EGolf for 2 months...
Discussion
Max_Torque said:
Sure, but we were comparing two EV's. And what i was highlighting was that the losses in the powertrains are very similar on average, just a few single percentage points difference! The M5 vs Ka example fro ICE shows hugely different losses because of the vastly different frictional and parasitic losses between ICE powertrains of such different performance. But, compare say an i3 and a leaf, and i bet at any given roadload, the losses will come down to just a few hundred watts at most. This is why for an EV, it's all about minimising the roadload, rather than optmising the powertrain losses
Yes. Agree with you.I don't think, as a group, Hyundai drivers are just being more careful on the throttle. I think it is doing something different...surely the aero is a lot better? That is why they've cribbed the shape of the Prius rather than trying to keep a more conventional shape like the leaf/golf.
It has a pretty keen Cd of 0.24 doesn't it? And it's quite light.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Monday 1st January 10:43
The Leaf is certainly designed to a price point as much as an EV. You just have to look into the 'engine' bay and see how much empty space is in there and realise it could have been packaged so much better.
Whats more at anything close to 70mph efficiency falls off a cliff, especially in winter. I was seeing just over 3 miles per kWh. Yet in our Tesla, which is nearly 1ton heavier, significantly larger, quicker, and runs 264 section 20 inch tyres verus 206 15inch on the Leaf, at M way speeds consumption is almost identical.
The improved efficency of the Hyundai over a Tesla something i would expect to see given the size/performance/wheel between the two.
In short the Hyundai is showing just how efficent the Leaf should be.
Whats more at anything close to 70mph efficiency falls off a cliff, especially in winter. I was seeing just over 3 miles per kWh. Yet in our Tesla, which is nearly 1ton heavier, significantly larger, quicker, and runs 264 section 20 inch tyres verus 206 15inch on the Leaf, at M way speeds consumption is almost identical.
The improved efficency of the Hyundai over a Tesla something i would expect to see given the size/performance/wheel between the two.
In short the Hyundai is showing just how efficent the Leaf should be.
The golf so far is averaging less than 3 mi per kWh. Dash says 2.7
To the poster who asked about the heater. I can confirm, it warms up fairly quick. I set to "Hi" and whilst it doesn't blow out hot air immediately, within about a minute or so you can feel nice warm air from the vents and then it gradually gets hotter as you go.
To the poster who asked about the heater. I can confirm, it warms up fairly quick. I set to "Hi" and whilst it doesn't blow out hot air immediately, within about a minute or so you can feel nice warm air from the vents and then it gradually gets hotter as you go.
Well first couple of odd issues...
Auto hold does not like our driveway. Three times now reversing down the drive and then moving into drive has then been met with warnings that auto hold has failed and the brake sticking on stopping the car from going anywhere.
Necessitates a key off - key on to clear. Will just leave auto hold off now.
The other problem might be the car,might be the charge point. The car failed to charge meaning my OH had to use another car to get to work.
The charging is something the trial is looking at so as part of our bit, we are incentivised to charge on an evening. To do this We have a web portal that is linked to our charge port and we use the portal to schedule charges or initiate charging. We are then scored based on when we charge. The car won't just charge when you plug in as you might ordinarily expect.
The car never charged. But the portal said it was indeed charging. I went outside to check and saw a green light on the wall box. The portal has even recorded the charge event which, strangely, ended when I took the cable out of the car this evening! So no idea if it's the wall box or the car or the web service! Hooing for better luck tonight!
Auto hold does not like our driveway. Three times now reversing down the drive and then moving into drive has then been met with warnings that auto hold has failed and the brake sticking on stopping the car from going anywhere.
Necessitates a key off - key on to clear. Will just leave auto hold off now.
The other problem might be the car,might be the charge point. The car failed to charge meaning my OH had to use another car to get to work.
The charging is something the trial is looking at so as part of our bit, we are incentivised to charge on an evening. To do this We have a web portal that is linked to our charge port and we use the portal to schedule charges or initiate charging. We are then scored based on when we charge. The car won't just charge when you plug in as you might ordinarily expect.
