Reasons Tesla are the only current good choice to buy

[ZesPak]

These types of stories are not unique (just like build quality stories about Tesla), but how hard is it to get this right? Did they have to scramble that hard to get a working network?

[anonymous-user]

George Smiley said:

2nd attempt at using polar tonight

Turn up no one there

Send instructions to the charger I want to use type two, select options, connect, starts charging.

App has crashed tells me it’s waiting for me to connect

Someone pulls into bay next to me in a new mini e, very nice, he plugs his charger in and now my charge has stopped, the app has crashed, I can’t cancel my charge and good chance he is getting electricity at my cost

Phone customer help, gave up waiting after 30 minutes on hold whilst driving to the excellent and working Tesla charger

Will be asking for my account credit to be returned

Life outside Tesla must be fking miserable

In all honesty, life must be fking miserable for anyone who thinks having a Tesla or not having a Tesla is at all significant.

[George Smiley]

REALIST123 said:

In all honesty, life must be fking miserable for anyone who thinks having a Tesla or not having a Tesla is at all significant.

Anyone buying an EV needs to be aware of these things

[RobDickinson]

It does need sorting.

For most people most of the time home or local level 2 charging is the thing.

But no good telling people you can charge in 30-40min if it takes 3 hours to find a working charger.

[Heres Johnny]

sambucket said:

I would prefer advice from someone with a balanced viewpoint. It's the binary commentary without any nuance that grates. And you are firmly in that camp. This all started because someone said 'all tesla's are poorly built and unreliable' or words to that effect. Which is disprovable with a sample size of 1, even after only a year of ownership.

I don't recall you every saying anything balanced about Tesla. It's relentlessly negative. Which is not illegal. But you don't get to criticise other people for being one sided about their commentary, if that's your own approach too.

Edited by sambucket on Sunday 12th July 18:40

You should check out my website. I even give out other people’s referral codes now because I’ve more than I could possibly ever need.

As for charging, Teslas implementation of CCS isn’t compatible with a number of charge points, like their chademo wasn’t on the first attempt (the old revision D Chad adapter being required on facelift cars, no doubt you’ll remember that?). A lot of the failures Tesla owners experience just aren’t seen by other makes of car but that’s not saying other makes don’t have any charging problems. It probably actually suits Tesla to have these failures on their cars as it makes a Tesla owner think public charging doesn’t work and then they’ll tell everyone they know this ‘fact’ putting them off other makes of EV

I now need to find something positive to say... erm.. luckily Tesla have the supercharger network which is magnificent and over the air updates mean one day when they do get their CCS implementation working properly they can easily push out an update.

[aestetix1]

George Smiley said:

2nd attempt at using polar tonight

Turn up no one there

Send instructions to the charger I want to use type two, select options, connect, starts charging.

App has crashed tells me it’s waiting for me to connect

Someone pulls into bay next to me in a new mini e, very nice, he plugs his charger in and now my charge has stopped, the app has crashed, I can’t cancel my charge and good chance he is getting electricity at my cost

Phone customer help, gave up waiting after 30 minutes on hold whilst driving to the excellent and working Tesla charger

Will be asking for my account credit to be returned

Life outside Tesla must be fking miserable

That's nothing. The other day I rolled up to a Tesla charger and plugged in. The charger immediately caught fire so I moved over to the next bay to try that one. I managed to start charging after kicking it a few times but then a Model S pulled by next to me and exploded.

Gave up and drove down to the excellent Ionity 350kW charger.

Will be asking them to dry clean my asbestos suit

Life with a Tesla must be fking miserable

[RobDickinson]

aestetix1 said:

That's nothing. The other day I rolled up to a Tesla charger and plugged in. The charger immediately caught fire so I moved over to the next bay to try that one. I managed to start charging after kicking it a few times but then a Model S pulled by next to me and exploded.

Gave up and drove down to the excellent Ionity 350kW charger.

Will be asking them to dry clean my asbestos suit

Life with a Tesla must be fking miserable

I've no idea if you're trying to be funny, clever or sarcastic but you utterly fail at all of it.

[ZesPak]

RobDickinson said:

I've no idea if you're trying to be funny, clever or sarcastic but you utterly fail at all of it.

I think he's trying to make your anecdotal experience seem less valid by making up some sort of story?
It's very odd, but I think Elon Musk abused him as a boy.

[theboss]

I used a public charger for the first time yesterday. One quick top-up in 1500 miles and that’s with only a 3-pin at home whilst waiting for a charger to be installed, so it’s fair to say I plan to do most of my charging at home.

No problems whatsoever. Instavolt. Parked car, plugged in, tapped card and gave the car a 20-minute boost.

There were no Tesla super chargers anywhere near the route I was driving so a Tesla driver would have faced having to use the same non-Tesla infrastructure.

I get that some sites and/or charging networks are flakey and that there is vast room for growth and improvement, but unless my experience was a genuine exception from the norm I don’t believe the situation is all that bad.

150kw would have been nicer of course, as I’d only have taken 5-10 minutes.

[SWoll]

theboss said:

I used a public charger for the first time yesterday. One quick top-up in 1500 miles and that’s with only a 3-pin at home whilst waiting for a charger to be installed, so it’s fair to say I plan to do most of my charging at home.

