My First EV experience.....

[Evanivitch]

Max_Torque said:

In the real world, getting a day to day, all year round 60 mpg really doesn't happen. If it does, then good god, i DO NOT want to get stuck behind you lol!

It did in my Skabia. And I didn't have to hypermile it.

[Greg_D]

I was trying to be Uber fair to the ice lot... My last car had a lifetime average of less than 15mpg. No one is getting stuck behind me...

The point I was making was that even if you take the most efficient ice filling up in the cheapest way, that the most expensive ev fillup in a relatively inefficient vehicle is still probably cheaper.

[ZesPak]

Greg_D said:

Evanivitch said:

I certainly think that rapid charging weekly answers some of that issue, but yes it will be much more expensive than home charging.

and way cheaper than a tankful of fuel...

For the record, I was responding to this statement.

Fast charging is not way cheaper than a frugal car. My diesel XF did nearly 50mpg btw (loads of motorway).

I will admit that you'd have to try really hard to get it to the same level. There's loads of articles about it though, it's not impossible.

[anonymous-user]

Evanivitch said:

Max_Torque said:

In the real world, getting a day to day, all year round 60 mpg really doesn't happen. If it does, then good god, i DO NOT want to get stuck behind you lol!

It did in my Skabia. And I didn't have to hypermile it.

You must only drive long journeys and never get stuck in traffic, ever have to cross a town, or get stuck behind a tractor with 1,000 cars behind it that can't overtake!

In the real world, YEAR ROUND, to average a genuine 60 mpg would be very very good indeed for a pure ICE of any description


(i'm not saying a modern ICE won't do 60 mpg, of course it will, sit on the motorway at 55, and it'll do, when warm, drafting a truck or two, probably 90 mpg. The problem is the cold starts, the short journeys, the traffic, and the braking for roundabouts, lights, etc)

[off_again]

Max_Torque said:

You must only drive long journeys and never get stuck in traffic, ever have to cross a town, or get stuck behind a tractor with 1,000 cars behind it that can't overtake!

In the real world, YEAR ROUND, to average a genuine 60 mpg would be very very good indeed for a pure ICE of any description


(i'm not saying a modern ICE won't do 60 mpg, of course it will, sit on the motorway at 55, and it'll do, when warm, drafting a truck or two, probably 90 mpg. The problem is the cold starts, the short journeys, the traffic, and the braking for roundabouts, lights, etc)

I once saw 63MPG out of my old 123d. Means it does it all the time, right? Oh, thats right, in one specific time at a steady 40 ish MPH, I saw it on constant throttle. Across a tankful? I could get something like 35MPG. As stated, cold starts, stop-start traffic and everything else, fuel economy will drop dramatically.

Just because someone managed to get 60MPG once, or on a particular road, doesnt mean that it averages out at that. Or maybe live on a hill with an escalator that can get you to the top each night?

[320d is all you need]

Max_Torque said:

Evanivitch said:

Max_Torque said:

In the real world, getting a day to day, all year round 60 mpg really doesn't happen. If it does, then good god, i DO NOT want to get stuck behind you lol!

It did in my Skabia. And I didn't have to hypermile it.

You must only drive long journeys and never get stuck in traffic, ever have to cross a town, or get stuck behind a tractor with 1,000 cars behind it that can't overtake!

In the real world, YEAR ROUND, to average a genuine 60 mpg would be very very good indeed for a pure ICE of any description


(i'm not saying a modern ICE won't do 60 mpg, of course it will, sit on the motorway at 55, and it'll do, when warm, drafting a truck or two, probably 90 mpg. The problem is the cold starts, the short journeys, the traffic, and the braking for roundabouts, lights, etc)

I've owned my 320d for a couple of years now, average MPG over around 21,000 is 51. I drive it normally with mixed driving, my commute to my workshop is around 30 minutes on a 40-50 A-Road. I tend not to use it for shorter journeys often (diesels and short journeys etc), but sometimes it gets taken to the shop and used as a tip-run wagon. It is well serviced, remapped, with a decat pipe. I'm sure that helps economy slightly.

