Polestar 2

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jason61c

5,978 posts

176 months

Friday 2nd July 2021
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EddieSteadyGo said:
jason61c said:
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iqonic 5>ps2>ev6>q4>model 3 is the order I'll go.
From my recollection of the this thread from last year, when it came down to it, you picked a 3 year old diesel BMW > PS2 biggrin
I picked a 2 year old 640d! It’d now a 18month old e400d.

EddieSteadyGo

12,263 posts

205 months

Friday 2nd July 2021
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jason61c said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
jason61c said:
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iqonic 5>ps2>ev6>q4>model 3 is the order I'll go.
From my recollection of the this thread from last year, when it came down to it, you picked a 3 year old diesel BMW > PS2 biggrin
I picked a 2 year old 640d! It’d now a 18month old e400d.
I stand corrected!

I'm only slightly teasing you by the way - 640d, e400d, PS2 are all very good cars smile

dgswk

902 posts

96 months

Friday 2nd July 2021
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With the current state of affairs, whatever you wait for will be superceeded by the time you can actually order and when it hits the road. That pattern will continue for a good few years I reckon. The EV plateau in terms of battery tech is a good 20 years out yet.

At some point youve got to nail your colours to the mast and commit for 3-4 years, or you will never drive an EV

Good advert for leasing I guess?

jason61c

5,978 posts

176 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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dgswk said:
With the current state of affairs, whatever you wait for will be superceeded by the time you can actually order and when it hits the road. That pattern will continue for a good few years I reckon. The EV plateau in terms of battery tech is a good 20 years out yet.

At some point youve got to nail your colours to the mast and commit for 3-4 years, or you will never drive an EV

Good advert for leasing I guess?
It’s not at current rates, £25k +vat for 3 years.

You are correct though, you do have to dive in. I’m waiting to see what bik rates will be for the next 3 years as I don’t want to get caught out

annodomini2

6,879 posts

253 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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jason61c said:
dgswk said:
With the current state of affairs, whatever you wait for will be superceeded by the time you can actually order and when it hits the road. That pattern will continue for a good few years I reckon. The EV plateau in terms of battery tech is a good 20 years out yet.

At some point youve got to nail your colours to the mast and commit for 3-4 years, or you will never drive an EV

Good advert for leasing I guess?
It’s not at current rates, £25k +vat for 3 years.

You are correct though, you do have to dive in. I’m waiting to see what bik rates will be for the next 3 years as I don’t want to get caught out
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/fleet-faq/what-are-the...

jason61c

5,978 posts

176 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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annodomini2 said:
2%. that's fair. I'll wait to see how what the iqonic 5 reviews are like now.


SWoll

18,693 posts

260 months

Saturday 3rd July 2021
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EddieSteadyGo said:
SWoll said:
jason61c said:
a ps2, long range, with pilot and plus pack is £700ish(excluding vat) on a fully maintained 3+35. 12kpa.

As much as id like the thump of a twin motor, I think the useful range(lighter weight?) of the single motor will be of more use, especially with the heat pump
For the additional £30-40 a month Polestar are asking I'd definitely go for the AWD personally. Range has improved dramatically since launch, AWD can come in very handy in the UK and the performance difference is significant enough to be worth the cost and 10% range reduction IMHO.
Maybe it is just me, but I would find it slightly galling looking at the current prices vs what it was costing a few months.

By the way SWoll, what are you thinking about replacing the M3P with? There are not a huge amount of alternatives available?
Not sure at the moment as circumstances have changed so much for us over the past 18 months. We've gone from running 2 EV's and covering 2500 miles per month in Jan 2020 to 1 EV and 500-750 miles per month with the Tesla being an indulgence in all honesty.

If I can't sort out a salary sacrifice deal at work and get an eTron GT or Taycan for what I would consider a reasonable cost then considering a lightly used I3S for daily duties and something ICE as a fun weekend/GT option. The idea of having a bit of a garage queen that comes out for special occasions does appeal after years of functional company cars covering big annual mileages.

