The 600LT Seems To Have Fell Off The Radar

[Juno]

Unless I'm living in a dark room the 600LT seems to have fallen of the radar,I see or hear very little about it. There are 6 for sale all with delivery miles and the don't appear to be moving at the moment.Does anyone on here actually own and drive one and can they give us the real life experience about the car?

[Juno]

Purple Man said:

There where two 600LT's going round Oulton Park today and only one GT3.

Was the GT3 going round the 600LT's

[Juno]

cormeist said:

I know of 2 owners that paid 10k deposit, spec'd their cars to £250k approx, cars got delivered and the depositors cant be contacted for love or money! completely gone off the face of the earth leaving the dealers sat on their deposits and having no option but to try and sell on the cars!

Times are changing for a few or these brands, the speculators are drifting away, time will tell but i keep hearing the same old

Edited by cormeist on Tuesday 26th February 18:21

I guess that they worked out a 10k loss is better that a 50k loss

When you compare 250k for 600LT against £150k even paying overs for the PORSCHE GT3 then the 250k is complete madness in comparison to the GT3

Edited by Juno on Tuesday 26th February 21:51

[Juno]

Matty3 said:

Juno said:

I guess that they worked out a 10k loss is better that a 50k loss

When you compare 250k for 600LT against £150k even paying overs for the PORSCHE GT3 then the 250k is complete madness in comparison to the GT3

Edited by Juno on Tuesday 26th February 21:51

Why are you attracted on here Juno? - you obviously have GT3 regrets?? - and who could blame you

No Matty you couldn’t be more wrong! I’ve been on here for years and have a great interest in all cars. I’ve probably owned and driven a more eclectic collection of cars than most and still do. I have always had a deep interest in Mclaren back to the days of the MP412C,I very nearly bought one a few years back.

I currently like both the 720 and 600LT but now being retired I treat my car buying fund carefully as it will only diminish and not grow.

So as much as I would like to tick one of the boxes at the moment I consider it to be financial
suicide as is proven by the complete mess that is the Mclaren used car market.

So for now I’m watching and would say unless money means absolutely nothing to you I just can’t see people will keep on taking the baths that buying a new or nearly new Mclaren hands out!

Your comment about the GT3 being a poor choice that I regret is simply absurd and without foundation.

Edited by Juno on Wednesday 27th February 07:26

[Juno]

WCZ said:

£250k is pretty steep, could pretty much buy a used 570s and a used 720s for that

That’s a pretty good point you make there!!!

2 for the price of one.

[Juno]

theRossatron said:

I have one, love it. Easily the most capable and exciting car I've ever had or been in.

Looks-wise, I think it's fantastic but I guess that's subjective.

I’m with you I think they look great and I am sure they drive epically,that’s not where the problem lies for me!

When the time is right it will be a box to tick!

[Juno]

Matty3 said:

Juno said:

Matty3 said:

Juno said:

I guess that they worked out a 10k loss is better that a 50k loss

When you compare 250k for 600LT against £150k even paying overs for the PORSCHE GT3 then the 250k is complete madness in comparison to the GT3

Edited by Juno on Tuesday 26th February 21:51

Why are you attracted on here Juno? - you obviously have GT3 regrets?? - and who could blame you

No Matty you couldn’t be more wrong! I’ve been on here for years and have a great interest in all cars. I’ve probably owned and driven a more eclectic collection of cars than most and still do. I have always had a deep interest in Mclaren back to the days of the MP412C,I very nearly bought one a few years back.

I currently like both the 720 and 600LT but now being retired I treat my car buying fund carefully as it will only diminish and not grow.

So as much as I would like to tick one of the boxes at the moment I consider it to be financial
suicide as is proven by the complete mess that is the Mclaren used car market.

So for now I’m watching and would say unless money means absolutely nothing to you I just can’t see people will keep on taking the baths that buying a new or nearly new Mclaren hands out!

Your comment about the GT3 being a poor choice that I regret is simply absurd and without foundation.

Edited by Juno on Wednesday 27th February 07:26

Sorry read your posts on here re:McL - you appear obsessed with depreciation - you cannot appreciate these cars if that is a precurser

Money means everything to me but enjoying it means rather more hence I've bought a new one

My GT3 comment stands - wouldn't entertain one thanks or any Porsche

Im obsessed with depreciation,yep well spotted that’s because I’m not a reckless idiot, now have a look at how many other people are concerned about depreciation,I think you will find there are a lot more than just me. Go to a car meet and youv will find the same,many people who would don’t buy a Mac because of the INSANE depreciation.