The car never charged. But the portal said it was indeed charging. I went outside to check and saw a green light on the wall box. The portal has even recorded the charge event which, strangely, ended when I took the cable out of the car this evening! So no idea if it's the wall box or the car or the web service! Hooing for better luck tonight!
Any questions at all, fire away.
Having driven it a bit more, I think its great.
You can live with this day to day quite easily. It behaves just like a normal car, looks like a normal car. Completely under the radar. To everyone else, its just your regular old Golf. Its not making a statement.
Performance is great and its been fun driving it and working out when to make use of "coasting" and when to make use of the "B" mode for stronger regen. You can, IMO, just about get away with 1-foot driving with the B mode in town I think. Its strength is well judged (unlike the i3, that sends you through the windscreen the minute you let off the pedal).
I notice in normal mode the car does actually seem to know where it is and what is coming up. I had the eco-driving tips screen up on the dash board and it tells you when to lift your foot off the accelerator and coast. You then see a graphic that basically counts you down to what is ahead such as a roundabout or a junction. I note as well that on my descent into the village, it will tell me to take my foot off the accelerator and it will coast down the hill, but it won't runaway, it starts applying a bit of regen to manage the speed so I end up doing a constant 30 mph down the hill. Regen picks up a little more as you approach the junction, but you do really need to get on the brakes yourself at that point.
I find the car best to drive in Eco mode weirdly. In Normal, the acceleration is strong and the general low level of noise etc leaves you with a poor sense of speed. This will probably take some time to adjust, but for now I find myself hurtling down country roads at nearly 80 mph, none the wiser. Until I look at the speedo and think "crikey!" or worse, arrive at a corner and suddenly realise I am going 20 MPH too fast for it. Again it rolls or coasts very well so you find that you can travel decent distances without touching the pedals, but it all adds to you going a bit too quick sometimes. In Eco mode, the pedal calibration means you just have to press that bit more and for me it works out much nicer for day to day driving and as a bonus, you get a little more range out of it.
The headlamps are something else. Its LED all round on this car, but dipped beam is great with a nice cut off. Full beam is like driving in the daytime. Best headlamps I have ever used. Absolutely fantastic on the country roads when there is no lighting of any kind.
Its a comfy car as well. I bemoaned the lack of heated seats on ours but its not been a problem. The cab seems to get warm quick enough if you need it. As well, having driven the GTE and a normal GT model with their deeper, more sculpted sports seats, the flat looking things fitted to the eGolf looked like they might be a little more unforgiving. But again, they're perfectly comfy.
Infotainment is the infotainment. Generally pretty good. Ours has the big wide glass fronted touch screen. its fast, clear and responsive. I will say though that its very difficult to use on the move. Many of the icons are a little small and there are no physical buttons flanking the screen as in the older systems. The capacitive "Home", "Menu", "On/Off" and volume buttons are part of the screen bezel but they are located on the passenger side which is a bit of a sod as it means you need to reach for them. Coupled with the small icons on some of the displays, it makes them very hard to hit on the move. You can't use it by feel like with physical buttons. But you can alter radio stations or music tracks from the menu on the dashboard via steering wheel buttons so thats OK. Its also got Android Auto and Apple CarPlay if you want those.
The Active Cruise is awesome. You can just about let the car do all the throttle/braking for you and you just turn the wheel. Its probably more for motorway use but I used it to go through town the other day and it stops/starts/moves off all on its own and follows the car in front at a set distance.
I think you'll really like the car. I can't see how anyone wouldn't to be honest. Its so easy to use and so very well engineered. The only real blot on its score sheet seems to be the slightly juicy consumption when travelling on the motorway. Likely alleviated by just slowing down a little to 65 mph perhaps, but around the country lanes and town, its really very good.
Having driven it a bit more, I think its great.
