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Not that I can afford either but surely Senna is now the performance king,however the P1 is a stunning looker, which would it be if you were making the choice?
Which one will turn out to be the ultimate King of Mclaren cars and must have in the long run.
The F1 is obviously so far out in front it will probably never be caught but the above two are from the same era and I think worthy of comparison.
Which one will turn out to be the ultimate King of Mclaren cars and must have in the long run.
The F1 is obviously so far out in front it will probably never be caught but the above two are from the same era and I think worthy of comparison.
Edited by Juno on Tuesday 5th March 22:57
flemke said:
Much of what you say is true, although there is some speculation also.
I am unaware that Sennas are "not trading at any premium". At the moment there are three listed on PH Classifieds, the cheapest at £100k over RRP. On mobile.de there are none listed for sale. I know for a fact of some that have changed hands at six-figure premiums.
Regarding whether the Senna's performance will be surpassed in the next 36 months by 2/3 other McLarens, that is unlikely. The things that make the car faster than other McLarens around a track are its weight, its power and its aerodynamics. Although of course the car's power can and will be exceeded, there is no McLaren road car in the pipeline that will weigh as little, and none with aerodynamics as extreme as the Senna's. I expect that there will not be another McLaren that is as fast around a circuit until the successor to the P1. That car will be all-electric, cost twice as much, and will not appeal to enthusaists who prefer pistons to electrical windings.
My own guess is that, in five years' time, the Senna will trade at a higher price than the P1, for several reasons:
- P1 based on technology that, as you say, will be obsolesced.
- By that point, performance-orientated "supercars" will mostly if not entirely be hybrid or electric. Senna will be looked upon as one of the last of the great petrol-engined driver's cars.
- Indeed the Senna's looks are very much an acquired taste, but there are enough people to whom the looks appeal and, for them, the Senna is the best example of that functional, brutalist look.
- You can never, ever beat light weight in a car. P1 weighs about 25% more, and that difference is quite noticeable.
This encompasses most of the thoughts I had when asking the initial question.I am unaware that Sennas are "not trading at any premium". At the moment there are three listed on PH Classifieds, the cheapest at £100k over RRP. On mobile.de there are none listed for sale. I know for a fact of some that have changed hands at six-figure premiums.
Regarding whether the Senna's performance will be surpassed in the next 36 months by 2/3 other McLarens, that is unlikely. The things that make the car faster than other McLarens around a track are its weight, its power and its aerodynamics. Although of course the car's power can and will be exceeded, there is no McLaren road car in the pipeline that will weigh as little, and none with aerodynamics as extreme as the Senna's. I expect that there will not be another McLaren that is as fast around a circuit until the successor to the P1. That car will be all-electric, cost twice as much, and will not appeal to enthusaists who prefer pistons to electrical windings.
My own guess is that, in five years' time, the Senna will trade at a higher price than the P1, for several reasons:
- P1 based on technology that, as you say, will be obsolesced.
- By that point, performance-orientated "supercars" will mostly if not entirely be hybrid or electric. Senna will be looked upon as one of the last of the great petrol-engined driver's cars.
- Indeed the Senna's looks are very much an acquired taste, but there are enough people to whom the looks appeal and, for them, the Senna is the best example of that functional, brutalist look.
- You can never, ever beat light weight in a car. P1 weighs about 25% more, and that difference is quite noticeable.
Edited by flemke on Wednesday 6th March 08:09
I think the Senna will hold up as the easy to use Super Car in the years to come,pretty much jump in and go.
I cant see Mclaren wanting to create something quicker in the next few years unless they have another historic name up their sleeve to assign to it,who would want to out do Senna anyway.
Maybe for some of the other reasons quoted the 675LT could be a dark horse.
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