New Hyundai Ioniq 5
Discussion
Dave Hedgehog said:
cameras and screens are dirt cheap, 15" HD laptop screens start around £35 retail
at scale i could see it being cheaper to use them than actual wing mirrors, with all the mouldings, glass, motors etc
Well, damage an Audi e-tron digital wing mirror and it ain't cheap to buy a new one. Standard price of 711,28 Euros per side, according to this site at scale i could see it being cheaper to use them than actual wing mirrors, with all the mouldings, glass, motors etc
https://www.oemvwshop.com/4ke857409c-t94-digital-e...
SWoll said:
That's the Etron GT you numpty. 
The full size E- Tron SUV is 4900 so smaller than something like the Q7 or X5 for example. The Q4 Etron is about 4600 so similar to the Ioniq 5 and very much mid sized.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/e-tron/practica...The full size E- Tron SUV is 4900 so smaller than something like the Q7 or X5 for example. The Q4 Etron is about 4600 so similar to the Ioniq 5 and very much mid sized.
raspy said:
Well, damage an Audi e-tron digital wing mirror and it ain't cheap to buy a new one. Standard price of 711,28 Euros per side, according to this site
https://www.oemvwshop.com/4ke857409c-t94-digital-e...
I wouldn't be surprised if that's less than Audi charge for a conventional wing mirror; parts prices have never been very indicative of manufacturing costs anyway. https://www.oemvwshop.com/4ke857409c-t94-digital-e...
Max_Torque said:
Er, i was in a charging bay and an ETRON hove too besides my i3 and it went dark and the birds went to sleep as it blocked out the sun because it was so enourmous!
It was also big enough to mean that the charging lead didn't reach the charge ports if actually parked in the bay. In the end the owner needed to park at a pretty jaunty angle half on the pavement to make it all work!
Everything feels huge when you're in an i3. It was also big enough to mean that the charging lead didn't reach the charge ports if actually parked in the bay. In the end the owner needed to park at a pretty jaunty angle half on the pavement to make it all work!
As above, plenty of very common SUV's that are bigger than the E-Tron. Have you seen an X7 on the road?
Max_Torque said:
Er, i was in a charging bay and an ETRON hove too besides my i3 and it went dark and the birds went to sleep as it blocked out the sun because it was so enourmous!
It was also big enough to mean that the charging lead didn't reach the charge ports if actually parked in the bay. In the end the owner needed to park at a pretty jaunty angle half on the pavement to make it all work!
That's just evidence of crap chargers and poor charger placement. Rear wing locations only!It was also big enough to mean that the charging lead didn't reach the charge ports if actually parked in the bay. In the end the owner needed to park at a pretty jaunty angle half on the pavement to make it all work!
ajprice said:
SWoll said:
That's the Etron GT you numpty.
The full size E- Tron SUV is 4900 so smaller than something like the Q7 or X5 for example. The Q4 Etron is about 4600 so similar to the Ioniq 5 and very much mid sized.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/e-tron/practica...The full size E- Tron SUV is 4900 so smaller than something like the Q7 or X5 for example. The Q4 Etron is about 4600 so similar to the Ioniq 5 and very much mid sized.
ZesPak said:
Front or rear are fine.
Anything else seems silly.
Almost like they did it so you have to buy the optional other side one.
I disagree. Putting a charge port in the crumple zone is class 1 stupidity in my opinion. Very expensive repair for very little damage. Also encourages nose-in parking which is less than ideal in most instances.Anything else seems silly.
Almost like they did it so you have to buy the optional other side one.
SWoll said:
ajprice said:
SWoll said:
That's the Etron GT you numpty.
The full size E- Tron SUV is 4900 so smaller than something like the Q7 or X5 for example. The Q4 Etron is about 4600 so similar to the Ioniq 5 and very much mid sized.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/e-tron/practica...The full size E- Tron SUV is 4900 so smaller than something like the Q7 or X5 for example. The Q4 Etron is about 4600 so similar to the Ioniq 5 and very much mid sized.
