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jason61c said:
Yeah, its only harmless fun, I think we both(unlike some) can see though it!
Yes its the GC i'm looking at.
Nothing to do with range, seems people are getting 220-235 miles motorway. I just can't be arsed sitting without a car for a further 2-3 months.
for those who say 'just another bmw diesel', you need to try one, bloody amazing cars and what you get for £25-30k at 2-3 years old is bloody amazing.
on the flip side, if I do go for the 640d, when I jump out of it the game would have moved on, polestars might be at 300miles motorway range, tesla's panel gaps and build issues might have moved on and the MG range might be the best thing in the world!
I'd suggest only one of those scenarios is likely, guess which? Yes its the GC i'm looking at.
Nothing to do with range, seems people are getting 220-235 miles motorway. I just can't be arsed sitting without a car for a further 2-3 months.
for those who say 'just another bmw diesel', you need to try one, bloody amazing cars and what you get for £25-30k at 2-3 years old is bloody amazing.
on the flip side, if I do go for the 640d, when I jump out of it the game would have moved on, polestars might be at 300miles motorway range, tesla's panel gaps and build issues might have moved on and the MG range might be the best thing in the world!
If I had to go diesel the 640D GC would be top of my list as well. If you can find one with the full leather interior option they're an especially lovely place to spend time and the engine is a beauty (for a tractor).
my only advice, don't buy outside of the official used network. You really want that proper used car warranty for peace of mind.
SWoll said:
I'd suggest only one of those scenarios is likely, guess which?
If I had to go diesel the 640D GC would be top of my list as well. If you can find one with the full leather interior option they're an especially lovely place to spend time and the engine is a beauty (for a tractor).
my only advice, don't buy outside of the official used network. You really want that proper used car warranty for peace of mind.
I've found this one out of network but with factory warranty remaining. Its got VDC also!If I had to go diesel the 640D GC would be top of my list as well. If you can find one with the full leather interior option they're an especially lovely place to spend time and the engine is a beauty (for a tractor).
my only advice, don't buy outside of the official used network. You really want that proper used car warranty for peace of mind.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202009244...
jason61c said:
SWoll said:
I'd suggest only one of those scenarios is likely, guess which?
If I had to go diesel the 640D GC would be top of my list as well. If you can find one with the full leather interior option they're an especially lovely place to spend time and the engine is a beauty (for a tractor).
my only advice, don't buy outside of the official used network. You really want that proper used car warranty for peace of mind.
I've found this one out of network but with factory warranty remaining. Its got VDC also!If I had to go diesel the 640D GC would be top of my list as well. If you can find one with the full leather interior option they're an especially lovely place to spend time and the engine is a beauty (for a tractor).
my only advice, don't buy outside of the official used network. You really want that proper used car warranty for peace of mind.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202009244...
SWoll said:
Lovely. VDC will certainly help as the downside of the msport plus package is the harsh ride on passive dampers. Got to have it for those wheels and the HUD though.
Only negative is the lack of lumbar support(bonkers its a paid option).I've got a last roll of the dice with our lease car provider, lets see what happens. I've threatened to pull our company contract from them!
jason61c said:
SWoll said:
Lovely. VDC will certainly help as the downside of the msport plus package is the harsh ride on passive dampers. Got to have it for those wheels and the HUD though.
Only negative is the lack of lumbar support(bonkers its a paid option).I've got a last roll of the dice with our lease car provider, lets see what happens. I've threatened to pull our company contract from them!
Very happy I waited though.
SWoll said:
Rather slow, noisy and smelly but I'm sure it'll do the job.
I am sure a 640d with a remap would easily beat a Polestar 2 from a rolling race especially from higher speeds...My E92 325d with a map running 320bhp was pulling 60 - 120mph in about 11 seconds flat
Edit - Not bias as I have a Polestar 2 on order! (Mainly for BIK savings mind)...
Edited by greggy50 on Friday 2nd October 14:04
greggy50 said:
SWoll said:
Rather slow, noisy and smelly but I'm sure it'll do the job.
