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kambites said:
ZesPak said:
after a year of "touchscreen for everything", I think it's brilliant.
Definitely a personal thing. Can't stand it personally. I think the ideal is a blend.....but I appreciate others will differ!
Having *everything* stacked in a screen *does* mean you take yours eyes off the road for longer.
We also love the HUD on the Kona - great for seeing speed limit without taking eyes far off the road. It looks quite Heath Robinson (slides up from the dash when you start up!), but works really well.
Added to which, keeping some buttons mean those things *typically* won't fail. Screen driven things, despite the leaps in tech thus far, can still freeze!
ZesPak said:
But what weight limit? It's still well under 2 tonnes, heavy for a vehicle of its type but I don't see what legislation a 5th person would break?
It's not about legislation. It's a choice VW have made, for some odd and contrived reason. Most likely in my mind is performance of some sort. They don't want it under performing the cheaper mdirange car.ash73 said:
The bigger battery doesn't make sense in this car anyhow, it becomes too expensive for what it is.
Just buy the base model and hire a diesel car for occasional long trips.
Don't even do that. Just spend an extra 30 minutes over your 4 hour journey on charging once in a while. It's not worth tens of thousands of pounds to save an hour or two a year.Just buy the base model and hire a diesel car for occasional long trips.
phil4 said:
It's not about legislation. It's a choice VW have made, for some odd and contrived reason. Most likely in my mind is performance of some sort. They don't want it under performing the cheaper mdirange car.
Still doesn't work for me. So they say you can't have 5 people in there because then it will be slower than the mid range car with 4?Performance numbers are without people anyway?
ZesPak said:
Still doesn't work for me. So they say you can't have 5 people in there because then it will be slower than the mid range car with 4?
Performance numbers are without people anyway?
I don't know what the answer is, but they have done just that. No middle seatbelt. No Pano roof. Performance numbers are without people anyway?
No it's not legislation, but they've done it.
It's defo answers on a postcard time.
https://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-parts/towing/t...
"Safety is the driving force behind the GVWR for any vehicle. If a vehicle is overloaded, a number of problems can result. For example, if the vehicle is too heavy, the brakes may not be substantial enough to slow down or stop the vehicle effectively; the suspension components can become ineffective or possibly even break under the added strain and tires that are overloaded generate more heat, making them more likely to blow out. For safety's sake, the GVW should never surpass the GVWR."
"Safety is the driving force behind the GVWR for any vehicle. If a vehicle is overloaded, a number of problems can result. For example, if the vehicle is too heavy, the brakes may not be substantial enough to slow down or stop the vehicle effectively; the suspension components can become ineffective or possibly even break under the added strain and tires that are overloaded generate more heat, making them more likely to blow out. For safety's sake, the GVW should never surpass the GVWR."
RobDickinson said:
That actually makes sense!So a good explanation could be that suspension, tires and brakes are not up to the task?
ZesPak said:
That actually makes sense!
So a good explanation could be that suspension, tires and brakes are not up to the task?
Or more, and they are unwilling to improve whatever is needed, it'll either cost too much or compromise something else. So a good explanation could be that suspension, tires and brakes are not up to the task?
The overall weight could be reduced over the production life and that 5th seat added back in later I guess as the platform develops. I feel they've missed some targets but went with it anyhow.
JD said:
I remember a similar issue with the Merc c350e
If you went with a certain option (glass roof?) you couldn’t have the tow bar or something along those lines.
I’m sure the conclusion was the rear brakes were not up to it.
Remember the id3 just has little drum brakes on the back.
That does make sense, reducing load in the rear to spare the rear brakes. It is RWD so regenerative braking happens in the back?If you went with a certain option (glass roof?) you couldn’t have the tow bar or something along those lines.
I’m sure the conclusion was the rear brakes were not up to it.
Remember the id3 just has little drum brakes on the back.
Is there a tow hitch available at all?
ZesPak said:
Can someone finally answer what they want the buttons for? What buttons does the kona have a tesla or this VW doesn't that you'll miss?
Would you want indicators / wipers / horn on the touchscreen?I like having buttons for basic general controls that you can reach for and operate without looking ( heaters for example )
I don’t want to have to press twice on a screen to reach something?
Iwantafusca said:
Would you want indicators / wipers / horn on the touchscreen?
No, not an answer to the question though?Iwantafusca said:
I like having buttons for basic general controls that you can reach for and operate without looking ( heaters for example )
I don’t want to have to press twice on a screen to reach something?
Ok, we got heaters. I can see some people want to fiddle with that. I set mine once and haven't thought of it again. Even in the tesla, it's a touchscreen control that is always there so no need to press it twice though...I don’t want to have to press twice on a screen to reach something?
On the ID3 it looks like these are physical as well, as are of course indicators, wipers, horn, most media controls.
So what buttons are we missing? Just have a look in your car and see what controls you'd actually miss, especially the ones you use without looking of course. I've been on the other side of this argument and mostly it looks like people are hating on a touchscreen because it's new and they just want things to stay the same. I mean, my kids are growing up so fast and now they are changing buttons on a car!!
Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 19th August 10:44
ZesPak said:
Iwantafusca said:
Would you want indicators / wipers / horn on the touchscreen?
No, not an answer to the question though?Just to show some things are still easier with physical switches/buttons ?
Iwantafusca said:
I like having buttons for basic general controls that you can reach for and operate without looking ( heaters for example )
I don’t want to have to press twice on a screen to reach something?
Ok, we got heaters. I can see some people want to fiddle with that. I set mine once and haven't thought of it again. Even in the tesla, it's a touchscreen control that is always there so no need to press it twice though...I don’t want to have to press twice on a screen to reach something?
Is changing the temperature really the touchscreen hater's hill to die on?
Iwantafusca said:
I like touchscreens, but i like having a button or buttons for basic constant use things , bit like a touchscreen phone with physical volume or home screen buttons.
I 100% agree.That's why I asked "what physical buttons do you want". The only example so far I've seen is heater controls. And those do seem present in some form on the ID.3 (though I know nothing about the interface on that car).
I didn't mind them on the Tesla (it's always there, so no need to go in some sort of menu) and I found those on the Velar counter intuitive, took a while getting used to them.
I haven't had extended use of a TM3 and I can imagine wiper speed and glovebox to be odd ones. But then I also can't remember the last time I used those in my car (but that's personal).
Most cars take some getting used to. I know plenty of people struggling with the lights in my Mercedes (it had that dial thingy merc did a while ago), I thought it worked well but it's definitely not the norm. Hardly a deal breaker though.
Oh and the Alfa had the boot opener at the lights above your head.
that was great.In essence, it's about lay out. The Jaguar was terrible in that regards, and the touchscreen was so clunky you'd rather have buttons for everything as well.
In the Tesla, it's all nicely laid out and you KNOW that it must be in there, as everything is in there. The Polestar 2 with it's google OS is touted to be even better.
Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 19th August 10:57
They've designed the car from the ground up and that's the centre screen solution they signed off on?
Looks like an cheap aftermarket unit someone has stuck on the dash badly with velcro pads?
Rarely go near ours in the Model 3 whilst driving as pretty much everything else is auto so set and forget (wipers, lights, regen, climate, seat and mirror position profiles etc.)
Looks like an cheap aftermarket unit someone has stuck on the dash badly with velcro pads?
Iwantafusca said:
I like touchscreens, but i like having a button or buttons for basic constant use things , bit like a touchscreen phone with physical volume or home screen buttons.
You need to define constant use though? Wiper sweep, cruise/autopilot, volume/track skip and voice controls all accessible without using the touchscreen.Rarely go near ours in the Model 3 whilst driving as pretty much everything else is auto so set and forget (wipers, lights, regen, climate, seat and mirror position profiles etc.)
Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 19th August 11:01
SWoll said:
They've designed the car from the ground up and that's the centre screen solution they signed off on?
Looks like an cheap aftermarket unit someone has stuck on the dash badly with velcro pads?
It reminds of the entertainment unit that was on my mk 1 vw up! , and not in a good way lol. Looks like an cheap aftermarket unit someone has stuck on the dash badly with velcro pads?
ZesPak said:
I 100% agree.
That's why I asked "what physical buttons do you want". The only example so far I've seen is heater controls. And those do seem present in some form on the ID.3 (though I know nothing about the interface on that car).
I didn't mind them on the Tesla (it's always there, so no need to go in some sort of menu) and I found those on the Velar counter intuitive, took a while getting used to them.
I haven't had extended use of a TM3 and I can imagine wiper speed and glovebox to be odd ones. But then I also can't remember the last time I used those in my car (but that's personal).
Most cars take some getting used to. I know plenty of people struggling with the lights in my Mercedes (it had that dial thingy merc did a while ago), I thought it worked well but it's definitely not the norm. Hardly a deal breaker though.
Oh and the Alfa had the boot opener at the lights above your head. that was great.
In essence, it's about lay out. The Jaguar was terrible in that regards, and the touchscreen was so clunky you'd rather have buttons for everything as well.
In the Tesla, it's all nicely laid out and you KNOW that it must be in there, as everything is in there. The Polestar 2 with it's google OS is touted to be even better.
Ah that would be easier if they are always on the home screen for want of a better description. Can you customise the screen and button layout like a smartphone? The Tesla has the nicest uncluttered dashboard of the EV’s , so that’s a benefit I guess !That's why I asked "what physical buttons do you want". The only example so far I've seen is heater controls. And those do seem present in some form on the ID.3 (though I know nothing about the interface on that car).
I didn't mind them on the Tesla (it's always there, so no need to go in some sort of menu) and I found those on the Velar counter intuitive, took a while getting used to them.
I haven't had extended use of a TM3 and I can imagine wiper speed and glovebox to be odd ones. But then I also can't remember the last time I used those in my car (but that's personal).
Most cars take some getting used to. I know plenty of people struggling with the lights in my Mercedes (it had that dial thingy merc did a while ago), I thought it worked well but it's definitely not the norm. Hardly a deal breaker though.
Oh and the Alfa had the boot opener at the lights above your head.
that was great.In essence, it's about lay out. The Jaguar was terrible in that regards, and the touchscreen was so clunky you'd rather have buttons for everything as well.
In the Tesla, it's all nicely laid out and you KNOW that it must be in there, as everything is in there. The Polestar 2 with it's google OS is touted to be even better.
Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 19th August 10:57
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