Nissan Leaf E+ Tekna 62kW

[granada203028]

charltjr said:

The second generation model was launched in 2018 and is by all accounts a much better car than the 2011 original.

The 62 is pretty close to base Model 3 money, but they are doing huge discounts and Tesla..... aren't

Hopefully the OP got a good deal as a quick search shows them available for £32k

Where from at 32K? Carwow is £39K

[Dave Hedgehog]

granada203028 said:

Where from at 32K? Carwow is £39K

there is a couple for 37k on trader

i would pay the small amount extra for the Tesla to get battery thermal management, better drive, better tech etc,

[anonymous-user]

Drive the deal had it at 32, but just checked again and Nissan has vanished entirely from their site. Typical! Broadspeed are saying £33k.

Would still probably go e-Niro, but there aren’t any available for months.

[granada203028]

Yes the e-Niro generally sounds a better car and £34.5K. I guess I need to join the waiting list.

[kambites]

I guess there's a reason the Niro and Kona have waiting lists and the Leaf doesn't. From what I've seen, even the MG ZS is a better car than the Leaf these days unless you need the extra range of the E+.

[dave_s13]

jamiehamy said:

I've ordered one today - on a whim really. £3k down, £172 a month, 24month lease. What's not to like? (it's a 40kwh one, so assuming old stock they want rid of).

Where from?

I'm contemplating another EV and was going to look at an E golf via the salary sacrifice scheme at work but from looking last week to now the price has gone up from 250odd per month to 400!! Doesn't sound right but????

A leaf is about 260.

But I'm very suspicious of these salary sacrifice schemes and would be more comfortable paying a bit more through a private arrangement. The long term effects on pension contributions are impossible to calculate so in not sure the net effect benefits anyone but the government.

Edited by dave_s13 on Saturday 11th January 18:15

[kambites]

£3k down and £172 a month over 24 months is £300 a month. If you can get one for £260 that's cheaper.

[dave_s13]

kambites said:

£3k down and £172 a month over 24 months is £300 a month. If you can get one for £260 that's cheaper.

Yeah but how do you work out what paying about £40 less per month (+ the employer contribution) ends up costing you in the long run?

I am tempted though. The work scheme also includes insurance, maintenance and tyres.

[dave_s13]

This doesn't look bad but I'm not sure this is comparable as it's not the bigger battery version. 40kw is more than enough for our use though.

[dmsims]

OP is doing about 34K mile p.a. commuting

[mazdajason]

dmsims said:

OP is doing about 34K mile p.a. commuting

Near enough, February - September will be c150miles a day and after that it will be less but i'd be on par for over 30K in a year if I kept it up.

[Smiljan]

caziques said:

Shouldn't be a problem.

Even in winter you should manage 4 miles per kWhr, theoretically 240 miles.

Low temperatures, high speed and using the heater chews through the power, if necessary drive slower!.

Nissan is a little less optomistic with their range calculations. Should be just about ok in summer if you start with 100% charge. In winter unlikely.

You'll probably have to factor in a quick pit stop on the way home, particularly if it's raining or you have a headwind. Of course you can reduce your speed and draft lorries but that'd get tiresome quickly doing 150 miles a day.

[gangzoom]

Smiljan said:

Nissan is a little less optomistic with their range calculations. Should be just about ok in summer if you start with 100% charge. In winter unlikely.

You'll probably have to factor in a quick pit stop on the way home, particularly if it's raining or you have a headwind. Of course you can reduce your speed and draft lorries but that'd get tiresome quickly doing 150 miles a day.

That's shocking low range for a small ish EV with a now quite a big battery!

Just as it happens I've just done a 160 mile trip, at 5 degrees, doing 65-70mph (giving door to door average speed 60mph), heating set to 22 degrees as my daughter was sleeping, in our 75D Model X which has 64kWh usable and got home with 10% left.



The Nissan website is suggesting in similar conditions the 62kWh Leaf will only manage 2.4 miles per kWh assuming 56kWh usable, that's awful efficiency/consumption. Its almost the perfect demonstration of why so many mainstream manufacturers are getting EVs wrong, just throwing in a bigger battery or even adding a heat pump is pointless if you cannot nail efficiency at higher speeds for long distance travel .