Have to see how the rest of the year goes.


Jock Strap

443 posts

213 months

Monday 5th July 2021
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CBurb said:
Evening everyone

Hope everyone is doing well and their week is treating them well thus far!

I thought I'd give my thoughts on the Polestar 2 as I test drove one at the weekend.

Forgive me if I'm pissing on everyone's bonfire as I imagine the driving characteristics, features and general experience of the car has probably been covered here. However, I really did enjoy the experience of the car and I wanted to put that into words.

London Westfield

It began with a trip to London's Westfield shopping centre, where I was surprised and delighted to see a Polestar "Space" with a Polestar 2 inside; its classy but distinctive design catching the eye instantly against the minimalist interior of their "Space." I've always liked Volvos, particularly this current generation, and had never see a Polestar up close, so I went in. Even when I'm with two girlfriends, (friends that are women, behave - I'm not polyamorous) it is hard to keep me from cars.



I was very impressed with how approachable, friendly and helpful they were in there. I asked about the possibility of a test drive, as if you don't ask you don't get of course! They were happy as I'm 25, and even stated how their Spaces are designed to facilitate the experience of the Polestar brand away from a sales/dealership environment. This made great impression on me.

I ended up test driving it at their Milton Keynes test centre.

Milton Keynes Test Centre

Once again a very welcoming, pressure free environment with very friendly and particularly helpful staff. There was a group of us who had come to test drive the car in that time slot.They gave us a presentation on all the stats; charging times, range, one pedal driving etc. Particularly important as I might've been the only one with prior electric car driving experience. At most one of two.



Afterwards, each person got their own Polestar 2 to drive with their companion as a passenger. No Polestar employee in the car. However, we followed a test driver in another Polestar 2 in convoy on a pre determined road route. Nice mix of urban and countryside.

So, my feelings about the car

Exterior Design

Obviously subjective, but I agree with the general consensus on this car. It looks absolutely brilliant. Suave, cool and distinctive enough that you feel like you have something special and different, but discreet and understated enough that it is easily inconspicuous. The car equivalent of a fountain pen.



I also like the fact it has hatchback boot. Personally, I much prefer daily vehicles to have a hatchback boot to be honest. I love normal hatchbacks and estates. Saloon decklids are very compromised in my opinion. Why do I want to "post" my stuff into the boot?

Interior

You get in and can instantly tell its a quality item. All the touchpoints are tactile and pleasing to use. The fit and finish is spot on.

The refined classiness of the exterior carries on into the interior. Everything has a crisp simplicity that is special without being fussy. Particular highlight is the gear selector. I loved that. It is different enough that it distinguishes itself from the obvious competitors, such as the German stuff and the omnipresent American alternative, without being wacky.



It has a minimalist interior but still nice. The American car has an interior that looks like a flat you've left at the end of the tenancy but you've left the TV as it belongs to the landlord.

I thought the infotainment, both the central screen and the instrument cluster was fantastic. Clear, legible and razor sharp. I particularly like the map on the big screen and in the instrument cluster. It was also very easy to use. Mastering would definitely be a quick and easy process.

I particularly like the use of orange.





I think physical buttons for climate control would be nice. I don't like the trend of moving away from buttons. However, this Polestar had just enough buttons and an easy enough screen that it was not too bad.

With this minimalism, it is interesting to compare it to rivals. The current generation of Mercedes interiors have a lot more going on in them. Whether that appeals is up to you.

Driving Experience

I drove a dual motor model. 400+ hp. My daily is a 1.4 80PS Polo and my toy is a MK1 Audi TT 225. As you can imagine then, I thought this thing was rapid. Instantly so of course. That instant power really does give you more options on the road. Pick your spot. Go. Done. No problem. It is of course, huge fun too!

Its obviously incredibly quiet, but you are allowed to enjoy the experience as its solid, well insulated and doesn't shake about, with one exception which I'll get to.