Check the many other threads about ownership,depreciation,reliability,dealer support etc,there are many and not all started by me!!!

Well done for having a mindset where your happy to lose £60k for a few thousand miles of fun,I have plenty of fun without sustaining such rediculous losses!!!

[Juno]

isaldiri said:

Then stop looking at Mclaren. You have been very clear about what the priority of a car is to you - lack of depreciation/appreciation above anything else and fair enough, your money, your choice. Just enjoy your gt3 without needing to constantly take a pop at any of the Mclarens for losing money when other people are prepared to put up with that aspect of ownership.

I’ll keep looking thanks and I’ll comment as I feel
fit. As I have said I do want to own one hence looking and commenting. However Mclaren need to learn how to build a sustainable market,this in my opinion is unsustainable.

It’s funny this forum,I’ve been a member for 16 years but as soon as you say something negative you get told to get the hell out of here!

I always congratulate those who do buy,I do not knock them but surely I can have my opinions as well!

The Porsche forum is also littered with topics about values, it’s a forum,that’s what happens on forums!

[Juno]

ferdi p said:

Then go enjoy your Porsche & stop the ranting.

There's also many threads on 911's saying;
991 GT3 engines blow up.
It's a sportscar not a supercar.
It's a 911 with a body kit.
Only decent on track, crap on road.
Don't buy one without lift.

You see some people will put up with the above to suffer no depreciation. That's all good with me however I won't be on the Porsche forum banging on about it.

You can always tell when you have hit a nerve,I see no ranting in my posts but the responder has resorted to referring to a hugely capable highly developed car with DNA from one of the most sicsessful one make race series in the World as a car with a body kit

And he’s simply not getting the point,at some point I want a Mclaren alongside my Porsche and other cars,I’m not knocking the car,I’m concerned about McLarens current position and how there cars trade in the market place.

It’s not just residual values either,if you want to sell the car at some point in many cases Mclaren dealers will simply not buy them back unless you are part exchanging,that’s rediculous and wrong when they won’t even support there own brand.

These are facts and if you are buying with eyes wide open then great,good luck any enjoy but surely I am allowed my alternative view until such times the tide changes.

[Juno]

isaldiri said:

Juno said:

I’ll keep looking thanks and I’ll comment as I feel
fit. As I have said I do want to own one hence looking and commenting. However Mclaren need to learn how to build a sustainable market,this in my opinion is unsustainable.

It’s funny this forum,I’ve been a member for 16 years but as soon as you say something negative you get told to get the hell out of here!

I always congratulate those who do buy,I do not knock them but surely I can have my opinions as well!

You're not told to get out if you post a couple of times about the issue as obviously it is there and it is real. Every single mclaren related post of yours which you make regularly is about depreciation. Don't you see why that might be tiresome?

Make your point and move on. You can feel smugly satisfied in buying a car that appears not to depreciate for the moment, let others enjoy their cars that do without going on about it on and on...and on as a courtesy perhaps?

OK point taken enough said for now,let’s see how it pans out and when the time is right to jump in!

[Juno]

The Surveyor said:

Juno said:

……...
And he’s simply not getting the point, at some point I want a Mclaren alongside my Porsche and other cars,.......
…..

Eh? If you actually wanted to buy a McLaren, surly the ability to buy a nearly new £200k supercar for a little over £100k should be a very welcome breath of fresh air, compared to the Porsche world where you have to pay over £200k for a sports car which retailed for a little over £100k

Buy it, drive it, enjoy it

I think 570’s are a bargain at near £100k and may well have jumped if the 600LT had not been released. The launch of the 600 makes you pause and think,ah I’ll wait a little longer,its the 600 I want now!

The latest and greatest model always manages to pull on the heart strings.

I may still take a poke at a 570 soon despite the existence of the 600,1/2 the price for the standard car versus the 600 does seem somewhat of a bargain.

Edited by Juno on Friday 1st March 05:35

[Juno]

The Surveyor said:

Juno said:

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I may still take a poke at a 570 soon despite the existence of the 600,1/2 the price for the standard car versus the 600 does seem somewhat of a bargain.