I am sure a 640d with a remap would easily beat a Polestar 2 from a rolling race especially from higher speeds...My E92 325d with a map running 320bhp was pulling 60 - 120mph in about 11 seconds flat
Edit - Not bias as I have a Polestar 2 on order! (Mainly for BIK savings mind)...
Edited by greggy50 on Friday 2nd October 14:04
SWoll said:
Have you had a chance to have a good drive in a P2 or another performance EV yet out of interest?
I have drove a Model S 100D (not the P) and a Model 3 Long Range, also had a brief go in an I3 that is a pool car on one of our contracts which was suprisingly fun around town. The Model 3/S felt very quick up to about 60/70 and then it didn't feel any quicker than a decently petrol/diesel car in all honesty if you get over the initial jump that makes them feel quicker than they are due to the instant torque. Not sure what the 60 - 120 mph time is on one but I doubt it would be quicker than the 3 series I had (the performance Model 3 probably would be but I drove the LR)
The performance for a daily driver is great but it would never be a weekend or fun car for me personally the lack of noise just kills it, however my company car list massively favours electric cars so for similar money to a 320d or boggo A4 diesel (before fuel cost even kicks in) so overall its a no brainer for me going for the Polestar.
The Model 3 was decent to drive but I couldn't deal with the interior/exterior hence ordering the Polestar as it seems far better in both respects and actually has a speedo in front of you which I found bloody annoying not to have in the Model 3.
I will be sure to post my thoughts when it arrives (who knows when that is...) my home charger gets fitted next week at least
greggy50 said:
The Model 3/S felt very quick up to about 60/70 and then it didn't feel any quicker than a decently petrol/diesel car in all honesty if you get over the initial jump that makes them feel quicker than they are due to the instant torque.
I really think they are engineered in this way as few countries have speed limits over 70/80 so that's all you need, although additional speed is available if required.greggy50 said:
The Model 3/S felt very quick up to about 60/70 and then it didn't feel any quicker than a decently petrol/diesel car in all honesty if you get over the initial jump that makes them feel quicker than they are due to the instant torque. Not sure what the 60 - 120 mph time is on one but I doubt it would be quicker than the 3 series I had (the performance Model 3 probably would be but I drove the LR)
The Carwow videos are good for this. When you factor in the lack of gearchanges and instant acceleration, you would need more power than you mention to be on level playing field with these cars. The M3P is just over 5 seconds 60-100mph and the LR isn't much behind once you are rolling. Of course it is over 100mph where the ICE cars will pull it back but is that really that relevant day to day?Edited by MaxFromage on Friday 2nd October 19:10
SWoll said:
jason61c said:
on the flip side, if I do go for the 640d, when I jump out of it the game would have moved on, polestars might be at 300miles motorway range, tesla's panel gaps and build issues might have moved on and the MG range might be the best thing in the world!
I'd suggest only one of those scenarios is likely, guess which? They've all been recalled.
Probably just some minor software glitch, I expect if they haven't already they will have OTA soon, and so won't need recalls like this.
Details here: https://insideevs.com/news/447089/all-2200-polesta...
Probably just some minor software glitch, I expect if they haven't already they will have OTA soon, and so won't need recalls like this.
Details here: https://insideevs.com/news/447089/all-2200-polesta...
phil4 said:
They've all been recalled.
Probably just some minor software glitch, I expect if they haven't already they will have OTA soon, and so won't need recalls like this.
Details here: https://insideevs.com/news/447089/all-2200-polesta...
Yep nothing major, they just stop working completely (without warning in some cases) and leave you stranded at the side of the road until you get towed.Probably just some minor software glitch, I expect if they haven't already they will have OTA soon, and so won't need recalls like this.
Details here: https://insideevs.com/news/447089/all-2200-polesta...
MaxFromage said:
greggy50 said:
The Model 3/S felt very quick up to about 60/70 and then it didn't feel any quicker than a decently petrol/diesel car in all honesty if you get over the initial jump that makes them feel quicker than they are due to the instant torque. Not sure what the 60 - 120 mph time is on one but I doubt it would be quicker than the 3 series I had (the performance Model 3 probably would be but I drove the LR)
The Carwow videos are good for this. When you factor in the lack of gearchanges and instant acceleration, you would need more power than you mention to be on level playing field with these cars. The M3P is just over 5 seconds 60-100mph and the LR isn't much behind once you are rolling. Of course it is over 100mph where the ICE cars will pull it back but is that really that relevant day to day?Edited by MaxFromage on Friday 2nd October 19:10
The Taycan seems to be the only electric car on the market that gets round this with the 2nd gear as you can see in drags races against the Model S P100D as it really pulls away at higher speeds and as such I am surprised other companies have not tried to adopt it yet. I assume the new Model S claimed to do 200 must have an extra gear...
