days even driving one of them in a fun fashion would be a challenge, at least in anything from the above mentioned means i would be able to get an overtake done quickly and hopefully onto a clear mile or three before the next log jam, whether i can exploit the power in between or not.

[Wheelspinning]

Streetbeat said:

Its not just about being able to afford it though is it, its wanting to afford it.

If i had a £350k budget to spend on a Mclaren, there isnt a chance in hell i would buy a 675 and think its great ive saved £100k plus, i would buy the 765, no question, because thats the money i had to spend.

People want the best despite the cost and relative value in comparison to other models and that works across every make of car.

Owners on here seem very happy to jump from 570s to 600lt @50% increase in cost for fractional performace gains, i appreciate its a ltd number cat etc but still the same catergory as your theory.

Edited by Streetbeat on Tuesday 14th December 13:19

Its not always the case.

I declined a 765 spider slot as the 675 does everything I could possibly want, and I have no desire to spend another x amount for a bit more pace.

It doesn't seem as though there is a big appetite for them at £360k plus as the advertised ones are not selling.

For me, its the P1 front end and rest of the perfect looks, but also the simplicity of the interior and that perfect binnacle.

Every 650 owner shall relate to that.

[Streetbeat]

Wheelspinning said:

Its not always the case.

I declined a 765 spider slot as the 675 does everything I could possibly want, and I have no desire to spend another x amount for a bit more pace.

It doesn't seem as though there is a big appetite for them at £360k plus as the advertised ones are not selling.

For me, its the P1 front end and rest of the perfect looks, but also the simplicity of the interior and that perfect binnacle.

Every 650 owner shall relate to that.

A bit more pace, its far more than that in my eyes, but i suppose you could describe every model like that from the 540c up, horses for courses.

[anonymous-user]

I know a 675LT spider is 5 years old now but if I had the money I'm sure I would feel a lot more comfortable sinking £200k in one than £400k in a 765 LT.
Law of diminishing returns means its not twice as good as a car thats already incredible.

The race for the latest and greatest is coming to an end now and with hybrid and electrification being forced upon us choosing one of the dying breed of cars we enjoy currently is my focus in the next 2 years with hopefully a £300k budget available to me by then.

Be just my luck to see these in demand cars like 675LT soar beyond my budget by then

[Bispal]

Streetbeat said:

Curledge said:

When will manufacturers realise outright speed and performance are no longer the driving factor for fun road cars.

I am not sure Mclaren, Porsche, Lamborghini, Ferarri etc etc would exist if that was what people wanted, i cant believe anyone would prefer to own an Mx5 or GT86 for example over anything from the above offerings because they are fun road cars.

To be honest the roads are so sh*t these days even driving one of them in a fun fashion would be a challenge, at least in anything from the above mentioned means i would be able to get an overtake done quickly and hopefully onto a clear mile or three before the next log jam, whether i can exploit the power in between or not.

I own a 675LT and utterly adore it, I also cherish my MK1 MX5 it is enchanting and totally exploitable and almost worthless (in comparison). Supercars give you a thrill, an injection of adrenalin, 'fun' is different to a 'thrill'. Fun is riding a bicycle downhill, a thrill is a roller coaster. People are confusing the two. Supercars are bought to thrill and not for fun, that's what an MX5 or similar does.

If I want to pop to the shops or the gym and want a bit of 'fun' on the way I will take the MX5. If I want a shot of adrenaline at 5.30 am on a Sunday morning I will take the 675LT. There are plenty of opportunities to enjoy supercars, even on todays crowded roads, you have to be dedicated and up at dawn or be willing to drive somewhere remote. Get up at 5.30am on a summer weekend and you will see them, supercars. superbikes, sportscars are everywhere enjoying the open roads. They are not pop to the shops for fun cars.

Supercars are are full on, scary, exhilarating, nerve tingling rollercoasters. They can be so intoxicating and overwhelming they can actually take your breath away. That's why petrol heads buy them and not for a bit of fun. Don't confuse the two.

[12pack]

Streetbeat said:

A bit more pace, its far more than that in my eyes, but i suppose you could describe every model like that from the 540c up, horses for courses.

Its a bit more.

765 to Model S Plaid - now that's significantly more (just in a straight line - of course)

Edited by 12pack on Thursday 16th December 10:42

[12pack]

Wheelspinning said:

Its not always the case.

I declined a 765 spider slot as the 675 does everything I could possibly want, and I have no desire to spend another x amount for a bit more pace.

It doesn't seem as though there is a big appetite for them at £360k plus as the advertised ones are not selling.