Steering was obviously light, but direct and intuitive. Somewhat lifeless but that doesn't really matter on this thing in my opinion.

The throttle pedal has a very soft travel at the top of the pedal action. That struck me as soon as I started. Like your squishing a marshmallow with the pedal before the proper power comes in. It was odd at first but I think it works like that to help you modulate the throttle. Particularly with the regen braking slowing the car more than a normal car would when coasting. With regen braking, you need to modulate the throttle to coast as we are used to. Not just take your foot off like normal. It slows down quite sharp if you do that.

Both the low and standard regen modes were well calibrated. My driving style suits one pedal driving anyways but I found it very easy to get used to. One pedal driving is fantastic.

I did have to get on the brakes properly one time. It has brilliant braking performance. Very impressed by that.

Really liked the seats.

Easy to see out of. C pillar is quite big but I didn't find that too bad. Has blind spot monitoring of course if that does bother you.

Car was easy to place on the road. Not a particularly big car to drive of course but was easy to get used to its dimensions.

I didn't hoon the car, but the body control felt good. Definitely felt like a normal, good car and not a crap crossover. Some of them are like driving a trifle.

One downside was the ride comfort. The roads we took were in about as good condition as roads get apart from newly surfaced. The ride however was very jiggly. I don't remember any huge thumps but the ride was busy. Almost like the suspension is shivering. It's probably liveable, but not ideal.

It was riding on 20s and has a fair bit weight to deal with, (bit like I do nowadays) but it wasn't the performance pack one. Gosh I imagine that rides like a church pew with skateboard wheels on it. I'd be interested to see how much difference the 19s make. I noticed it when the TT I got back into rode much better and my Polo rides like a magic carpet in comparison.

Conclusion

Overall, both the car and the Polestar test drive experience is absolutely fantastic. It is a great brand that has made a great car. Definitely feels a more premium prospect over the likes of the Volkswagen ID3 and Renault Zoe whilst being competitive with Elon's offering.

Obviously, it has all the drawbacks associated with electric cars, but they are individual. Not everyone can charge at home yet but many can etc.

I thought you guys might like to read a review. Particularly one that features an EV that goes through the whole thing without mentioning the Tesla Model 3.

Oh bugger mad

Edited by CBurb on Thursday 1st July 22:16
I went for my test drive at Milton Keynes on Sunday and had the exact same experience as you. Staff there were exceptionally friendly, welcoming and helpful - I hope this will continue throughout the Polestar buying / owning experience, but have heard that their customer service can get much worse after ordering.

My test drive was in the Dual motor, with performance pack and can confirm that the ride was not a pleasant experience - I don't see why anyone would spend the extra £5k for a worse ride.

After my test drive I asked about the difference between the suspension set ups and 19" wheels and they let me re-book onto the next session to try the different spec. I skipped the initial presentation and they took me out on my own, rather than in the group drive for a slightly shorter run and I must say the ride was much better on the smaller wheels and standard suspension.

All in all, we had a great time, and I'll be putting my order in as soon as possible for a Long range, single motor (with Pilot pack)

dgswk

902 posts

96 months

Saturday 10th July 2021
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Another update for anyone who is interested/ cares…..

Yesterday, did the usual 100 mile into work commute knowing last night I’d push on to meet some friends in South Devon for a night under canvas. Knowing the M5 can be an utter @@@@ on a Friday, decides to take it steady to preserve battery on the way into work. I’d have enough to get to the overnight stop and back to Cullompton this morning with out any worries and enough to inflate the air bed. Got this….



Cruise at 60mph, 11degs, 85 odd miles motorway, rest town and a-roads. That’s nearly 4 miles per kWh from the 400bhp monster, loaded up with gear too…. Took 10mins longer, but saw range hit 280 miles!