Seriously and parking the banter, give one a go. There will always be newer versions, updates, and alternatives from other manufacturers, but I've never regretted buying my fabulous 570s.

Easy Tiger

[Juno]

993rsr said:

MDL111 said:

My view always is buy a car you are happy with, there always will be new models - doesn't make my car worse as a result. Just because there are a ton of new Ferraris, I still would not want to suddenly "upgrade" my Scuderia. Don't even know if I would want to trade it straight up for a new model.

All this depreciation talk is kinda pointless if you like what you own - just keep the car and it is a non-issue. I like depreciation because it makes my entry point lower, so I can afford to buy more cars….

Another one tempted here, for me the 675LT at £199k with Simon Furlonger looks a good buy?

That’s starting to look really interesting!

The question would be is the 675 a better car than the 720,I do like the shape of the 675 coupe particularly with the roof scoop.

[Juno]

MDL111 said:

My view always is buy a car you are happy with, there always will be new models - doesn't make my car worse as a result. Just because there are a ton of new Ferraris, I still would not want to suddenly "upgrade" my Scuderia. Don't even know if I would want to trade it straight up for a new model.

All this depreciation talk is kinda pointless if you like what you own - just keep the car and it is a non-issue. I like depreciation because it makes my entry point lower, so I can afford to buy more cars….

The Scuderia is an epic piece of kit and just goes to show newer is not always more involving.

[Juno]

firstpower said:

HI I have got my eye on a 18 plate 720s in pearl white 1000 miles with a lots of extras seen the new car invoice cost £298.500 that would be 100.000 less, even with that I a nervous were they will be say in 18 months with the spyder then being in full flow would any one want a coupe ?

I'll think you will find the consensus is just drive it like you stole it at to hell with the rest

Edited by Juno on Sunday 3rd March 20:56

[Juno]

Ingenere said:

The Surveyor said:

You're confusing the suppressed market in the UK, with the global position. McLaren sales have grown 44% since last year and their biggest market is in the US.

Over here it is quite different. McLaren is really securing itself as a brand, and is well known by car and non-car people. I can't take the 570 out without being bombarded by cell phone cameras, curiosity and kids wanting to sit in it.

I realize the depreciation issue is real, but if one buys slightly used (because Macs have a tendency to attract the 'latest/greatest crowd).... Good buys can be had. Additionally, if one keeps their cars for more than a blink of an eye, depreciation is not that big a factor.

By finding a 570S w/~1K miles from a guy that was just waiting for a 720 to arrive, I saved almost 30%. I am fine with that. The car is spec'd exactly as I would have done it. The 570 is so good that I don't see it leaving for anything but a 600 or 720, but honestly, I don't see a point right now.

Back in '03 I bought an SL55. Amazing car. I still have it and since it has depreciated 85%, there is no point in selling it.

My Challenge Stradale has been a winner. It has appreciated 2.5X what I paid for it.

I have never got the 911 thing that makes people almost religious. I have had 2 and they were nice. They just weren't special to me. I did make money on both when I sold, which was a plus.

Depreciation doesn't hurt, unless you sell.

That is a nice pair,I remember buying an F430 at £90k in 2008 in favour of a Stradale that was £82k at the time Lol

[Juno]

Looks like there’s one at Romans below list with the nicer comfy seats.

[Juno]

justin220 said:

I've got a 540C, with a standard exhaust. I wouldn't say it sounds brilliant but I actually quite like it.

I've came from some great sounding cars V8 Vantages, Gallardo, TVR T350 (best of the lot IMO) and would just say they all sound different.

I'm tempted to go down a sports/MSO route, but I also like the quieter sound at times. I use mine daily so wouldn't want it too loud.

Seen Through Glass had a Larini put on his 540C, and it sounded brilliant. Have a listen to this -

https://youtu.be/QBvxvG4uRLk

That’s how they should sound!!!

[Juno]

Seems all tvexearly used ones are still for sale at circa £190k

What are these new specked up £’s

[Juno]

Sarnie said:

"All"?

Two on PH at £194k...……..JZM one sold at £200k.....only five other cars listed, all above £200k...…..

They start at circa 190k ish

JZM car who knows what it sold for but was listed at 19 something

Question was what are they specked up?