You can live with this day to day quite easily. It behaves just like a normal car, looks like a normal car. Completely under the radar. To everyone else, its just your regular old Golf. Its not making a statement.
Performance is great and its been fun driving it and working out when to make use of "coasting" and when to make use of the "B" mode for stronger regen. You can, IMO, just about get away with 1-foot driving with the B mode in town I think. Its strength is well judged (unlike the i3, that sends you through the windscreen the minute you let off the pedal).
I notice in normal mode the car does actually seem to know where it is and what is coming up. I had the eco-driving tips screen up on the dash board and it tells you when to lift your foot off the accelerator and coast. You then see a graphic that basically counts you down to what is ahead such as a roundabout or a junction. I note as well that on my descent into the village, it will tell me to take my foot off the accelerator and it will coast down the hill, but it won't runaway, it starts applying a bit of regen to manage the speed so I end up doing a constant 30 mph down the hill. Regen picks up a little more as you approach the junction, but you do really need to get on the brakes yourself at that point.
I find the car best to drive in Eco mode weirdly. In Normal, the acceleration is strong and the general low level of noise etc leaves you with a poor sense of speed. This will probably take some time to adjust, but for now I find myself hurtling down country roads at nearly 80 mph, none the wiser. Until I look at the speedo and think "crikey!" or worse, arrive at a corner and suddenly realise I am going 20 MPH too fast for it. Again it rolls or coasts very well so you find that you can travel decent distances without touching the pedals, but it all adds to you going a bit too quick sometimes. In Eco mode, the pedal calibration means you just have to press that bit more and for me it works out much nicer for day to day driving and as a bonus, you get a little more range out of it.
The headlamps are something else. Its LED all round on this car, but dipped beam is great with a nice cut off. Full beam is like driving in the daytime. Best headlamps I have ever used. Absolutely fantastic on the country roads when there is no lighting of any kind.
Its a comfy car as well. I bemoaned the lack of heated seats on ours but its not been a problem. The cab seems to get warm quick enough if you need it. As well, having driven the GTE and a normal GT model with their deeper, more sculpted sports seats, the flat looking things fitted to the eGolf looked like they might be a little more unforgiving. But again, they're perfectly comfy.
Infotainment is the infotainment. Generally pretty good. Ours has the big wide glass fronted touch screen. its fast, clear and responsive. I will say though that its very difficult to use on the move. Many of the icons are a little small and there are no physical buttons flanking the screen as in the older systems. The capacitive "Home", "Menu", "On/Off" and volume buttons are part of the screen bezel but they are located on the passenger side which is a bit of a sod as it means you need to reach for them. Coupled with the small icons on some of the displays, it makes them very hard to hit on the move. You can't use it by feel like with physical buttons. But you can alter radio stations or music tracks from the menu on the dashboard via steering wheel buttons so thats OK. Its also got Android Auto and Apple CarPlay if you want those.
The Active Cruise is awesome. You can just about let the car do all the throttle/braking for you and you just turn the wheel. Its probably more for motorway use but I used it to go through town the other day and it stops/starts/moves off all on its own and follows the car in front at a set distance.
I think you'll really like the car. I can't see how anyone wouldn't to be honest. Its so easy to use and so very well engineered. The only real blot on its score sheet seems to be the slightly juicy consumption when travelling on the motorway. Likely alleviated by just slowing down a little to 65 mph perhaps, but around the country lanes and town, its really very good.
Otispunkmeyer said:
The only real blot on its score sheet seems to be the slightly juicy consumption when travelling on the motorway. Likely alleviated by just slowing down a little to 65 mph perhaps, but around the country lanes and town, its really very good.
It takes some time of using an EV to work out that "consumption" is almost entirely related to speed. Hence round town an EV can have a 50% larger range. To extend range - drive slower.Cold weather and uphill (even very slight) can have a very significant effect.
I went to a customers the other day and used over 50% of the range getting there, coming back was downhill, and I only used 30%. (eNV200).