For me, its the P1 front end and rest of the perfect looks, but also the simplicity of the interior and that perfect binnacle.

Every 650 owner shall relate to that.

[Streetbeat]

Bispal said:

I own a 675LT and utterly adore it, I also cherish my MK1 MX5 it is enchanting and totally exploitable and almost worthless (in comparison). Supercars give you a thrill, an injection of adrenalin, 'fun' is different to a 'thrill'. Fun is riding a bicycle downhill, a thrill is a roller coaster. People are confusing the two. Supercars are bought to thrill and not for fun, that's what an MX5 or similar does.

If I want to pop to the shops or the gym and want a bit of 'fun' on the way I will take the MX5. If I want a shot of adrenaline at 5.30 am on a Sunday morning I will take the 675LT. There are plenty of opportunities to enjoy supercars, even on todays crowded roads, you have to be dedicated and up at dawn or be willing to drive somewhere remote. Get up at 5.30am on a summer weekend and you will see them, supercars. superbikes, sportscars are everywhere enjoying the open roads. They are not pop to the shops for fun cars.

Supercars are are full on, scary, exhilarating, nerve tingling rollercoasters. They can be so intoxicating and overwhelming they can actually take your breath away. That's why petrol heads buy them and not for a bit of fun. Don't confuse the two.

You cannoy qauntify what one mans fun/thrill is, ive had the na lightweight rwd cars in the past (mx5 mk1/vx220) and i find my Mclaren way more fun and if i want to exploit my cars performance to the best of my abilities, i go on trackdays, jobs a peach as Guy Martin would say. Each to their own though.

[Streetbeat]

Curledge said:

than £400k in a 765 LT.

Law of diminishing returns means its not twice as good as a car thats already incredible.

The price is going up, a 765 is £280,000, lets not keep uping the price to justify claims of twice as good, is it 80k better is more accurate.

[anonymous-user]

Streetbeat said:

The price is going up, a 765 is £280,000, lets not keep uping the price to justify claims of twice as good, is it 80k better is more accurate.

Base price maybe but cheapest advertised car is £360k for a coupe. No one orders a base car

A decent spec 765LT spider will be £400k+ as per one of my mates

[GlynnsportRacing]

Streetbeat said:

The price is going up, a 765 is £280,000, lets not keep uping the price to justify claims of twice as good, is it 80k better is more accurate.

280k is the base price of a 765. Doubt anyone would buy with a base spec. From what I gather, and this is supposition, the average spec of a coupe at RRP was around 330K so Spider probably around the 350K+ RRP mark. Currently those in the used market are asking for overs (being the newest version) whereas the 675LT are now well below their original RRP - in fact a complete bargain imo, which means that the gap in price between the two is roughly 150K, give or take.

The original concept & design & complete overhaul of components used for the development of the 675LT will never be repeated to same extent with LT models that follow. That's not to say that the 765 or 600 for that matter aren't great cars, they absolutely are but the step up from the model upon which they were based is imv a smaller step & ultimately there can be only one original, first full production LT model. At the end the of the day, McLaren simply make amazing cars & whether your budget or taste is the entry level 540C or the Speedtail or Elva at the other end of the price spectrum, you'll nevertheless enjoy an incredible car.

[Rocketreid]

GlynnsportRacing said:

280k is the base price of a 765. Doubt anyone would buy with a base spec. From what I gather, and this is supposition, the average spec of a coupe at RRP was around 330K so Spider probably around the 350K+ RRP mark. Currently those in the used market are asking for overs (being the newest version) whereas the 675LT are now well below their original RRP - in fact a complete bargain imo, which means that the gap in price between the two is roughly 150K, give or take.

The original concept & design & complete overhaul of components used for the development of the 675LT will never be repeated to same extent with LT models that follow. That's not to say that the 765 or 600 for that matter aren't great cars, they absolutely are but the step up from the model upon which they were based is imv a smaller step & ultimately there can be only one original, first full production LT model. At the end the of the day, McLaren simply make amazing cars & whether your budget or taste is the entry level 540C or the Speedtail or Elva at the other end of the price spectrum, you'll nevertheless enjoy an incredible car.

Actually the orange 765LT used recently on YouTube was base and the guy who owned it preferred it that way as he intended to track it.

No doubt the 675LT polarises opinion and for me the 720s was a huge advance over the 650/675. Better engine etc :

The 765LT advances all that further and from driving both the 765 felt like a car that was from a newer era.

If you want a car that comprehensively defeats a 675 in every department then the 765 is that car. However it shouldn’t detract from the 675 as it was a well built and sorted car albeit from an older design concept and for many folks that’s enough but not for everyone