Porsche Taycan
Discussion
Witchfinder said:
The 4S starts at £83.5k. A few choice options should get you a very well specified car for under £100k.
That's a bargain, I just checked again, here in Belgium it starts at over 110k EUR, which is basically 100k GBP.The bigger battery is another 7k on it's own.
It also says over 1k of "original options", but I can't find them anywhere to unchek them
. I remember when I checked almost a year ago these were charging cables?So a similarly specced Taycan here would be indeed closer to 120k GBP rather than 100k.
That made it over 30% more expensive for me than a Model S with more equipment.
I do like the Taycan, but not THAT much
. At 20k GBP less, I probably would have given it more than a second thought!Edited by ZesPak on Thursday 18th June 22:14
With Mr Sunak bribing company owners to buy an EV, I popped into my local Porsche dealer and took a look, with a tape measure and a bike. Yes, a bike does fit in the back with the seats down, sans both wheels but with the seat post still in, so that's test #1 passed. I probed the salesman on the battery option and charge network and home charge points practicalites, which to be fair, he didn't gloss over. I did some homework later and a drive to Devon for a weekend would end up being a one-way trip, without a charge point within 20 miles of my usual destination.
The salesman was keen to get me to drive it, fair dos to him, so I did, a Turbo S. I hadn't driven an EV before so can't comment on how others feel, but the Taycan does look and feel like a car. The neck-snapping lunge in Sport Plus was a giggle, but only for giggle purposes, it'd be stupid to leave it switched on, especially with a passenger. The 'Electric Sport Sound' was disconcerting and once I'd worked out how to switch it off I did, much better without IMO. The self-steering and cruise control were fine, but the lane-keeping felt a bit jerky. I'm sure the salesman in the car behind could tell I was having a play with it.
By the end though, I was feeling a bit underwhelmed, ever so slightly seasick, still unconvinced about range, and, well, pleased to get into my Macan. With a bike in the back with both wheels on.
Thanks Mr Sunak, but I'll pass for now.
The salesman was keen to get me to drive it, fair dos to him, so I did, a Turbo S. I hadn't driven an EV before so can't comment on how others feel, but the Taycan does look and feel like a car. The neck-snapping lunge in Sport Plus was a giggle, but only for giggle purposes, it'd be stupid to leave it switched on, especially with a passenger. The 'Electric Sport Sound' was disconcerting and once I'd worked out how to switch it off I did, much better without IMO. The self-steering and cruise control were fine, but the lane-keeping felt a bit jerky. I'm sure the salesman in the car behind could tell I was having a play with it.
By the end though, I was feeling a bit underwhelmed, ever so slightly seasick, still unconvinced about range, and, well, pleased to get into my Macan. With a bike in the back with both wheels on.
Thanks Mr Sunak, but I'll pass for now.
SpartacusF said:
The neck-snapping lunge in Sport Plus was a giggle, but only for giggle purposes, it'd be stupid to leave it switched on, especially with a passenger.
I've never understood this as a comment. Before we got our Tesla I spoke to a guy who said he drove everywhere in 'chill' mode in his as it was just too fast otherwise. I've never done that with ours as find it the easiest car we've ever had to drive smoothly and sensibly whilst still having the ability to throw you up the road at a ridiculous rate whenever you should want or need it to. Unless the throttle pedal in the Taycan is horribly calibrated I get the feeling some people just need to alter their driving style and be a bit more delicate with their inputs.
Yep, options are going to be murder on the 4S as the spec is relatively poor to keep that list price looking attractive hence the huge jump (£30k+) to the Turbo as it is far better equipped as standard but underneath only has a more powerful rear motor.
Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 7th July 22:32
SWoll said:
Yep, options are going to be murder on the 4S as the spec is relatively poor to keep that list price looking attractive hence the huge jump (£30k+) to the Turbo as it is far better equipped as standard but underneath only has a more powerful rear motor.
Completely wrong. Spec a 4S with £20k of options and you get pretty much all you need (I have!). Start adding these bits to a Turbo and you then get to Turbo S money. Spec the Turbo S and you get to Supercar money. Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 7th July 22:32
It's all a matter of what you need and feel is essential on your vehicle. For me the 4S was £20k cheaper for a like for like spec Turbo with bits I wanted.
PrancingHorses said:
SWoll said:
Yep, options are going to be murder on the 4S as the spec is relatively poor to keep that list price looking attractive hence the huge jump (£30k+) to the Turbo as it is far better equipped as standard but underneath only has a more powerful rear motor.
Completely wrong. Spec a 4S with £20k of options and you get pretty much all you need (I have!). Start adding these bits to a Turbo and you then get to Turbo S money. Spec the Turbo S and you get to Supercar money. Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 7th July 22:32
It's all a matter of what you need and feel is essential on your vehicle. For me the 4S was £20k cheaper for a like for like spec Turbo with bits I wanted.
I think the 4S with important options (performance battery, 20" wheels, leather-free adaptive sports seats, Sport Chrono, PDCC, rear wheel steering, and some minor items like folding mirrors and parking camera) should come in at around £100k. That would be more than enough car for me. I just need to go back in time and buy TSLA shares at $150.
Kilsoj said:
That was my thinking as well - the things I want the car to have the turbo doesn’t necessarily have, and could see no justification in the difference, the spec I am looking at is about 100k - just suprised the pcp figure quoted to me are so far away from the examples given
If you are adding £17k worth of options and the deal doesn't factor that into the 3 year GFV then that's best part of £500 more per month you'll be paying to cover the entire cost of them over the term I assume?Be interested to know if adding similar cost options to the Turbo/Turbo S has the same affect on the numbers or are they trying to make as much as possible on the 4S with the list price looking so attractive in comparison?
Kilsoj said:
That’s how it’s seems - I presumed that, as had been told previously, that the gfv would increase along with certain options, like the battery, obviously it would not increase by 17k, but doesn’t seem to have increased at all
Seen this many times with PCP/leasng over the years. Some manufacturers/models subsidise options quite well on deals whilst others want every penny over the term.Like i say they know full well 99% of Taycan 4S will have £10k+ of options added so really a £95k car rather than an £85k one and if they can squeeze the numbers they will. Such a jump to the Turbo people will I'm sure pay it to get the spec they want.
I imagine you'd see a decent % of the option cost back if you paid the GFV and then sold the car on at end of term but of course most aren't going to do that and will just hnd it back and roll onto the next new one.
Kilsoj said:
That was my thinking as well - the things I want the car to have the turbo doesn’t necessarily have, and could see no justification in the difference, the spec I am looking at is about 100k - just suprised the pcp figure quoted to me are so far away from the examples given
Porsche has introduced a cheaper RWD version in China, been only RWD it should have more range too. Unless you want bragging rights it'll be more than quick enough in the real world, and if it comes at £80kish after options it becomes almost 'affordable'.Fantastic looking cars, worth the asking price.
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