EVs when the temperature drops.
Discussion
squirdan said:
SWoll said:
Out of interest was it pre-warmed and do you have the new stopping mode enabled?
How would I know?
Assuming you mean about stopping mode it's the new one-pedal driving feature that has extra regen and apparently helps quite a bit with battery use in stop start driving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9i5rrQ6NsA&t=...
granada203028 said:
jamoor said:
Can't you heat the cabin while its charging?
Yes of course but the benefit is rapidly lost once the car is up to speed through the cold air.SWoll said:
squirdan said:
SWoll said:
Out of interest was it pre-warmed and do you have the new stopping mode enabled?
How would I know?Assuming you mean about stopping mode it's the new one-pedal driving feature that has extra regen and apparently helps quite a bit with battery use in stop start driving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9i5rrQ6NsA&t=...
I have regen braking on its most aggressive setting though.
36.x added a HOLD driving mode you need to enable which lets you use 1 pedal driving. Adds a little efficiency.
But even normal regen should do OK, btw you can vary the autopilot follow distance - and even give it some added acceleration if you want to keep up with the car ahead, doesnt break AP.
But even normal regen should do OK, btw you can vary the autopilot follow distance - and even give it some added acceleration if you want to keep up with the car ahead, doesnt break AP.
Thanks Rob. I haven’t done that.
Safety first and all that but the most aggressive “gap” setting is too conservative I feel. If I hung back that far I’d have an endless series of cyclists mopeds bikes and nutters chopping in front of me in town. And on the motorway cars pulling into the gap! I reckon UK roads are too crowded vs wherever Tesla tested
(Accepting the Highway Code and speed awareness course instructors will tell me I’m wrong)
Safety first and all that but the most aggressive “gap” setting is too conservative I feel. If I hung back that far I’d have an endless series of cyclists mopeds bikes and nutters chopping in front of me in town. And on the motorway cars pulling into the gap! I reckon UK roads are too crowded vs wherever Tesla tested
(Accepting the Highway Code and speed awareness course instructors will tell me I’m wrong)
AP is developed in California has somewhat a traffic issue like UK...
Though I'm not in UK and dont know what a 2 car gap (minimum afik) looks like on UK motorways - remember Ap is seeing ahead of the car in front and will react faster than you anyhow in an emergency.
As said when pulling away you can also add acceleration yourself to keep a small gap until traffic is flowing.
Though I'm not in UK and dont know what a 2 car gap (minimum afik) looks like on UK motorways - remember Ap is seeing ahead of the car in front and will react faster than you anyhow in an emergency.
As said when pulling away you can also add acceleration yourself to keep a small gap until traffic is flowing.
SWoll said:
gangzoom said:
SWoll said:
GZ, you seem to be quite angry about this, which I'm finding very amusing.
It not anger, just bemusement why some EV owners seem to be in denial about inherent limitation of the tech. If you want to believe your i3 will do 148 miles of on 85% SOC good for you!The longer I own an EV the more am sure mass adoption is not happening any time soon, which is great for owners, because government is unlikely to try and extract extra taxation from EV owners any time soon
.What bemuses me is why you keep talking about Leicester to Cardiff. I don't do those kind of trips regularly, as will be the case for 99% of drivers, so pointing out that at a constant 70mph with no regen it won't do the mileage it's currently predicting isn't relevant.
It is of course a limitation for some but I don't think placing so much focus on it when it affects such a small group of prospective users is helpful. Average UK commute is < 10 miles and average monthly mileage is < 650.
We’ve had our KonaEV since June, over 5K miles, so above that average. Most trips under 70 miles, so no fears for the winter.
Obviously the cold and high speeds will hurt range.
Summer appeared to see a comfy 250mile range, more if we try.....winter should be easily 180-200+, depending on speeds.
Pre-warming is fab, car is defrosted and toasty before we open the front door....albeit on a schedule, as the Kona crazily has no remote app....
EVs are improving every year, & the Wild West charging infrastructure appears to be getting bigger players in on the action. That said, we’ve only plugged in 4 times away from home over those 5K miles, and 2 of those were just to test if it worked
squirdan said:
Thanks Rob. I haven’t done that.
Safety first and all that but the most aggressive “gap” setting is too conservative I feel. If I hung back that far I’d have an endless series of cyclists mopeds bikes and nutters chopping in front of me in town. And on the motorway cars pulling into the gap! I reckon UK roads are too crowded vs wherever Tesla tested
(Accepting the Highway Code and speed awareness course instructors will tell me I’m wrong)
Safety first and all that but the most aggressive “gap” setting is too conservative I feel. If I hung back that far I’d have an endless series of cyclists mopeds bikes and nutters chopping in front of me in town. And on the motorway cars pulling into the gap! I reckon UK roads are too crowded vs wherever Tesla tested
(Accepting the Highway Code and speed awareness course instructors will tell me I’m wrong)
I have exactly the same issue in the i3, leaves way too big a gap. I tried the traffic jam assist yesterday on the M42 which was at < 20mph speeds due to an accident. Same issue, leaves huge gap that people keep diving into so you just go further and further backwards in the queue.
mikeiow said:
I think the cost of the damn things will be the key barrier to mass adoption for a few more years!