Anyway, left work, Taunton Dean services, M5 South Summer mayhem. Stopped for a cold drink. Saw new Gridserve / Ecotricity charger. Hyundai was using it but the chap indicated he’d be going in 5 so hung around and plugged in. Swiped credit card and off we go. Ramped it up from 55% to 90%, at 120mph. Weird, no charge on credit card, was that a freebie? Looks like it.

Got to campsite an hour later, one of the lads had a hookup! Well, you have to don’t you! 25A hook up, trickled overnight at 6A as not to set the place on fire.



Couple of bevvies, a bbq and a lot of titling about in a Devon field and then it rained. And rained and rained. And rained some more.

fk that, packed up early to beat the M5 Saturday rush with 83% after the overnight trickle. Hit the lanes…. Didn’t think electricity and water mix!



Stopped at Cullompton for a coffee as is the norm and grabbed a charge. 20mins at 225mph. Never looked forward to service station loos as much as after a rainy night under canvas.

Important notice: Plugsurfing account holders with Polestars get 30p/kWh rate!!!!! No 69p here. Sweet.



Helped a new ID4 driver out who was struggling a bit and off. Not a bad looking car in the flesh, but mine is cooler wink Oh and still raining.

Got home on 28% and 80 miles.

Charge today / tonight on our 7kw, call it £4 and I’ll have done 400 hassle free miles for £7.50 with the public charging network.

Lucky? Probably. In reality, just avoid the M5 at peak summer times, not because of charging, just because it’s utterly st in any car.

Two things I’ve noticed. At around 70% it drops the rate to c. 100mph and at 80% it drops it to just 50mph charge speeds. Hence 20-80% is the sweet spot.


TheRainMaker

6,380 posts

244 months

Saturday 10th July 2021
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This is now on my short list, I went to Milton Keynes on Wednesday, it was a fantastic, no walking into a empty dirty show room with only a bar code to meet you hehe

The whole set up is very good.

Grandad Gaz

5,099 posts

248 months

Monday 12th July 2021
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TheRainMaker said:
This is now on my short list, I went to Milton Keynes on Wednesday, it was a fantastic, no walking into a empty dirty show room with only a bar code to meet you hehe

The whole set up is very good.
I went to the one in Cambridge. Big mistake!

Turned out it was a shipping container behind a Vauxhall garage. What made things worse, there was roadworks all down the main road outside, making it a one way system.

Cambridge can be a right pain to drive in at the best of times.

Having seen the set up at Milton Keynes, I should have made the longer trip and gone there. smile

Still, it didn’t put me off ordering one!

ian_c_uk

1,259 posts

205 months

Wednesday 28th July 2021
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Drove a P2 Dual Motor yesterday. Very impressive, and a much nicer drive than it’s obvious rival, driven on same day.

Now balancing spec vs motors, was surprised to see the single motor is fwd. Anyone with a single motor have any thoughts on torque steer / traction? A lot of fwd EV’s struggle to deal with the instant torque, does it chirp the tyres or trigger tcs easily?


Diderot

7,421 posts

194 months

Wednesday 28th July 2021
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ian_c_uk said:
Drove a P2 Dual Motor yesterday. Very impressive, and a much nicer drive than it’s obvious rival, driven on same day.

Now balancing spec vs motors, was surprised to see the single motor is fwd. Anyone with a single motor have any thoughts on torque steer / traction? A lot of fwd EV’s struggle to deal with the instant torque, does it chirp the tyres or trigger tcs easily?
To be honest, given the price differential between the single and dual motor long range versions in particular, and the performance gulf, dual motor looks to be a no brainer surely?

Dave_Rich

100 posts

50 months

Thursday 29th July 2021
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Having now sat in and had a general nose around a Kia EV6 I can confirm that it is indeed a Model 3 competitor and a very strong one at that.

The driving position is much like my own car (Audi A8) and definitely nothing like a SUV/Crossover. I am very interested in buying one but will wait for the test drive in September when I will hopefully be able to see if my dog fits in the back.