I think plenty of smaller turbo diesels and some smaller 1.0 Turbo petrols could achieve that average 50/55/60mpg) rather easily.

A friend had a Fiesta Ecoboost 1.0 and his average in that over the 2 years he had that was around 54mpg. That was impressive.

[Evanivitch]

Max_Torque said:

Evanivitch said:

Max_Torque said:

In the real world, getting a day to day, all year round 60 mpg really doesn't happen. If it does, then good god, i DO NOT want to get stuck behind you lol!

It did in my Skabia. And I didn't have to hypermile it.

You must only drive long journeys and never get stuck in traffic, ever have to cross a town, or get stuck behind a tractor with 1,000 cars behind it that can't overtake!

In the real world, YEAR ROUND, to average a genuine 60 mpg would be very very good indeed for a pure ICE of any description


(i'm not saying a modern ICE won't do 60 mpg, of course it will, sit on the motorway at 55, and it'll do, when warm, drafting a truck or two, probably 90 mpg. The problem is the cold starts, the short journeys, the traffic, and the braking for roundabouts, lights, etc)

62MPG across a tank, 350 miles a week, combination of motorway, dual carriageway, bypass and some urban traffic. Not to mention a not insignificant number of hills. That was all round average with upto 67 MPG in summer with a slightly slower pace on motorway. Small car, big lazy engine without too many emissions controls.

[JonnyVTEC]

i managed 66MPG average in my Insight of 85k of logged miles. Commuting, traffic, dropping kids (only one at a time) at various sports clubs etc.

Significant compromise to it as a car though and i'm struggling to justify it now as 'cheap car' when I also have an IPACE which is not only cheaper to 'energise' but will carry 5 people and has 400bhp!

[Lordbenny]

Spent the day in a very nice fuel cell car last week with a 400 mile range....NOW your talking!....if only there were more than 14 places in the UK to fill up it would be great. Mind you, two of them are quite handy for me!

[rampageturke]

Lordbenny said:

Spent the day in a very nice fuel cell car last week with a 400 mile range....NOW your talking!....if only there were more than 14 places in the UK to fill up it would be great. Mind you, two of them are quite handy for me!

why havent you replied to anything in the thread

this is great driveby stposting. bravo.

[Lordbenny]

rampageturke said:

why havent you replied to anything in the thread.

2 reasons...Firstly, I realised I was preaching to the converted who decided I was the one at fault for a crap electric charging infrastructure because I hadn’t planned to arrive a a filling station that wasn’t working.

Secondly, I’ve got better things to do than sit on PH all day replying to comments!

[dvs_dave]

Lordbenny said:

Spent the day in a very nice fuel cell car last week with a 400 mile range....NOW your talking!....if only there were more than 14 places in the UK to fill up it would be great. Mind you, two of them are quite handy for me!

400 miles....yea right. “Real World” range is no better than an EV’s. So as you managed to completely bungle your one and only EV trip, you presumably spent most of your time with the Mirai walking?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motortrend.com/ne...

[Lordbenny]

dvs_dave said:

Lordbenny said:

Spent the day in a very nice fuel cell car last week with a 400 mile range....NOW your talking!....if only there were more than 14 places in the UK to fill up it would be great. Mind you, two of them are quite handy for me!

400 miles....yea right. “Real World” range is no better than an EV’s. So as you managed to completely bungle your one and only EV trip, you presumably spent most of your time with the Mirai walking?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motortrend.com/ne...

[Evanivitch]

Lordbenny said:

Spent the day in a very nice fuel cell car last week with a 400 mile range....NOW your talking!....if only there were more than 14 places in the UK to fill up it would be great. Mind you, two of them are quite handy for me!

There's 2 in South Wales!

Both gated, locked and by appointment...