Reasons Tesla are the only current good choice to buy

[Heres Johnny]

sambucket said:

It’s really not a fact, as dozens of model 3 owners on here can attest.

....out of the thousands who have bought one.

[anonymous-user]

Heres Johnny said:

....out of the thousands who have bought one.

All those 4 links above re reliability, are about the S, I think.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 11th July 20:44

[jamoor]

LotusJas said:

I seem to have touched a nerve with some owners Despite also saying a Tesla is currently the only choice for a one car daily choice.

Sorry but face it. They are poorly built and unreliable. But do they have an exceptional charger network.

A quick google search on reliability brought up these links as the top ones:

https://uk.motor1.com/news/428893/model-s-15-least...

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/06/teslas-are-th...

https://www.businessinsider.com/survey-uk-drivers-...

https://www.carsuk.net/tesla-and-range-rover-are-t...

Makes you wonder what LR are playing at with many years of experience.

[Heres Johnny]

sambucket said:

Heres Johnny said:

....out of the thousands who have bought one.

Great, I was just thinking it's been over a week since this exact discussion played out.

All those 4 links above re reliability, are about your car, I believe.

It’s just too easy to wind you lot up.

If any of those had put Tesla top for reliability you’d be touting it as hard evidence of how wonderful the brand is, because they don’t you just try and dismiss it. It’s so predictable it’s laughable how some of you respond to these things.

[ZesPak]

Tbh German cars along with Jaguar and Alfa have closed those lists for years, yet people still buy Audi for the "quality".
I think there's so little in it, as in you'll always have the majority of owners who have owned a faultless car.
But the numbers don't lie,if you care about reliability, buy Japanese.

[SWoll]

This,

I've run BMW/Merc/Audi's for 15 years as company cars and had no end of engine/gearbox etc. issues that have meant the car going back to the dealer.

Having read the reliability reports on Tesla before choosing to try one I found the majority of complaints appear to be around panel gaps, poorly fitted interior trim and crashing infotainment.

Certain 'reliability' issues allow you to continue using the car until they are resolved by a mobile technician, others leave you stranded at the side of the road and mean losing your car for days whilst sorting out a replacement that may or may not be suitable.

In the real world where you've got things to do and are limited for time not all faults are created equal.

[jason61c]

As above, I've had niggles with all the brands.

I think those Tesla reviews aren't quite as wide ranging as they should be. its quite well documented that the 'best built' tesla is the model 3. Learning what they did wrong on the older models.

the one brand I wouldn't touch with a bargepole is JLR.

[SWoll]

jason61c said:

As above, I've had niggles with all the brands.

I think those Tesla reviews aren't quite as wide ranging as they should be. its quite well documented that the 'best built' tesla is the model 3. Learning what they did wrong on the older models.

the one brand I wouldn't touch with a bargepole is JLR.

To be fair my Model 3 has still suffered with the issues mentioned above. The frunk panel/bonnet was a little higher on one side than the other, there was a piece of loose A pillar trim + a broken rear seat cushion retention clip and the infotainment can occasionally have a mind of its own. They've still got a way to go in the quality stakes to beat the traditional manufacturers yet but that doesn't really bother me TBH.

These issues have either been sorted by the mobile technician on my drive at home or are just the result of taking on a brand new car with consistent development occurring which I accept as par for the course.

None of them have ever stopped the car from providing it's primary purpose though.

[aestetix1]

ZesPak said:

But the numbers don't lie,if you care about reliability, buy Japanese.

Or Korean. The Chinese cars seem to be pretty solid too, it's early days but the MG seems to be holding up well.

[SWoll]

aestetix1 said:

ZesPak said:

But the numbers don't lie,if you care about reliability, buy Japanese.

Or Korean. The Chinese cars seem to be pretty solid too, it's early days but the MG seems to be holding up well.

Yep, if reliability is you priority over all other things then an APAC manufacturer is where your money should be going. Been the case for many years.

Edited by SWoll on Sunday 12th July 09:52

[TheRainMaker]

I just typed, Tesla Model 3 long term review into google to see what the real story is.

The first hit is this

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a30209598/201...

"While parked in a driveway, a short in the rear power inverter triggered a pyrotechnic fuse, which prevented an even worse outcome. Following a tow-truck ride to the closest service center about an hour away, the entire rear-motor assembly was replaced. We received plenty of emails and DMs from other Model 3 owners sharing similar stories of getting stranded at the hands of a Model 3."

