Discussion
My understanding is none of the Mclarens produced have a locking differential , but use F1 learned brake vectoring to replicate the effects of a locking differential. It increases wear on components but reduces weight significantly. Even the P1 has an open differential.
Not sure why this is an issue?
Not sure why this is an issue?
MeisterH said:
765LT.... More power doesn't make it a better car, under tyre'd, no locking rear diff.. good luck on a track day with anything other than bone-dry conditions !
That should make it more fun though and if you want more grip a set of Cup 2 R or P4S should fix. I agree they should add a mechanical diff to a track model like that. I love it personally if maybe a bit too OTT tuner looks. 720s the better looking car and may well be the better buy 
Having just read Autocars opinion of the 765 it would seem it is being universally acclaimed as a fantastic drivers car. The exception to this opinion seems Top Gear!
In any event An amazing car which will further the distance between Ferrari and Lambo until we see the Electric Hybrids.
In any event An amazing car which will further the distance between Ferrari and Lambo until we see the Electric Hybrids.
luigisayshello said:
SSO said:
Not sure I would agree with you. Per discussions I have had with them recently, McLaren is certainly aware of the residual issue and quite concerned with it as it will impact volumes longer term. Not sure they have a solution for it but they certainly now it is a major issue for the majority of buyers.
Mclaren can't help residuals without more and better dealers in more countries. Right now Mclaren is dependent on UK,US (main cities) and the European Central Block, so the cars are being mostly dumped here in these 2 conglomerates because these are quite literally the only places where there are conditions to own one (support wise). You lived in Portugal, small country, not too rich, but plenty of understated exotic car owners and clients, we have/had around 40 Maccas, 0 support or specialists, imported for pure passion, that have to be sent to BARCELONA, not even bloody Madrid, or England for service, if you only had 400k to spend on a car and lived here would you get a Macca or a Ferrari with the great Lisbon Ferrari Dealer? Or a Porsche where you can service it anywhere? These cars after being brought here won't leave because the taxes paid will just make them too expensive to export anywhere.
Like us there are dozens of medium small markets that just by being supported will absorb a lot of the excess from the main countries.
And if Mclaren figures out how to make the next platform more solid in terms of build quality (better plastics would be a great starting point) and have less annoying issues the residuals will improve as will the reputation.
The last iteration of the 720s and the constant improvement of the parts that have been failing to me are a great signal that Mclaren is caring about making their cars better. There are problems that they could just drag out of warranty just by changing the bits for new bafly designed ones, but they are iterating and trying to improve.
Another part if they don't want to expand at this time, is to just be a bit less of a pain in the arse like they where in getting tools, diagnostics, manuals, for mclarens, for a while it seemed they were guarding nuclear bomb designs and codes, any guy trying to venture into Mclaren maintenance would just be minimized and ignored regardless of economic prowness, interest or talent.
If parts and tools are a bit more available they can get more support, still make money and again, drain the mass produced cars from the main markets into the smaller markets that will be more available to soak it as the service support is there.
I take it the Lisbon Ferrari dealer hasn't gotten any better........
MeisterH said:
765LT.... More power doesn't make it a better car, under tyre'd, no locking rear diff.. good luck on a track day with anything other than bone-dry conditions !
There is a much easier fix, have the car aligned to similar values of the 720s, done, if 720s was a peach, 765lt won't be far. There are 800-900hp 720s being tracked, trofeo r, a bit more toe in and camber esc off or quite loose dynamic mode, no spooky handling as reported. Sometimes, even people/journos that know this front to back, seem to forget that how driving characteristics are not set forever and can be changed with a few hundred quid.
I think some Pistonheaders (and Journos) forget we are talking about light, mid engined, RWD cars with 700-800hp.
It takes someone with more skill than Chris Harris to power-slide such a car for a long distance with all the nannies off.
None of us can do that. But then, I didn't used to try power-sliding my Elise or Exige either (other than on an airfield, and mostly failing).
Treat it with respect and it will thrill. Abuse it, and it will throw you into a ditch. Just as you would expect.
It takes someone with more skill than Chris Harris to power-slide such a car for a long distance with all the nannies off.
None of us can do that. But then, I didn't used to try power-sliding my Elise or Exige either (other than on an airfield, and mostly failing).
Treat it with respect and it will thrill. Abuse it, and it will throw you into a ditch. Just as you would expect.
LotusJas said:
None of us can do that. But then, I didn't used to try power-sliding my Elise or Exige either (other than on an airfield, and mostly failing).
Treat it with respect and it will thrill. Abuse it, and it will throw you into a ditch. Just as you would expect.
