MG5 EV revealed - 214 mile range from £24,495

[Charles-2kzij]

Kambites of course many of the world's atrocities were committed by us and our Imperialism/Colonialism but does that make it right? Are we not better than that? Should we not be progressive?

I think that really is a stupid perspective. I'm surprised you are reading and posting on an EV thread with that attitude. It's attitudes like yours which are sending us towards disaster, its selfish and narrow minded in my opinion.

Each to their, opinions are like aholes everyone has one...

[kambites]

Charles-2kzij said:

Kambites of course many of the world's atrocities were committed by us and our Imperialism/Colonialism but does that make it right? Are we not better than that? Should we not be progressive?

We should, I just think it's important to understand that every nation has some pretty dark things in its past, and frankly most still do in their present (just look at some of the recent arms deals the UK has made with decidedly dubious nations).

I'm not trying to defend China, but I think all too many people use their human rights issues as an excuse for general anti-Chinese feelings whilst ignoring similar or worse behaviour from other more "western" nations. I have every respect for people who are genuinely trying to boycott nations and/or companies with dubious moral standards, I just have the feeling that they'll end up having to boycott everyone.

It is, of course, your choice what you do or don't buy.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 9th December 13:41

[Charles-2kzij]

Kambites I'm not naive to what goes on in the real big world out there.

The difference is if we have means to do things differently we should try. I know we are the second largest arms manufacturer in the world behind US. I would prefer we weren't but it puts food on people's tables and that's where we are right now. That's nothing I can influence but this is a decision I can make which hopefully won't support a cause which I morally object to. We are lucky to have those freedoms and choices.

In any case I've decided to go for a Renault Zoe instead. Not sure what's worse supporting China or the French ha ha. I'm sure some of the parts will be Chinese made but from my research it's not too bad compared to some manufacturers.

[kambites]

Fair enough.

As I said, everyone has to make these decisions for themselves.

[Zirconium]

Charles-2kzij said:

I think you'll find they were the source of the infection through their wet markets or are you going to give me some crack pot conspiracy theory? Regardless of that they failed to notify others when it could have save many people around the world by trying to delay the info getting out. Not to mention their human rights, treatment of honk Kong, environmental destruction, oppression of their people etc etc.

I think everything in my post was trying to demonstrate some regard for those poor people so I don't know how you can accuse me of not caring but anyway whatever, you don't need to attack me.

I thought you might be suggesting a conspiracy theory - that it had been created in a Chinese laboratory. I don't think the Chinese should be blamed for this pandemic. They suffered from it first and were only saved from further spread due to the draconian restrictions imposed by their totalitarian state.The first sequence of a novel coranavirus was only received by their health authorities on the 27th December 2019 and the disease was reported to the local office of the WHO by the 31st. Even in early January it was still not clear that human to human infection was a major vector for the spread of the disease.
Please don't mistake me for a fan of the Chinese government and their policies, but I am not confident that a western government would have dealt with a novel infection breaking out in their country any more effectively. Indeed the way that the US government, for instance, has dealt with the disease does not suggest otherwise.

[dapprman]

Charles-2kzij said:

Unfortunately the only thing that puts me off is the fact that it's Chinese made and worse than that apparently linked to slave labour camps. I think I will probably avoid MG for that reason. I'm fortunate enough to have choice and enough money to look elsewhere so I don't really want to be part of supporting modern slavery or Chinese business.

I assume you also do not and will not touch any product from TATA then as you're painting with a wide brush. Sure TATA is just a shell company for about 7 or 8 little TATAs each with their own areas but you may want to look up Modern Slavery, Tea Plantations, and TATA all in the same search - sure they bought the plantations in that state but then they were still not doing anything about it when they challenged reporters over articles published about it - except the articles were base don facts published by the OHCHR. Just saying (btw this includes Tetley tea)

[Charles-2kzij]

Crikey guys why the tone?

I'm not judging anyone for their decisions simply trying to make what are in my opinion better ones for myself, in my own situation. Do what the hell you like, you will anyway and that's your right, unless you are oppressed like many of the people mentioned in this thread ha ha. The irony..

I do generally try to buy fair trade tea by the way ha ha.

[Toaster Pilot]

How many products do you already own from manufacturers on that list?