Regardless of the above I will need to drive a lot slower on motorways however otherwise my range will be crap 😅
SWoll said:
phil4 said:
They've all been recalled.
Probably just some minor software glitch, I expect if they haven't already they will have OTA soon, and so won't need recalls like this.
Details here: https://insideevs.com/news/447089/all-2200-polesta...
Yep nothing major, they just stop working completely (without warning in some cases) and leave you stranded at the side of the road until you get towed.Probably just some minor software glitch, I expect if they haven't already they will have OTA soon, and so won't need recalls like this.
Details here: https://insideevs.com/news/447089/all-2200-polesta...
Twelve volt system seems to fail. Not good, possibly an easy fix, but leaving you stranded is pretty inexcusable.
greggy50 said:
Its not really... my personal issue is I do sit at 90/95 on a clear motorway and personally appreciate performance from say 50-100 more than 0-60 where electric cars have a big advantage. I am not deniying 5 seconds 60-100 is quick but its nowhere near as impressive as the 0-60 time.
The Taycan seems to be the only electric car on the market that gets round this with the 2nd gear as you can see in drags races against the Model S P100D as it really pulls away at higher speeds and as such I am surprised other companies have not tried to adopt it yet. I assume the new Model S claimed to do 200 must have an extra gear...
Regardless of the above I will need to drive a lot slower on motorways however otherwise my range will be crap ??
Not sure how you calibrated your view as to what represents a good 50-100mph time.The Taycan seems to be the only electric car on the market that gets round this with the 2nd gear as you can see in drags races against the Model S P100D as it really pulls away at higher speeds and as such I am surprised other companies have not tried to adopt it yet. I assume the new Model S claimed to do 200 must have an extra gear...
Regardless of the above I will need to drive a lot slower on motorways however otherwise my range will be crap ??
McLaren F1 does 50-100mph is 4.6s. Ferrari F40 takes 5.4s
Anything around 5 seconds for 50-100mph is just as impressive as a ~4 second 0-60mph.
I'd say over 100mph is where you see 'fast' EVs usually perform relatively poorly against fast ICE cars.
http://www.car-videos.net/performance/speed.asp?Sp...
Edited by EddieSteadyGo on Saturday 3rd October 07:36
We need to grow up and get beyond this constant detail obsession with numbers, especially when the differences are so inconsequential in reality.
As an outsider this thread seems 75% to be discussion over fractions of a second in acceleration or a few miles difference in range vs M3. I bet you most people who buy a P2 do it because they prefer its looks and image to the M3 and couldn’t give a stuff about the numbers. And the same goes for those who will buy an M3 instead.
I don’t see this in ICE threads in anything like the same degree unless it’s pub-bore conversations about supercars. I recently read a post dismissing the VW ID3 for having a 7s 0-60 time, which was Golf GTi level 5 years ago, even though it’s just a run-of-the-mill electric family car.
Once you get into any of these cars surely the cabin, the looks, servicing and reliability will be much more important than launch-control you’ll only ever use once?
As an outsider this thread seems 75% to be discussion over fractions of a second in acceleration or a few miles difference in range vs M3. I bet you most people who buy a P2 do it because they prefer its looks and image to the M3 and couldn’t give a stuff about the numbers. And the same goes for those who will buy an M3 instead.
I don’t see this in ICE threads in anything like the same degree unless it’s pub-bore conversations about supercars. I recently read a post dismissing the VW ID3 for having a 7s 0-60 time, which was Golf GTi level 5 years ago, even though it’s just a run-of-the-mill electric family car.
Once you get into any of these cars surely the cabin, the looks, servicing and reliability will be much more important than launch-control you’ll only ever use once?
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