No problems whatsoever. Instavolt. Parked car, plugged in, tapped card and gave the car a 20-minute boost.

There were no Tesla super chargers anywhere near the route I was driving so a Tesla driver would have faced having to use the same non-Tesla infrastructure.

I get that some sites and/or charging networks are flakey and that there is vast room for growth and improvement, but unless my experience was a genuine exception from the norm I don’t believe the situation is all that bad.

150kw would have been nicer of course, as I’d only have taken 5-10 minutes.

Used public charging a number of times when we had an i3 before getting the Tesla. Found it very hit and miss with various units being damaged, unwilling to connect to the car/erroring within 5 minutes of walking away or blocked by ICE drivers parking in the bay.

Not had a single issue with supercharging in 8 months with the Tesla. Pull up to one of the numerous bays, plug in, walk away.

[ZesPak]

SWoll said:

Used public charging a number of times when we had an i3 before getting the Tesla. Found it very hit and miss with various units being damaged, unwilling to connect to the car/erroring within 5 minutes of walking away or blocked by ICE drivers parking in the bay.

Not had a single issue with supercharging in 8 months with the Tesla. Pull up to one of the numerous bays, plug in, walk away.

I've seen the blocking mostly on regular chargers close to the store door. It's a bit of an issue, most EV users won't mind chargers on further spots, but it costs more to install them further from the premises, which is why they are close to the door most of the time.

I've never seen the blocking on faster chargers though, as they usually have their dedicated spot.

[phil4]

It's nice that the polestar is about.

I may have missed a few but it seems that current EV's you can buy (as opposed to theoretical ones) seem to fit more or less in two categories:

- Expensive SUVs
- Cheap small/city cars (mostly with limited range).

About the only cars I can see that don't do that are Tesla with the Model 3, and the Polestar 2. I'm not saying this won't change in time (and with the whole world seeming to want/need an SUV, I can see why it's this way), but right now, those seem to be my choices.

Currently I'm siding with the Tesla because:
- Performance
- Charging network

Do I need a supercharger near me? No, I'll charge it slowly at home. I live in the South of the country so plenty of super chargers 200 odd miles away, which is great for longer journeys.

[aestetix1]

phil4 said:

I may have missed a few but it seems that current EV's you can buy (as opposed to theoretical ones) seem to fit more or less in two categories:

- Expensive SUVs
- Cheap small/city cars (mostly with limited range).

I guess it depends what you consider expensive. For example an e-Niro is about 33k, Kona is a little less. Both around 280-300 miles range.

You can get a Leaf 62 for about 30k if you shop around on CarWow and that will do 220 miles.

[phil4]

aestetix1 said:

I guess it depends what you consider expensive. For example an e-Niro is about 33k, Kona is a little less. Both around 280-300 miles range.

You can get a Leaf 62 for about 30k if you shop around on CarWow and that will do 220 miles.

Expensive > 60K

E-Niro and Kona are Crossover/SUV type things... not my cuppa - though as I mentioned seem to be the rest of worlds idea of such.

Leaf, more like it, but need something with more miles, and happy to spend more like 40K. You're right though, 220 is defo an improvement on the low hundreds typical in that segment.

Hence my point that in that >40K segment of hatchback/saloons, there are only really two options.

[zadumbreion]

George Smiley said:

Life outside Tesla must be fking miserable

Tesla are unquestionably a long way ahead of everyone else in a number of ways. However I chose the EQC because I wanted a level of refinement that Tesla currently can't provide.

I charge at home or at work so the state of the non-Tesla charging network is irrelevant for me, as it will be for many others.

I am very happy with my choice.

[RobDickinson]

zadumbreion said:

I am very happy with my choice.

A fine choice sir!

[ZesPak]

Haven't seen any EQC in the wild tbh. It also came out after I went shopping. I know very little about it.

I think the SuC is a funny thing, in that both non EV owners and some Tesla owners both put too much value on it. Some none ev owners think that we spend an hour a week waiting at quick chargers.
I am curious about the Tesla owners though, do some of you really use it on a regular basis? I'd be tempted, despite the cost, to give another network a try for a week. I can't believe the flip side is as bad as a lot of reviewers are making it out to be.

[aestetix1]

ZesPak said:

Haven't seen any EQC in the wild tbh. It also came out after I went shopping. I know very little about it.

I think the SuC is a funny thing, in that both non EV owners and some Tesla owners both put too much value on it. Some none ev owners think that we spend an hour a week waiting at quick chargers.
I am curious about the Tesla owners though, do some of you really use it on a regular basis? I'd be tempted, despite the cost, to give another network a try for a week. I can't believe the flip side is as bad as a lot of reviewers are making it out to be.

The thing is if they did use the superchargers that much they would knacker their battery. If you use them too much Tesla permanently reduces the charging speed of your car.

[RobDickinson]

aestetix1 said:

The thing is if they did use the superchargers that much they would knacker their battery. If you use them too much Tesla permanently reduces the charging speed of your car.

Tesloop etc seem to cope ok

Here (for now) the SC network is the only one doing more than 50kw :/ So turning up to a 50kw with an iPace or etron is going to require quite some time if you need a good charge.

[jason61c]

zadumbreion said:

Tesla are unquestionably a long way ahead of everyone else in a number of ways.

its just not true anymore.