ZesPak

24,450 posts

198 months

Thursday 29th July 2021
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Dave_Rich said:
Having now sat in and had a general nose around a Kia EV6 I can confirm that it is indeed a Model 3 competitor and a very strong one at that.
In terms of body shape, wouldn't it be more of a Model Y competitor?

greggy50

6,183 posts

193 months

Thursday 29th July 2021
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Diderot said:
ian_c_uk said:
Drove a P2 Dual Motor yesterday. Very impressive, and a much nicer drive than it’s obvious rival, driven on same day.

Now balancing spec vs motors, was surprised to see the single motor is fwd. Anyone with a single motor have any thoughts on torque steer / traction? A lot of fwd EV’s struggle to deal with the instant torque, does it chirp the tyres or trigger tcs easily?
To be honest, given the price differential between the single and dual motor long range versions in particular, and the performance gulf, dual motor looks to be a no brainer surely?
I would agree, its like jumping from a 320d to a M340i perfotmance wise for £4k and as such its a no brainer.

Dave_Rich

100 posts

50 months

Thursday 29th July 2021
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ZesPak said:
Dave_Rich said:
Having now sat in and had a general nose around a Kia EV6 I can confirm that it is indeed a Model 3 competitor and a very strong one at that.
In terms of body shape, wouldn't it be more of a Model Y competitor?
Having not seen a Model Y in the metal it's hard for me to say but I can see people cross shopping this with a Model 3. \there was a Model 3 owner at the event doing just that.

I'm guessing that the Model Y is a fair bit bigger given it can have a 3rd row of seats. The EV6 is really quite sleek.

BTW I posted in this thread by accident (also posted in Model 3 alternatives) but thought it was worth leaving it in as the EV6 is also an alternative to the Polestar 2.



Diderot

7,421 posts

194 months

Thursday 29th July 2021
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greggy50 said:
Diderot said:
ian_c_uk said:
Drove a P2 Dual Motor yesterday. Very impressive, and a much nicer drive than it’s obvious rival, driven on same day.

Now balancing spec vs motors, was surprised to see the single motor is fwd. Anyone with a single motor have any thoughts on torque steer / traction? A lot of fwd EV’s struggle to deal with the instant torque, does it chirp the tyres or trigger tcs easily?
To be honest, given the price differential between the single and dual motor long range versions in particular, and the performance gulf, dual motor looks to be a no brainer surely?
I would agree, its like jumping from a 320d to a M340i perfotmance wise for £4k and as such its a no brainer.
Exactly. Plus 4wd vs fwd.

Grandad Gaz

5,099 posts

248 months

Saturday 31st July 2021
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greggy50 said:
Diderot said:
ian_c_uk said:
Drove a P2 Dual Motor yesterday. Very impressive, and a much nicer drive than it’s obvious rival, driven on same day.

Now balancing spec vs motors, was surprised to see the single motor is fwd. Anyone with a single motor have any thoughts on torque steer / traction? A lot of fwd EV’s struggle to deal with the instant torque, does it chirp the tyres or trigger tcs easily?
To be honest, given the price differential between the single and dual motor long range versions in particular, and the performance gulf, dual motor looks to be a no brainer surely?
I would agree, its like jumping from a 320d to a M340i perfotmance wise for £4k and as such its a no brainer.
I don’t agree with that but, I can see where you are coming from. smile

It’s not just the engine that is different in the M340i, it will be the whole package, suspension set up, the lot. A completely different car to drive.
With the Polestar, it will be the power delivery only. Nothing else.

I don’t know why you would want to reduce the mileage range in these cars just to get that extra bit of acceleration. The single motor is no slouch on its own.

After all, range is important on EV’s. That’s the main reason why people decide on one in the first place.

Mikehig

758 posts

63 months

Tuesday 10th August 2021
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Autocar has just done a brief review of the single motor base model:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/polestar/2/fi...
Torque steer gets a mention.