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Tesla likely learned more from Mercedes than Lotus tbh.
As for efficiency, it matters..
The iPace is funny, Bjorns latest test at 45km with no electronics/air on had the iPace more efficient than the model x, and at 90km had the x slightly ahead.
Tesla have done a great job with the 3 efficiency, as have hyundai with their ev's
As for efficiency, it matters..
The iPace is funny, Bjorns latest test at 45km with no electronics/air on had the iPace more efficient than the model x, and at 90km had the x slightly ahead.
Tesla have done a great job with the 3 efficiency, as have hyundai with their ev's
gangzoom said:
The yet to be released Audi e-tron, you know the car Audi has been developing for ages and you still cannot buy has an EPA estimate range of 248 miles, so some 200 miles short of the 444 miles claim.
https://www.wired.com/story/audi-etron-specs-compa...
Unless the new BMW is going to be a large SUV you're not comparing apples with apples... The e-tron is fairly slippery, but still has a large frontal area - it's CdA that counts after all, not Cd.https://www.wired.com/story/audi-etron-specs-compa...
RobDickinson said:
Bmws next ev is a large suv..
They're also doing the i4 which looks to be saloon-like based on the iVision concept instead of the iNext SUV. They quoted their new model ranges as going "up to 700km", so it'd be fair to assume it's going to be the saloon vehicle they're talking about there.Heres Johnny said:
Can you point me to a Tesla you can buy for under 35k?
Can you point me to a new Tesla you can buy in the UK for under twice that?
Different horses for different courses.
So you actually think BMW will be able to release a 700km real life range EV by 2021?Can you point me to a new Tesla you can buy in the UK for under twice that?
Different horses for different courses.
There is BS and there is BS, the world is full of it.
Burwood said:
If you go to autocar today there is a write-up on the E-Tron. 95kw/h battery 250 mile range. It’s an electric q8 basically. Big lump of a thing. Good enough? Anyone in the know care to point out the inadequacies.
Thats a big battery for not going far but its also a large and I guess heavy SUV so not a surprise.If it is a true 250 miles and a full usable 95kwh it'll do ok , seems less efficient than ipace or model x, but so long as you can charge quick enough it really doesnt matter too much.
So 100+kw real charging will be ok, stuck at 50kw it'll suck
250 on the new WLTP test isn't too shabby for a car that size.
We'll have to wait and see when it had been out for a while and properly reviewed what the car is like though. After the disappointing shambles of the 2nd gen Leaf and the poor results from the I-Pace, anything could happen with the e-tron.
£70k anyway, another EV for the wealthy
We'll have to wait and see when it had been out for a while and properly reviewed what the car is like though. After the disappointing shambles of the 2nd gen Leaf and the poor results from the I-Pace, anything could happen with the e-tron.
£70k anyway, another EV for the wealthy
RobDickinson said:
Bmws next ev is a large suv..
On an old platform.
We keep hearing how well old auto could do ev's whenever they like yet we get nothing but compromises...
No Rob. You don’t hear anything that you don’t want to hear. On an old platform.
We keep hearing how well old auto could do ev's whenever they like yet we get nothing but compromises...
- i3 isn't actually bad tbh just short range
Do you not think that BMW have kept a count of how many i3s they’ve sold?
. Do you not think they know how many EVs have sold worldwide, where and for how much? Do you not think they know how big the EV market really needs to be before it is large enough to turn a profit? And do you not think that they know that all the real profit is from hybrids for at least the next car cycle?If your business was making consumer cars for the masses and generating a profit would you mind answering just why you think it’s a good idea to lose money suddenly trying to sell a product which you know there is no market for yet?
Christ, you’re the biggest EV fanatic here and you don’t even own one. Your own example makes it so glaringly obvious why the car companies who exist to make profit today are only spending modest amounts as part of a long term preparation for EVs tomorrow when and if they can be profitable.
And please don’t bang on about Tesla being profitable this quarter while forgetting how much money has been lost on every single car sold to date to even get to the point where the mass fulfilment of pre-orders might allow them to post some form of jigged number.
You are one of the wealthiest people on the planet, living in one of the most developed countries and you have not bought an EV. You’ve bought a hybrid. And you steadfastly ignore your own actions. You are the living proof as to why the established manufacturers are spending the bare minimum on EVs and writing that cost off as PR and Marketing while the real money keeps pouring into the ICE and hybrid products that everyone on the planet, including you actually want.
You can forget about which form is ahead or behind in tech. It’s irrelevant. Advances in drivetrain and batteries are pretty much incremental and can easily be compensated for by tweaking the monthly debt number. BMW doesn’t quite have the range of the comparable Merc? Just tweak the financing cost to make it look £10/month cheaper.
All that is really important is working out when in the West the consumer market will be large enough to justify applying real resources to.
And as for the super charger network across Europe etc? Our car industry is heavily supported by their Governments while at the same time the car industry pours a lot of money into Govt individuals to make sure what they want to happen does happen.
The supercharger network in the U.K. will end up being built by the State and paid for by the taxpayer unless there is a clear profit advantage in a marque or collection of marques investing in their own.
But Rob, do is all a favour and every time you go to post something which you know not to be true, just go and look at the hybrid on your drive and remind yourself that you are the living proof of the current size and commercial viability of the EV market.
RobDickinson said:
Yep its a phev, counted in the NZ EV stats (and pretty much everywhere else) so I'll count it too.
I even got sent an 'EV' sticker from the government!
What is it Rob?I even got sent an 'EV' sticker from the government!
Presumably your ‘garage’ hasn’t been updated for some while, it just lists some very old, heavy polluters; no PHEV, let alone a proper EV.
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