Other than an airfield, I cant think of another area I would try and power slide anything with this much power. Treat it with respect and it will thrill. Abuse it, and it will throw you into a ditch. Just as you would expect.
Very well said on treating it with respect.
LotusJas said:
I think some Pistonheaders (and Journos) forget we are talking about light, mid engined, RWD cars with 700-800hp.
It takes someone with more skill than Chris Harris to power-slide such a car for a long distance with all the nannies off.
None of us can do that. But then, I didn't used to try power-sliding my Elise or Exige either (other than on an airfield, and mostly failing).
Treat it with respect and it will thrill. Abuse it, and it will throw you into a ditch. Just as you would expect.
And even if I could power slide around at high speed on track, I don’t think I would be allowed to stay on any normal TD for long ....It takes someone with more skill than Chris Harris to power-slide such a car for a long distance with all the nannies off.
None of us can do that. But then, I didn't used to try power-sliding my Elise or Exige either (other than on an airfield, and mostly failing).
Treat it with respect and it will thrill. Abuse it, and it will throw you into a ditch. Just as you would expect.
WilliamWaiver said:
Shmee isn't replacing his 675LT spider or Senna with one. He is buying a merc GTR black series as it fits better in his own garage of cars.
Says 675LT spider is better on the road and Senna better on the track than the 765LT
Oh that Shmee...the ex F1 driver, and now Global Vehicle Testing Consultant. Sorry I confused him with that irritating bloke on You Tube..Says 675LT spider is better on the road and Senna better on the track than the 765LT
TP321 said:
Oh that Shmee...the ex F1 driver, and now Global Vehicle Testing Consultant. Sorry I confused him with that irritating bloke on You Tube..
Normal car enthusiast like you and me I'm guessing unless you are Lewis Hamilton in disguise ?Has a lot of experience with supercars and whilst he might not be world class driver I would hazard a guess with his ring experience he could show us both a clean pair of heels.
I rather have a real world opinion from him than a paid journo who talks about heel and toe and drifting etc like when does that happen on a public road
WilliamWaiver said:
Normal car enthusiast like you and me I'm guessing unless you are Lewis Hamilton in disguise ?
Has a lot of experience with supercars and whilst he might not be world class driver I would hazard a guess with his ring experience he could show us both a clean pair of heels.
I rather have a real world opinion from him than a paid journo who talks about heel and toe and drifting etc like when does that happen on a public road
You only quoted him because he said something favourable about the 675LT....lolHas a lot of experience with supercars and whilst he might not be world class driver I would hazard a guess with his ring experience he could show us both a clean pair of heels.
I rather have a real world opinion from him than a paid journo who talks about heel and toe and drifting etc like when does that happen on a public road
Going On results from Silverstone today I think a 765LT May well be as fast as a Senna on many tracks.
The Senna does seem to lack the top speed and torque of a 720s, probably due to its increased downforce/gearing etc.
If the 765 LT is faster on the straights than a 720s ( which it may not be ) it will certainly be quicker through the twisty stuff and could well embarrass a Senna at less than half the price.
In my opinion it seems a bargain in comparison
The Senna does seem to lack the top speed and torque of a 720s, probably due to its increased downforce/gearing etc.
If the 765 LT is faster on the straights than a 720s ( which it may not be ) it will certainly be quicker through the twisty stuff and could well embarrass a Senna at less than half the price.
In my opinion it seems a bargain in comparison
WilliamWaiver said:
TP321 said:
Oh that Shmee...the ex F1 driver, and now Global Vehicle Testing Consultant. Sorry I confused him with that irritating bloke on You Tube..
Normal car enthusiast like you and me I'm guessing unless you are Lewis Hamilton in disguise ?Has a lot of experience with supercars and whilst he might not be world class driver I would hazard a guess with his ring experience he could show us both a clean pair of heels.
I rather have a real world opinion from him than a paid journo who talks about heel and toe and drifting etc like when does that happen on a public road
This doesn’t mean the 765LT is a bad car.
The chap likes to drive his cars and I’d agree with him if I was in his shoes.
Rocketreid said:
Going On results from Silverstone today I think a 765LT May well be as fast as a Senna on many tracks.
The Senna does seem to lack the top speed and torque of a 720s, probably due to its increased downforce/gearing etc.
If the 765 LT is faster on the straights than a 720s ( which it may not be ) it will certainly be quicker through the twisty stuff and could well embarrass a Senna at less than half the price.
In my opinion it seems a bargain in comparison
Yes definitely a bargain compared to Senna, even more if you spec with same brakes.The Senna does seem to lack the top speed and torque of a 720s, probably due to its increased downforce/gearing etc.
If the 765 LT is faster on the straights than a 720s ( which it may not be ) it will certainly be quicker through the twisty stuff and could well embarrass a Senna at less than half the price.