Don't forget to factor in 5% degredation at 30k ish miles, and also I assume x2 75 mile trips, and all EVs are less efficient when doing a cold start.

If the Nissan website is correct than doing 150 miles at 5 degrees will need you to slow to lorry tailgating speeds + little use of heating, and potentially still be arriving home close to 0%, not really what you want to be doing on a long commute home after work.

Not sure even the big battery Leaf will do what the OP needs.

Maybe look at the smaller battery Kona or new long range Zoe?? Both are much more efficient than the Leaf.

Edited by gangzoom on Monday 13th January 07:17

[gangzoom]

Looks like the Nissan Website is quite accurate, at an average of 60mph (70-75mph speed), real life range is around 150 miles similar to whats predicted by Nissan on their website.

It appears anything over a true 60mph and range on the Leaf plummits. If top speed during OPs commute is not much more than 60mph due to traffic they will be fine (average speed of sub 50mph), but forget doing 70mph+ (average speed of over 60mph).

https://youtu.be/0NUEvgI_VOA

[MrLou]

I drove my 24 kWh Leaf to work the other day, 69 miles, mostly motorway. M3, M4, into London.
I was drafting busses and had to charge on the way there and on the way home, I think it cost me an extra 45 minutes or so on the day.
I did it for the LOLz as had no time pressure that day, but it's not something I'll do again unless I'm forced to.
I was thinking that the 40kWh Leaf would solve this, seems not.

[M1C]

Another contented enough Leaf owner here.

My 2013 24kWh (facelift model) is the cheapest car I have ever run. Bought for about 5.5k in 5 months ago, it's got 87k miles.

If you rarely drive more than 60 miles, or have access to a second car, they're great.

I have done a 250 mile journey (round trip) in it, which did require some planning (and still ended up with some range anxiety), 4 charges - but i did it.

Wouldn't be in a hurry to do it again though!

I just think...if it fits your circumstances....it's great. I still enjoy it and dont regret the change, it's been a few months now.

For longer journeys though - i wouldn't have considered it. If you know roughly that most of your driving will be within it's limits...enjoy.

[mazdajason]

Some real conflict now. Some saying i'll get the 150 miles on one charge, others saying i'll have to charge half way or on the way back! Obviously ideally i'd not charge half way but if I have to then I have to because I really don't want to have to charge on the way home. Of my 75 miles each way, 50 of it is average speed cameras so i'll be sitting at 70mph then maybe i'll have to sit at 62-65mph and just accept it's going to take longer to get to work and back each day.

I really need a 24hr test drive and to do the drive one day I think.

[dmsims]

mazdajason said:

Some real conflict now. Some saying i'll get the 150 miles on one charge, others saying i'll have to charge half way or on the way back!

Bjorn did a real world 1000Km test: https://youtu.be/guEyn0va_cE

Driving at 110Km/h, 62mph

1st stop after 136 miles with 28% left on the battery, temp was 22C

[gangzoom]

dmsims said:

Bjorn did a real world 1000Km test: https://youtu.be/guEyn0va_cE

Driving at 110Km/h, 62mph

1st stop after 136 miles with 28% left on the battery, temp was 22C

So 165 miles at ideal conditions at slowish speeds - Now back in the real world, UK winter, 5 degrees, rain/wind like it tonight, you can knock 30% off+ easily so 110 mile 100-0% range.

The most important information of most EV drivers isn't the max range in summer, but the minimal range in winter, and how often you will push the minimal range barrier. Once in a while is probably OK, every day though quickly becomes tiresome.

To the OP, imagine having to faff with finding a working public charger on your commute home tonight, with wind/rain/cold/little light, than once you found a charger add another 30 minutes+ just sitting there listening to the wind/rain wishing you were home and not stuck with a car that's not got enough range for your daily commute.

Edited by gangzoom on Monday 13th January 18:46

[mazdajason]

I can only dream of 22*, I live in Aberdeen FFS! Although we've had a mild winter, today was cold and like you say I really don't want to be charging on my way home. Sadly I've pulled the trigger and chosen the vehicle but if it arrives and it isn't fit for purpose I do have the ability to return it. Guess i'll have to wait and see!

I spoke to our fleet time too and they said the car is still due to Nissan at the end of January, PDI'd and delivery scheduled for early Feb.