We’ve had our KonaEV since June, over 5K miles, so above that average. Most trips under 70 miles, so no fears for the winter.
Obviously the cold and high speeds will hurt range.
Summer appeared to see a comfy 250mile range, more if we try.....winter should be easily 180-200+, depending on speeds.
Pre-warming is fab, car is defrosted and toasty before we open the front door....albeit on a schedule, as the Kona crazily has no remote app....
EVs are improving every year, & the Wild West charging infrastructure appears to be getting bigger players in on the action. That said, we’ve only plugged in 4 times away from home over those 5K miles, and 2 of those were just to test if it worked
I agree to some extent but just feel that there are a lot of people out there who could afford an EV but refuse due to a ridiculous notion about range. My FIL is a perfect example, he does very few miles but religiously tops off his tank every weekend as seems to need the comfort blanket of a 500 miles of range despite rarely venturing further than 20 miles from home. I have pointed out he's just lugging around a load more weight than he needs to (50kg or so) but he'll never change.We’ve had our KonaEV since June, over 5K miles, so above that average. Most trips under 70 miles, so no fears for the winter.
Obviously the cold and high speeds will hurt range.
Summer appeared to see a comfy 250mile range, more if we try.....winter should be easily 180-200+, depending on speeds.
Pre-warming is fab, car is defrosted and toasty before we open the front door....albeit on a schedule, as the Kona crazily has no remote app....
EVs are improving every year, & the Wild West charging infrastructure appears to be getting bigger players in on the action. That said, we’ve only plugged in 4 times away from home over those 5K miles, and 2 of those were just to test if it worked
squirdan said:
M3P this mornings commute...
Heating and radio on
I make no comment other than thats real life usage . Note the predicted range on nearly 90pc charge...
dont take any notice of predicted range, its utter sHeating and radio on
I make no comment other than thats real life usage . Note the predicted range on nearly 90pc charge...
te and bounces up and down like crazyuse % battery and if you swipe left on the bottom right display it will show you the actual power used for the current trip (plus A and B trips), 2 centigrade this morning, heavier than normal traffic into SE london and i used 310Wh/m this morning, one foot driving enabled
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Wednesday 20th November 09:22
RobDickinson said:
AP is developed in California has somewhat a traffic issue like UK...
Though I'm not in UK and dont know what a 2 car gap (minimum afik) looks like on UK motorways - remember Ap is seeing ahead of the car in front and will react faster than you anyhow in an emergency.
As said when pulling away you can also add acceleration yourself to keep a small gap until traffic is flowing.
I would say a two car gap in the UK looks much likes two car gap in NZ, Rob. Though I'm not in UK and dont know what a 2 car gap (minimum afik) looks like on UK motorways - remember Ap is seeing ahead of the car in front and will react faster than you anyhow in an emergency.
As said when pulling away you can also add acceleration yourself to keep a small gap until traffic is flowing.
The UK Highway Code recommends a two second gap, about 9m at 20mph and 30m at 70. So 2 to 6/7 car lengths.
RobDickinson said:
No its not? Takes a lot more power to heat up the cabin at start,m then just use re circulation rather than drag in cold air.
I've tried recirculation and this doesn't make much difference. If you are doing lots of short journeys with stops without charging/preheating then every time the cabin & heater start to go cold they need to be reheated once you start off again.Preheating only looks possible on the timer. If you plug in and leave the "ignition" on it annoyingly draws from the battery only. I tried that in the summer with the air con. The heater's poor efficiency and inflexibility is the car's worst feature. It's quite an ugly car to but that's not apparent driving it.
I can see that the later heat pump cars must be better. Do all these premium EVs iPace, Testla S, Audi Etron, Merc EQC, Taycan etc have heat pump heaters?
granada203028 said:
RobDickinson said:
No its not? Takes a lot more power to heat up the cabin at start,m then just use re circulation rather than drag in cold air.
I've tried recirculation and this doesn't make much difference. If you are doing lots of short journeys with stops without charging/preheating then every time the cabin & heater start to go cold they need to be reheated once you start off again.Preheating only looks possible on the timer. If you plug in and leave the "ignition" on it annoyingly draws from the battery only. I tried that in the summer with the air con. The heater's poor efficiency and inflexibility is the car's worst feature. It's quite an ugly car to but that's not apparent driving it.
I can see that the later heat pump cars must be better. Do all these premium EVs iPace, Testla S, Audi Etron, Merc EQC, Taycan etc have heat pump heaters?
If you have a tesla on the latest software (36.x) you can schedule departure and it will make sure the cabin is heated and the battery charged ready.
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