[Pooh]

Charles-2kzij said:

I'm not a zealot or anything but I detest the Chinese mentality and ethics. Covid is just one more thing they have done to damage the world even more. Exploitation of Weigur (or however you spell it) is abhorrent, it's akin to the Holocaust so no I don't want to support that. History won't judge people who do kindly.

The problems with China go a lot deeper than this, they have built their economy on intellectual property theft, government subsidy, currency manipulation and the use of bribery and corruption to secure sole access to natural resources, particularly in Africa.
They are also heavily involved in cyber warfare, are occupying Tibet and a part of India, threatening to take over large parts of the South China sea and threatening Taiwan.
Their environmental record is also dire with serious pollution of the sea, rivers, land and atmosphere.
They have taken over large numbers of Western companies and in some cases are slowly moving production and engineering to China, Volvo and Polestar are a good example of this.
If we do not wake up soon we will have a situation where a totalitarian state is dominating the world and Western business and industry will be in serious trouble.
It is impossible to avoid all Chinese products but it seems incredibly short-sighted not to at least try.
Other countries are far from perfect but China is truly in a league of its own.

[Charles-2kzij]

Very eloquently put Pooh, a little bit scary isn't it. They didn't use to have the financial weight to throw around but now they do it's even worse.

[sjg]

For anyone thinking of these, note the car doesn't have any permitted roof load now. The roof rails on the higher spec one are decorative only.

Marketing materials (which had shown a bike on the roof) have been changed.

https://www.speakev.com/threads/no-roof-load.15538...

[Charles-2kzij]

Toaster Pilot said:

How many products do you already own from manufacturers on that list?

Quite a few probably,the point is I'm trying to look a bit deeper into what I'm buying a bit more now. It's mainly electronics that's the hardest to avoid.

[kambites]

Charles-2kzij said:

Toaster Pilot said:

How many products do you already own from manufacturers on that list?

Quite a few probably,the point is I'm trying to look a bit deeper into what I'm buying a bit more now. It's mainly electronics that's the hardest to avoid.

Yeah, it's pretty much impossible to buy electronics or anything containing electronics which aren't at least partially manufacturered in China.

[Toaster Pilot]

sjg said:

For anyone thinking of these, note the car doesn't have any permitted roof load now. The roof rails on the higher spec one are decorative only.

Marketing materials (which had shown a bike on the roof) have been changed.

https://www.speakev.com/threads/no-roof-load.15538...

This is a massive dropped bk. Shows how half arsed MG really are.

[kambites]

Is roaf loading an official part of the type approval process, or is it just a figure manufacturers publish using whatever metholody they choose?

[jjwilde]

It probably does not meet some obscure load rule. I'd imagine it will be perfectly fine to put a bike on there in reality, they are just not allowed to say you can.

[Toaster Pilot]

jjwilde said:

It probably does not meet some obscure load rule. I'd imagine it will be perfectly fine to put a bike on there in reality, they are just not allowed to say you can.

Wouldn’t that be potentially problematic with insurance though? My ZS EV isn’t rated for towing but the petrol ZS is so a towbar exists - I can’t fit it and tow a caravan so how is this any different?

[Richard-D]

If you crash whilst towing a caravan (probably 1200kg) with a car that isn't type approved for towing the insurers would be well justified in saying that you were using the car in a way that was never intended. If you crash carrying 10kg of pushbike on the roof rails I just can't see them caring. If you make a claim for damage to the roof caused by the bike maybe.

[Willow1212]

Richard-D said:

If you crash whilst towing a caravan (probably 1200kg) with a car that isn't type approved for towing the insurers would be well justified in saying that you were using the car in a way that was never intended. If you crash carrying 10kg of pushbike on the roof rails I just can't see them caring. If you make a claim for damage to the roof caused by the bike maybe.

If your bike comes off the roof on the motorway and goes under the Bentley following you, it could get really awkward.
I was considering one of these, but this could be a deal-breaker for me unfortunately.

[kambites]

Willow1212 said:

If your bike comes off the roof on the motorway and goes under the Bentley following you, it could get really awkward.
I was considering one of these, but this could be a deal-breaker for me unfortunately.

I must admit it had never even occurred to me that there was the concept of an official "roof loading" figure. I've always just stuck stuff on the roof without thinking about it.

The ZS appears to have an official road loading figure for those it bothers.