EVs and theft?
Discussion
stabilio said:
Are EVs more, less or no different to steal over regular ICE cars?
I'm seriously thinking of getting an EV but havn't heard anyone mention about possible thefts - or even if they are a target like other higher end cars?
I'm assuming for those EVs that use your phone as the key, theres maybe a little more security over someone nicking your keys as the phone will need unlocking too.
With all the tech in Evs too, if stolen, would they have some kind of in-built tracker via gps without actually buying a standalone tracker?
Teslas are incredibly desirable as stolen cars, there have been spates of thefts when literally dozens have been stolen especially around London (and this is when there were only a few thousand on the road - we’re talking theft rates of getting on for 1% of cars). The tracker can be disabled from the drivers seat in 5 seconds on an MS and MX. The cars end up in Lithuania and stripped for parts (just go on eBay - who’d have thought Lithuania was over run with salvage parts for right hand drive cars although the design of the car makes many parts suitable for left or right hand drive, and Teslas parts business is slow and expensive I'm seriously thinking of getting an EV but havn't heard anyone mention about possible thefts - or even if they are a target like other higher end cars?
I'm assuming for those EVs that use your phone as the key, theres maybe a little more security over someone nicking your keys as the phone will need unlocking too.
With all the tech in Evs too, if stolen, would they have some kind of in-built tracker via gps without actually buying a standalone tracker?
And of course you have the joy ride boys who steal for some Saturday night entertainment in a powerful car.
The owners group lobbied to get changes made and ‘pin to drive’ was introduced, but not everyone uses it and cars can still be lifted.
So there is a market, cars do get stolen quite a lot, the cars are stolen typically the same as other makes through relay attack of the key fob, or just stealing the keys, they’re trying to increase the security, and they have, a bit.. but it’s not fool proof..
Heres Johnny said:
Teslas are incredibly desirable as stolen cars, there have been spates of thefts when literally dozens have been stolen especially around London (and this is when there were only a few thousand on the road - we’re talking theft rates of getting on for 1% of cars). The tracker can be disabled from the drivers seat in 5 seconds on an MS and MX. The cars end up in Lithuania and stripped for parts (just go on eBay - who’d have thought Lithuania was over run with salvage parts for right hand drive cars although the design of the car makes many parts suitable for left or right hand drive, and Teslas parts business is slow and expensive
And of course you have the joy ride boys who steal for some Saturday night entertainment in a powerful car.
The owners group lobbied to get changes made and ‘pin to drive’ was introduced, but not everyone uses it and cars can still be lifted.
So there is a market, cars do get stolen quite a lot, the cars are stolen typically the same as other makes through relay attack of the key fob, or just stealing the keys, they’re trying to increase the security, and they have, a bit.. but it’s not fool proof..
Any evidence to support theses claims? I'd expect talk of that level of theft to be rife amongst the owners community but struggling to find any mention of it?And of course you have the joy ride boys who steal for some Saturday night entertainment in a powerful car.
The owners group lobbied to get changes made and ‘pin to drive’ was introduced, but not everyone uses it and cars can still be lifted.
So there is a market, cars do get stolen quite a lot, the cars are stolen typically the same as other makes through relay attack of the key fob, or just stealing the keys, they’re trying to increase the security, and they have, a bit.. but it’s not fool proof..
SWoll said:
Heres Johnny said:
Teslas are incredibly desirable as stolen cars, there have been spates of thefts when literally dozens have been stolen especially around London (and this is when there were only a few thousand on the road - we’re talking theft rates of getting on for 1% of cars). The tracker can be disabled from the drivers seat in 5 seconds on an MS and MX. The cars end up in Lithuania and stripped for parts (just go on eBay - who’d have thought Lithuania was over run with salvage parts for right hand drive cars although the design of the car makes many parts suitable for left or right hand drive, and Teslas parts business is slow and expensive
And of course you have the joy ride boys who steal for some Saturday night entertainment in a powerful car.
The owners group lobbied to get changes made and ‘pin to drive’ was introduced, but not everyone uses it and cars can still be lifted.
So there is a market, cars do get stolen quite a lot, the cars are stolen typically the same as other makes through relay attack of the key fob, or just stealing the keys, they’re trying to increase the security, and they have, a bit.. but it’s not fool proof..
Any evidence to support theses claims? I'd expect talk of that level of theft to be rife amongst the owners community but struggling to find any mention of it?And of course you have the joy ride boys who steal for some Saturday night entertainment in a powerful car.
