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aestetix1 said:
It's not because of the size of the battery. The seat is exactly the same shape, no tunnel, they just removed the belt because a 5th person would add too much weight to the vehicle. No bike rack allowed either.
"Too much weight" for what, exactly? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just confused as to what they're trying to achieve.
I think the theory is defo that it's weight.
No pano roof, and they removed the seatbelt for the middle rear passenger (same seat), so they call it a 4 seater.
Could be WLTP range, could be 0-60, ie. they don't want the bigger battery car costing more but being slower.
There's something contrived about it though.
No pano roof, and they removed the seatbelt for the middle rear passenger (same seat), so they call it a 4 seater.
Could be WLTP range, could be 0-60, ie. they don't want the bigger battery car costing more but being slower.
There's something contrived about it though.
I think it's well documented that the ID3 has had a difficult birth, with the well documented software problems and now the embarrassing weight problem of the 77kwh model.
Obviously VW can do an expensive EV in the Taycan, but it just demonstrates how difficult it is designing a ground up "affordable" EV, even for one of the biggest car companies in the world.
What is really interesting is how many Chinese start ups have launched and are selling EVs for well under $30k...
Obviously VW can do an expensive EV in the Taycan, but it just demonstrates how difficult it is designing a ground up "affordable" EV, even for one of the biggest car companies in the world.
What is really interesting is how many Chinese start ups have launched and are selling EVs for well under $30k...
Too slow and too expensive.
Hopefully they'll make an ID.3 R in a few years' time as a competitor to the Golf R.
Does amaze me that nobody seems to be offering a competitor to the Model 3 Performance. Had high hopes for the Polestar 2, but even that's glacial by comparison. Tesla must be miles ahead with drivetrains.
Hopefully they'll make an ID.3 R in a few years' time as a competitor to the Golf R.
Does amaze me that nobody seems to be offering a competitor to the Model 3 Performance. Had high hopes for the Polestar 2, but even that's glacial by comparison. Tesla must be miles ahead with drivetrains.
aestetix1 said:
It's not because of the size of the battery. The seat is exactly the same shape, no tunnel, they just removed the belt because a 5th person would add too much weight to the vehicle. No bike rack allowed either.
But what weight limit? It's still well under 2 tonnes, heavy for a vehicle of its type but I don't see what legislation a 5th person would break? ash73 said:
It's a pity you can't rent an extra battery and put it in the boot, if you need to do long trips regularly.
I think this was discussed in another thread and would make no sense whatsoever. A part from the fact that you'd have packaging restrictions, lose a bunch of space for long trips and still have to buy the damn thing, it also have to weigh over 50kg to make any sense.It's a nice idea, until you think about it more than 2 seconds.
ash73 said:
The Spruce Goose said:
the issue i have EVs are just a bit bland, at least BMW makes an effort with design VW just got the jelly mould out.
I prefer the look of this to the i3.
Me too. I think it's a good effort - it's normal enough not to look ridiculous whilst taking good advantage of the packaging efficiencies an EV platform offers. If only they hadn't gone down the "touchscreen for everything" route with the interior. 
kambites said:
Me too. I think it's a good effort - it's normal enough not to look ridiculous whilst taking good advantage of the packaging efficiencies an EV platform offers. If only they hadn't gone down the "touchscreen for everything" route with the interior. The Spruce Goose said:
kambites said:
Me too. I think it's a good effort - it's normal enough not to look ridiculous whilst taking good advantage of the packaging efficiencies an EV platform offers. If only they hadn't gone down the "touchscreen for everything" route with the interior. The Spruce Goose said:
kambites said:
I don't see why it needs to "break new ground",
Well the name is the hint. It needs mass appeal so will be grey to appeal to biggest market, which is a shame as Tesla have that covered all ready.
There is no reason whatever for it to look dramatic and every reason for it not to. It's a mainstream C-segment family car.
kambites said:
I notice you carefully dropped off the word which gave the quote its meaning.
There is no reason whatever for it to look dramatic and every reason for it not to. It's a mainstream C-segment family car.
Exactly - it's purpose is to appeal to Golf drivers. Not GTi drivers. Not early adopters, but mainstream middle-of-the-road car buyers. Not PH members.There is no reason whatever for it to look dramatic and every reason for it not to. It's a mainstream C-segment family car.
The Spruce Goose said:
JonChalk said:
Exactly - it's purpose is to appeal to Golf drivers. Not GTi drivers. Not early adopters, but mainstream middle-of-the-road car buyers. Not PH members.
Well the price clearly isn't mass appeal, so it is in a bit of limbo land really, and i think that is the wrong idea.The average (both median and mean) list price of new cars registered in the UK is around £35k, but it'll be the lease prices which make or break it.
kambites said:
Me too. I think it's a good effort - it's normal enough not to look ridiculous whilst taking good advantage of the packaging efficiencies an EV platform offers. If only they hadn't gone down the "touchscreen for everything" route with the interior. There's a reason we do it in phones, we have so much functionality these days that we need the control area to be modular for all these things.
To me it's similar to MS Office changing to a responsive ribbon in Office 2007. EVERYONE hated it and claimed MS was the antichrist for going that way. But in all honesty, a lot of the office products had so many buttons thrown on it now that it was getting beyond cluttered. A lot of luxury cars earlier this millennia had similar issues, so many buttons thrown at the dash. With blank ones for options you couldn't afford.
Then, they all tried their flavor of dials/buttons/touchpad solution. None of them work as well as the touch screen.
My parents are complete technophobes yet can find every functionality they want in my Tesla. Put them in the BMW and they need a manual to go through the menus.
I can agree some stuff is overdoing it (wiper speed?), but most of it makes sense.
The main argument I've seen is "it takes your eyes off the road". Yes, and what solution doesn't? What exactly do you do blindly in your Merc that you'd need to take your eyes off the road in this VW?
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