In my opinion it seems a bargain in comparison
SSO said:
Im really surprised that there isn't a McLaren dealer in Lisbon. Think it is a missed opportunity for them. Portugal's got a great supercar community that should easily be able to justify and support a dealership. In fact McLaren has done a number of launch events in Portugal.
I take it the Lisbon Ferrari dealer hasn't gotten any better........
Why would you think there's a great supercar community in Portugal? Its near non existent. I take it the Lisbon Ferrari dealer hasn't gotten any better........
McLaren has done a bunch of launch events in Portugal for a few reasons, none of them to do with locals buying them
Its a brilliant place to test cars on the road - near immunity from the police, lovely roads if you know where to look and perhaps most importantly its a great place to take journalists on that all expenses trip. Then see if they turn in a positive review and get to come on the next trip or not....
Cars are ridiculously priced here. Theres only 14 Lamborghinis in total on our Autotrader:
https://www.standvirtual.com/carros/lamborghini/?s...
Combine that with average wages and the result is predictable... to say we have a great supercar community here is laughable really. It sounds like you maybe came here on holiday in summer and seen 4 or 5 Aventadors in Vilamoura marina or cascais in September, its not like that at all outside of 1 or 2 streets in tourist times.
What sort of supercar community can you expect when a 1 year old high mileage Huracan costs 325k euros - https://www.standvirtual.com/carros/lamborghini/?s... yet wages are a fraction of UK levels. My vet here earns less than my little brother earns working delivering furniture in UK...
Sorry but as much as I'd love you to be right, you're just not
Algarve said:
Why would you think there's a great supercar community in Portugal? Its near non existent.
McLaren has done a bunch of launch events in Portugal for a few reasons, none of them to do with locals buying them
Its a brilliant place to test cars on the road - near immunity from the police, lovely roads if you know where to look and perhaps most importantly its a great place to take journalists on that all expenses trip. Then see if they turn in a positive review and get to come on the next trip or not....
Cars are ridiculously priced here. Theres only 14 Lamborghinis in total on our Autotrader:
https://www.standvirtual.com/carros/lamborghini/?s...
Combine that with average wages and the result is predictable... to say we have a great supercar community here is laughable really. It sounds like you maybe came here on holiday in summer and seen 4 or 5 Aventadors in Vilamoura marina or cascais in September, its not like that at all outside of 1 or 2 streets in tourist times.
What sort of supercar community can you expect when a 1 year old high mileage Huracan costs 325k euros - https://www.standvirtual.com/carros/lamborghini/?s... yet wages are a fraction of UK levels. My vet here earns less than my little brother earns working delivering furniture in UK...
Sorry but as much as I'd love you to be right, you're just not
My experience in Portugal was quite different. I lived just outside of Lisbon for several years and knew quite a few other supercar owners. We used to get together on a regular basis and go out for drives. I do agree that supercars prices in Portugal are exceedingly high. As a result a lot of the cars used to be on foreign plates (mainly Spanish).McLaren has done a bunch of launch events in Portugal for a few reasons, none of them to do with locals buying them
Its a brilliant place to test cars on the road - near immunity from the police, lovely roads if you know where to look and perhaps most importantly its a great place to take journalists on that all expenses trip. Then see if they turn in a positive review and get to come on the next trip or not....
Cars are ridiculously priced here. Theres only 14 Lamborghinis in total on our Autotrader:
https://www.standvirtual.com/carros/lamborghini/?s...
Combine that with average wages and the result is predictable... to say we have a great supercar community here is laughable really. It sounds like you maybe came here on holiday in summer and seen 4 or 5 Aventadors in Vilamoura marina or cascais in September, its not like that at all outside of 1 or 2 streets in tourist times.
What sort of supercar community can you expect when a 1 year old high mileage Huracan costs 325k euros - https://www.standvirtual.com/carros/lamborghini/?s... yet wages are a fraction of UK levels. My vet here earns less than my little brother earns working delivering furniture in UK...
Sorry but as much as I'd love you to be right, you're just not
SSO said:
My experience in Portugal was quite different. I lived just outside of Lisbon for several years and knew quite a few other supercar owners. We used to get together on a regular basis and go out for drives. I do agree that supercars prices in Portugal are exceedingly high. As a result a lot of the cars used to be on foreign plates (mainly Spanish).
I don't think a single digit number of rich expats fraudulently driving Spanish plated cars makes for a 'supercar community'....I know a few supercar owners too but hardly any of them live here all year round and I don't think any of them have Portuguese registered cars.
Theres a bigger supercar scene in Glasgow or Hull.
Gassing Station | McLaren | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff