What they don't tell you about electric cars
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M4cruiser said:
Megaflow said:
a second hand module only cost £90 (see link below) and shouldn’t take much more than a few hundred quid in labour to swap.
You can buy an entire battery for £1500!
Show me where you can buy an entire battery for £1,500. Is that new or used?You can buy an entire battery for £1500!
Yes the module was replaced, my understanding is that only one cell in the module was dud but you're right the whole module had to be replaced.
Show me a garage that will do the work! He looked around for a HEVRA registered garage and they said what it means is they can do things like brake pipes on an EV, but won't touch the HV systems.
HEVRA registered garages are qualified to work on the HV systems, it says so on their website. Just because your friend couldn't find a garage that wanted to do the work, again doesn't make that a fault of the technology.
tamore said:
there are ways of hooking these up to your house. would be amazingly cheap even if it was down to about 17kWh. controllers and plumbing needed obviously, but you could quite easily bolt one of these to a garage wall.
I'm keenly looking forward to the 'refurb EV as a household battery' industry getting established.With so much renewable energy in the pipeline, household batteries are a no brainer.
Megaflow said:
Used. Here you go: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/126051982624?_ul=GB
HEVRA registered garages are qualified to work on the HV systems, it says so on their website. Just because your friend couldn't find a garage that wanted to do the work, again doesn't make that a fault of the technology.
That's £1350 for a used 24kWh leaf battery, 12 years old.HEVRA registered garages are qualified to work on the HV systems, it says so on their website. Just because your friend couldn't find a garage that wanted to do the work, again doesn't make that a fault of the technology.
Most 12 year old leaves are showing serious loss of range compare to whne they were new.
These cars can be bought for £3k now, spending half that on a time-served battery seems crazy.
If you could cheaply swap out a battery with say 30% health for one with 60% health, it might prolong the life of the car.
I suspect some people are buying these batteries for other purposes?
Or they break them into modules and try to replace duff modules in their car.
But if you look on ebay for 'completed listings', few of these are actually selling.
OutInTheShed said:
Megaflow said:
Used. Here you go: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/126051982624?_ul=GB
HEVRA registered garages are qualified to work on the HV systems, it says so on their website. Just because your friend couldn't find a garage that wanted to do the work, again doesn't make that a fault of the technology.
That's £1350 for a used 24kWh leaf battery, 12 years old.HEVRA registered garages are qualified to work on the HV systems, it says so on their website. Just because your friend couldn't find a garage that wanted to do the work, again doesn't make that a fault of the technology.
Most 12 year old leaves are showing serious loss of range compare to whne they were new.
These cars can be bought for £3k now, spending half that on a time-served battery seems crazy.
If you could cheaply swap out a battery with say 30% health for one with 60% health, it might prolong the life of the car.
I suspect some people are buying these batteries for other purposes?
Or they break them into modules and try to replace duff modules in their car.
But if you look on ebay for 'completed listings', few of these are actually selling.
hing about electric cars and one of the pieces of 'evidence' to support the belief that they are wrong is expensive repair costs, when 30 seconds of research shows the OP's friend was completely taken for a ride. Many people have been ripped of by garages when fixing ICE cars, they don't complain it is the fault of the internal combustion engine when it happens.Nomme de Plum said:
TheRainMaker said:
Answering the topic, the two things which stand out for me were:
1, The range in the winter was far worse than I thought it would be.
2, Charging curves are not linear.
What defines worse.1, The range in the winter was far worse than I thought it would be.
2, Charging curves are not linear.
Of course they are not linear. Why would you assume they would be?
Why would you not think charging would be linear? At no point does any manufacturer ever mention that it wouldn't be.
TheRainMaker said:
Nomme de Plum said:
TheRainMaker said:
Answering the topic, the two things which stand out for me were:
1, The range in the winter was far worse than I thought it would be.
2, Charging curves are not linear.
What defines worse.1, The range in the winter was far worse than I thought it would be.
2, Charging curves are not linear.
Of course they are not linear. Why would you assume they would be?
Why would you not think charging would be linear? At no point does any manufacturer ever mention that it wouldn't be.
You would be about right to expect 20% ime.
TheRainMaker said:
I was expecting around a 20% drop; the reality, for me, is around a 50% drop.
Why would you not think charging would be linear? At no point does any manufacturer ever mention that it wouldn't be.
Depends on load. My EV drops anywhere between 0 and 50% in winter depending on journey, heat demand and driving style. But you can control a lot of that.Why would you not think charging would be linear? At no point does any manufacturer ever mention that it wouldn't be.
Charging is usually linear between 20 and 80%. Same as your mobile phone, well publicised and documented.
Doesn't take long to get used to the new technology and adapt to the positives and negatives.
TheRainMaker said:
Nomme de Plum said:
TheRainMaker said:
Answering the topic, the two things which stand out for me were:
1, The range in the winter was far worse than I thought it would be.
2, Charging curves are not linear.
What defines worse.1, The range in the winter was far worse than I thought it would be.
2, Charging curves are not linear.
Of course they are not linear. Why would you assume they would be?
Why would you not think charging would be linear? At no point does any manufacturer ever mention that it wouldn't be.
Do you get in your supercar or even a diesel and wrag it full tilt from cold?
eldar said:
TheRainMaker said:
I was expecting around a 20% drop; the reality, for me, is around a 50% drop.
Why would you not think charging would be linear? At no point does any manufacturer ever mention that it wouldn't be.
Depends on load. My EV drops anywhere between 0 and 50% in winter depending on journey, heat demand and driving style. But you can control a lot of that.Why would you not think charging would be linear? At no point does any manufacturer ever mention that it wouldn't be.
Charging is usually linear between 20 and 80%. Same as your mobile phone, well publicised and documented.
Doesn't take long to get used to the new technology and adapt to the positives and negatives.
This reminded me of the dire predictions of massive battery bills on this thread.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
EUbrainwashing said:
My 2022 KAMIQ 1.5TSi manual Skoda had an apparent engine issue.
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The dealer has now informed us that the warranty claim for the engine damaged has been refused, that the damage is the result of fuel contamination and a new engine needs to be fitted at a cost of, wait for it, £14K and the diagnostic process is also our liability for which a bill is due for £1,450.00 even if we do not get the new engine fitted. Hahaha! Right.
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The dealer has now informed us that the warranty claim for the engine damaged has been refused, that the damage is the result of fuel contamination and a new engine needs to be fitted at a cost of, wait for it, £14K and the diagnostic process is also our liability for which a bill is due for £1,450.00 even if we do not get the new engine fitted. Hahaha! Right.
TheRainMaker said:
eldar said:
Charging is usually linear between 20 and 80%. Same as your mobile phone, well publicised and documented.
Are they?None of the cars I'm interested in are.
I suspect any EV would be problematic in your custody. Perhaps stick to oil based until the EV technology is more mature.
essayer said:
Those charge speeds are all so high you won’t realistically care about them tapering off >70%. Just unplug and keep going.
Nail on head. I sat in my Taycan whilst it charged and watch the speed vary. Who cares as long as it gets to a sensible percentage after the time it's taken to have a pee break and coffee. If that's 80% great if it's a bit less so what?If you don't like it then don't buy an EV. There no rush as most people charge on their drive every few days and that's fine.
eldar said:
TheRainMaker said:
eldar said:
Charging is usually linear between 20 and 80%. Same as your mobile phone, well publicised and documented.
Are they?None of the cars I'm interested in are.
I suspect any EV would be problematic in your custody. Perhaps stick to oil based until the EV technology is more mature.
I'm in my third year, and I have managed fine, thanks.This thread is titled "What they don't tell you about electric cars" I'm just responding to that.
TheRainMaker said:
You muppet I'm in my third year, and I have managed fine, thanks.
This thread is titled "What they don't tell you about electric cars" I'm just responding to that.
Muppet, fair enough I'm in my third year, and I have managed fine, thanks.This thread is titled "What they don't tell you about electric cars" I'm just responding to that.
I'm just puzzled by what the mysterious they aren't telling us. Most here seem pretty aware of the essentials.eldar said:
TheRainMaker said:
You muppet I'm in my third year, and I have managed fine, thanks.
This thread is titled "What they don't tell you about electric cars" I'm just responding to that.
Muppet, fair enough I'm in my third year, and I have managed fine, thanks.This thread is titled "What they don't tell you about electric cars" I'm just responding to that.
I'm just puzzled by what the mysterious they aren't telling us. Most here seem pretty aware of the essentials.At best it a troll thread. At worst it was started by a guy that is genuinely surprised and scared that 'the car' might evolve and leave them confused and upset. The latter is worse because, it's just depressing.
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