. Ok so it's 4901.
ajprice said:
SWoll said:
ajprice said:
SWoll said:
That's the Etron GT you numpty.
The full size E- Tron SUV is 4900 so smaller than something like the Q7 or X5 for example. The Q4 Etron is about 4600 so similar to the Ioniq 5 and very much mid sized.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/e-tron/practica...The full size E- Tron SUV is 4900 so smaller than something like the Q7 or X5 for example. The Q4 Etron is about 4600 so similar to the Ioniq 5 and very much mid sized.
. Ok so it's 4901.
Need to get Witchfinder out with his tape measure.
Evanivitch said:
I disagree. Putting a charge port in the crumple zone is class 1 stupidity in my opinion. Very expensive repair for very little damage. Also encourages nose-in parking which is less than ideal in most instances.
Is a plug that expensive a repair though? Piece of plastic with some thick copper wire? kambites said:
SWoll said:
The options here are expensive too, genuinely not far from what Porche charge for the same things on a Taycan.
Interesting philosophical point - should an option on a cheap car be cheaper than the same option on an expensive car? The base price of the car makes no difference ot the cost of adding the option (although it may affect the number of units the R&D cost is split over). ZesPak said:
Evanivitch said:
I disagree. Putting a charge port in the crumple zone is class 1 stupidity in my opinion. Very expensive repair for very little damage. Also encourages nose-in parking which is less than ideal in most instances.
Is a plug that expensive a repair though? Piece of plastic with some thick copper wire? 2Btoo said:
It leads onto the bigger interesting philosophical point about why an expensive car should cost more than a cheaper car. I think that the answer "it's complicated" just about covers it.
Cars, like anything else, are worth what someone will pay for them, not what they cost to produce. Evanivitch said:
I disagree. Putting a charge port in the crumple zone is class 1 stupidity in my opinion. Very expensive repair for very little damage. Also encourages nose-in parking which is less than ideal in most instances.
Surely everywhere “outside” of the passenger cell is crumple zone, and there’s nowhere to put said charging port in the passenger cell because it’s all taken up be passengers, doors etc?Another argument: twang a car hard enough to need the crumple zones and you’ll probably be replacing the car anyway!
ZesPak said:
Evanivitch said:
I disagree. Putting a charge port in the crumple zone is class 1 stupidity in my opinion. Very expensive repair for very little damage. Also encourages nose-in parking which is less than ideal in most instances.
Is a plug that expensive a repair though? Piece of plastic with some thick copper wire? Jimbo. said:
Evanivitch said:
I disagree. Putting a charge port in the crumple zone is class 1 stupidity in my opinion. Very expensive repair for very little damage. Also encourages nose-in parking which is less than ideal in most instances.
Surely everywhere “outside” of the passenger cell is crumple zone, and there’s nowhere to put said charging port in the passenger cell because it’s all taken up be passengers, doors etc?Another argument: twang a car hard enough to need the crumple zones and you’ll probably be replacing the car anyway!
The max charge rate of this thing is mad, C rating of nearly 3 for large parts of the charge cycle, that's far more aggressive than anyother EV, including the ETron which has a massive top end buffer and a bigger battery.
The established laws of battery chemistry says any charge rate above 1C is bad for battery degredation. It'll be introduced to see if Hyundai maintains this aggressive charge rate into production and if so the effects on long term battery health.
https://insideevs.com/news/503522/hyundai-ioniq5-f...
The established laws of battery chemistry says any charge rate above 1C is bad for battery degredation. It'll be introduced to see if Hyundai maintains this aggressive charge rate into production and if so the effects on long term battery health.
https://insideevs.com/news/503522/hyundai-ioniq5-f...
Evanivitch said:
Nissan Leaf, Zoe, MG ZS all have their chargers in this stupid location. Also means you have to nose-in on most driveways.
Whilst I prefer to reverse park, the vast majority of people seem to park nose-in most of the time so I wouldn't be surprised if that's a large part of the reason for the design. Most convenient location for me would be dead centre on the rear but as far as I know no-one (except Lotus with the Evija which is a bit out of my price range) puts it there.
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