The Leafs I have can do over 7 kilometres per kWh, even in winter - well over 4 miles per kWh. The eNV does 6.2 k/kWh driving as economical as possible, cold weather and speed will lower this considerably.
Drive to the range and charging times and there is nothing to beat an EV as far as cost per mile go.
Max M4X WW said:
Looking online the range of the E Golf seems to be around the 100 mile mark. I really need 150 minimum so may look at the i3 instead (but the boot is a lot smaller).
Why not the Hyundai Ioniq?Apparently 184 miles under WLTP for 2019/2020 MY.
I wanted an Ioniq Hybrid but the dealer messed me around so I ended up with a Fiesta ecoboost. :-(
xjay1337 said:
Max M4X WW said:
Looking online the range of the E Golf seems to be around the 100 mile mark. I really need 150 minimum so may look at the i3 instead (but the boot is a lot smaller).
Why not the Hyundai Ioniq?Apparently 184 miles under WLTP for 2019/2020 MY.
I wanted an Ioniq Hybrid but the dealer messed me around so I ended up with a Fiesta ecoboost. :-(
Max M4X WW said:
I will look at the new version once it is out, but I would rather something German ideally.
The Ioniq was really quite nice inside (I looked in 2017). I'm sure if anything it's better now.The SE-Premium one (the mid range) has all the spec you can ever want. Seems excellent value for money.
Don't be a snob lol
xjay1337 said:
Max M4X WW said:
I will look at the new version once it is out, but I would rather something German ideally.
The Ioniq was really quite nice inside (I looked in 2017). I'm sure if anything it's better now.The SE-Premium one (the mid range) has all the spec you can ever want. Seems excellent value for money.
Don't be a snob lol
Pica-Pica said:
Why German?
My company car list is VW or Audi only currently. I know VWFS will finance other brands but I assume German is more likely for the fleet department at work if I am going to have any chance of 'breaking the rules'.I will look at all three models - I had another look at the i3 at the BMW SS this morning and the cabin space seems fine but the boot isn't great (small family member on the way next year!).
Op, interesting to hear how the car (or shall we sayownership on the whole...) has gotten under your skin and normalised.
Chatting to a neighbour about getting in to one, who has an M5 of all things about the stonking deals to be had on the EGolf, (under £250 pm) and I see the top speed is 84mph ?
Whilst I know 'sufficient' for the laws of the land, how does the car behave 65mph and above to be used in the real world of traffic and dual carriageways / MWays ?
Interesting to know if it zooms to the 84mph and tops out, or crawls up to it.
Chatting to a neighbour about getting in to one, who has an M5 of all things about the stonking deals to be had on the EGolf, (under £250 pm) and I see the top speed is 84mph ?
Whilst I know 'sufficient' for the laws of the land, how does the car behave 65mph and above to be used in the real world of traffic and dual carriageways / MWays ?
Interesting to know if it zooms to the 84mph and tops out, or crawls up to it.
The3rdDukeofB said:
Op, interesting to hear how the car (or shall we sayownership on the whole...) has gotten under your skin and normalised.
Chatting to a neighbour about getting in to one, who has an M5 of all things about the stonking deals to be had on the EGolf, (under £250 pm) and I see the top speed is 84mph ?
Whilst I know 'sufficient' for the laws of the land, how does the car behave 65mph and above to be used in the real world of traffic and dual carriageways / MWays ?
Interesting to know if it zooms to the 84mph and tops out, or crawls up to it.
We have a Zoe and while acceleration above 70 mph is hardly exhilarating, it's an electronic limit at 86 mph on ours, not the motor running out of puff.Chatting to a neighbour about getting in to one, who has an M5 of all things about the stonking deals to be had on the EGolf, (under £250 pm) and I see the top speed is 84mph ?
Whilst I know 'sufficient' for the laws of the land, how does the car behave 65mph and above to be used in the real world of traffic and dual carriageways / MWays ?
Interesting to know if it zooms to the 84mph and tops out, or crawls up to it.
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