The owners group lobbied to get changes made and ‘pin to drive’ was introduced, but not everyone uses it and cars can still be lifted.
So there is a market, cars do get stolen quite a lot, the cars are stolen typically the same as other makes through relay attack of the key fob, or just stealing the keys, they’re trying to increase the security, and they have, a bit.. but it’s not fool proof..
Edited by Heres Johnny on Sunday 17th November 09:36
Heres Johnny said:
You are kidding me? The numbers have fallen since pin to drive but the owners group has had plenty of stories and about thefts. Have also not found how they championed pin to drive to help combat the problem?
Why would I be kidding? Genuinely struggled to find more than 1 recent(ish) story about a theft and that was due to the owner not enabling PTD despite it being available from the look of it.https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/car-was-just...
Genuinely interested as my M3P will be arriving shortly and have always assumed that with the tech it would be far less of a target than similarly desirable ICE cars.
SWoll said:
Heres Johnny said:
You are kidding me? The numbers have fallen since pin to drive but the owners group has had plenty of stories and about thefts. Have also not found how they championed pin to drive to help combat the problem?
Why would I be kidding? Genuinely struggled to find more than 1 recent(ish) story about a theft and that was due to the owner not enabling PTD despite it being available from the look of it.https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/car-was-just...
Genuinely interested as my M3P will be arriving shortly and have always assumed that with the tech it would be far less of a target than similarly desirable ICE cars.
The PIN to drive has cut down a lot and thats been available for a year now as the relay theft attacks are thwarted by needing a pin to actually start the car, but its also an inconvenience to put it in (you may as well just turn off passive entry and need to use a key fob. The Model 3 has slightly better security. I wouldn't be concerned as a potential buyer, there's plenty you can do, but I wouldn't assume they're not unattractive as a theft item. What you don't get is cars tolen and ringed and put back on the road, but then most expensive car thefts are either used for joy riding, or stripped for parts or shipped off to africa and eatern europe - the same thing happens here.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/22816/nearly-every-s...
"According to historical data, only 139 Teslas have been stolen since 2011."
"Out of the 139 thefts, all but three have been recovered, working out to a recovery rate of just under 98 percent"
Ok this relates to America but still.
"According to historical data, only 139 Teslas have been stolen since 2011."
"Out of the 139 thefts, all but three have been recovered, working out to a recovery rate of just under 98 percent"
Ok this relates to America but still.
RobDickinson said:
https://www.thedrive.com/news/22816/nearly-every-s...
"According to historical data, only 139 Teslas have been stolen since 2011."
"Out of the 139 thefts, all but three have been recovered, working out to a recovery rate of just under 98 percent"
Ok this relates to America but still.
Totally irrelevant to the uk market then"According to historical data, only 139 Teslas have been stolen since 2011."
"Out of the 139 thefts, all but three have been recovered, working out to a recovery rate of just under 98 percent"
Ok this relates to America but still.
Do you think the whole pin to drive campaign was just a couple of cars going missing and a few overly enthusiastic owners getting carried away?
Do you think lifting it, putting it into a container and stripping it in eastern europe is solved by pin to drive?
Pin to drive is a great addition and wouldnt have taken much effort for tesla to add. Then you have the option of using it.
So you question my article and have said many teslas are stolen in UK/London. But offer no proof or evidence.
come on then.
Pin to drive is a great addition and wouldnt have taken much effort for tesla to add. Then you have the option of using it.
So you question my article and have said many teslas are stolen in UK/London. But offer no proof or evidence.
come on then.
Lets look at the data
https://www.gocompare.com/car-insurance/vehicle-th...
"In 2018, there were 25,684 vehicles reported stolen to police"
Wait what??? The chart stops at kia with 11 ??
WHERE ARE THE TESLAS???
https://www.gocompare.com/car-insurance/vehicle-th...
"In 2018, there were 25,684 vehicles reported stolen to police"
Wait what??? The chart stops at kia with 11 ??
WHERE ARE THE TESLAS???
Perhaps pin to drive fixed the problem? Lets look at 2017+2018.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-6...
"The majority of cars targeted are high-priced models from premium brands, such as Audi, BMW, Land Rover and Mercedes, which have strong resale values on foreign markets. "
Wait, they dont even mention tesla?
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-6...
"The majority of cars targeted are high-priced models from premium brands, such as Audi, BMW, Land Rover and Mercedes, which have strong resale values on foreign markets. "
Wait, they dont even mention tesla?
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