So basically a new engine in under 10000 miles

[Heres Johnny]

TheRainMaker said:

I just typed, Tesla Model 3 long term review into google to see what the real story is.

The first hit is this

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a30209598/201...

"While parked in a driveway, a short in the rear power inverter triggered a pyrotechnic fuse, which prevented an even worse outcome. Following a tow-truck ride to the closest service center about an hour away, the entire rear-motor assembly was replaced. We received plenty of emails and DMs from other Model 3 owners sharing similar stories of getting stranded at the hands of a Model 3."

So basically a new engine in under 10000 miles

Can't be right, there are at least a dozen people who are happy.

[anonymous-user]

Heres Johnny said:

Can't be right, there are at least a dozen people who are happy.

I'm going to give you benifit of the doubt that you can see the irony of countering anecdata with more anecdata

[Heres Johnny]

sambucket said:

Heres Johnny said:

Can't be right, there are at least a dozen people who are happy.

I'm going to give you benifit of the doubt that you can see the irony of countering anecdata with more anecdata

Can't you tell sarcasm when you see it?

Sorry, I forgot, Tesla fanboys don't have a sense of humour because the world, the Tesla mission to save it, and their personal role in promoting the message are all far too important.

[George Smiley]

Heres Johnny said:

Can't you tell sarcasm when you see it?

Sorry, I forgot, Tesla fanboys don't have a sense of humour because the world, the Tesla mission to save it, and their personal role in promoting the message are all far too important.

It’s sometimes difficult to differentiate sarcasm from envy.

[aestetix1]

The lawsuits are the best source of data for faults on Teslas. The one over the poor quality paint that gets destroyed by normal driving for example.

[SWoll]

aestetix1 said:

The lawsuits are the best source of data for faults on Teslas. The one over the poor quality paint that gets destroyed by normal driving for example.

Crap I agree, but not a reliability issue? I do find those 2 things get conflated in these surveys unfortunately, it's cosmetic issues as against stuff that actually stops the car working properly.

[Heres Johnny]

George Smiley said:

Heres Johnny said:

Can't you tell sarcasm when you see it?

Sorry, I forgot, Tesla fanboys don't have a sense of humour because the world, the Tesla mission to save it, and their personal role in promoting the message are all far too important.

It’s sometimes difficult to differentiate sarcasm from envy.

As a P90DL owner and having owned a MS since 2015 I don’t think envy is the right word

My objection has never been to a fair appraisal of the car and putting things in appropriate context, my objection is to the owners that refuse to acknowledge any short comings.

Ask yourself who you’d prefer to give you advice, someone who will over state capability at every turn, dismiss any criticism and tell you the car is perfect for your situation without actually asking you what your situation is, or somebody who is more measured in their response having owned a car for more than 3 months and is therefore not desperate for confirmation bias over whether they made the right decision and will then push a referral code on you?

[anonymous-user]

Heres Johnny said:

As a P90DL owner and having owned a MS since 2015 I don’t think envy is the right word

My objection has never been to a fair appraisal of the car and putting things in appropriate context, my objection is to the owners that refuse to acknowledge any short comings.

Ask yourself who you’d prefer to give you advice, someone who will over state capability at every turn, dismiss any criticism and tell you the car is perfect for your situation without actually asking you what your situation is, or somebody who is more measured in their response having owned a car for more than 3 months and is therefore not desperate for confirmation bias over whether they made the right decision and will then push a referral code on you?

I would prefer advice from someone with a balanced viewpoint. It's the binary commentary without any nuance that grates. And you are firmly in that camp. This all started because someone said 'all tesla's are poorly built and unreliable' or words to that effect. Which is disprovable with a sample size of 1, even after only a year of ownership.

I don't recall you every saying anything balanced about Tesla. It's relentlessly negative. Which is not illegal. But you don't get to criticise other people for being one sided about their commentary, if that's your own approach too.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 12th July 18:40

[George Smiley]

2nd attempt at using polar tonight

Turn up no one there

Send instructions to the charger I want to use type two, select options, connect, starts charging.

App has crashed tells me it’s waiting for me to connect

Someone pulls into bay next to me in a new mini e, very nice, he plugs his charger in and now my charge has stopped, the app has crashed, I can’t cancel my charge and good chance he is getting electricity at my cost

Phone customer help, gave up waiting after 30 minutes on hold whilst driving to the excellent and working Tesla charger

Will be asking for my account credit to be returned

Life outside Tesla must be fking miserable