Maddie Goes Electric - A Beginner’s Guide - Fully Charged -
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rjg48 said:
Dave, how hard is it for you to understand that EV ownership isn't an option for millions of people in London, for one.
Of course, transition will take 10-15 years at least, but there is also a lot of crap spouted on here Honestly i hope nobody else ever buys one so i can keep cheap motoring till I retire, after that they can bring in £5 per mile road pricing
Dave Hedgehog said:
k6chris said:
Actually I have leart a lot - namely that the Hyundai Kona 64 KWH Premium is a bargain at £38,600........
in the context of the avg UK new car buyer it pretty much isfor the low income who shed its unobtanium, but then so is the avg UK new car
However the decisions I make when designing people's houses has a bigger impact on the climate than the car I drive.
Certain topics bring them all out.
Fact is at the current state of the art, electric isn't for everyone but that's the point of this video series really. Just because it's does not suit certain peoples use case doesn't make it bad.
Anyway, I'm a month into running a £5.5k 2014 Zoe. The service history shows it has cost it's previous owners pennies to service, I only need to charge it twice a week and the way it surges onto roundabouts is hilarious.
ETA When the f**k will people realise electric cars are as much about clean air in towns as saving polar bears? I don't care how much CO2 your house emits, I do care about breathing the sh*t your diesel pukes out
Fact is at the current state of the art, electric isn't for everyone but that's the point of this video series really. Just because it's does not suit certain peoples use case doesn't make it bad.
Anyway, I'm a month into running a £5.5k 2014 Zoe. The service history shows it has cost it's previous owners pennies to service, I only need to charge it twice a week and the way it surges onto roundabouts is hilarious.
ETA When the f**k will people realise electric cars are as much about clean air in towns as saving polar bears? I don't care how much CO2 your house emits, I do care about breathing the sh*t your diesel pukes out
Edited by giveitfish on Thursday 16th January 13:03
Daaaveee said:
Some of the replies on here though...
What I find more surprising - especially on here - is the absence of interest in learning or knowledge on a subject that garners such strong views. It almost feels like some sort of denial complex with folks jamming fingers in their ears blurting out “blah blah blah”My point really was that you're unlikely to get unbiased consumer advice from somewhere like Fully Charged, who are pretty partisan.
Personally, I think the transition to electric cars should be made as quickly as possible, if only to limit the possibility of legislation being introduced to penalise historic petrol cars.
However, you can't argue that the cars and the infrastructure aren't yet in place. I did suggest an electric car to my retired mother, but the additional purchase costs weren't outweighed by her marginal running costs.
I do worry that it will be the lower-income who suffer the greatest loss in quality of life. Those who don't have driveways who will instead be planning their life around the failing battery pack of a decade-old Nissan Leaf and adding an hour to their commute once a week to sit on a trading estate watching Netflix while it charges.
Apologies for driving a diesel, but we needed a pickup truck for the farm and, well...
Personally, I think the transition to electric cars should be made as quickly as possible, if only to limit the possibility of legislation being introduced to penalise historic petrol cars.
However, you can't argue that the cars and the infrastructure aren't yet in place. I did suggest an electric car to my retired mother, but the additional purchase costs weren't outweighed by her marginal running costs.
I do worry that it will be the lower-income who suffer the greatest loss in quality of life. Those who don't have driveways who will instead be planning their life around the failing battery pack of a decade-old Nissan Leaf and adding an hour to their commute once a week to sit on a trading estate watching Netflix while it charges.
Apologies for driving a diesel, but we needed a pickup truck for the farm and, well...
I thought the first episode was well done as it at least appears to have been filmed sort of in real time as she learns about the basics, some of the terminology and the cars on offers... rather than her acting it out after having already done loads of research and test drives etc, or just regurgitating press packs.
This is the sort of YouTube link I would send to my sisters, for example, whereas I wouldn’t have sent them most other YouTube efforts about EVs etc - they are mostly just far too nerdy or generic for the general public to take any interest in.
I would like to see her go into more detail about the economics of it all - so, working out the total cost of ownership of different cars (inc. petrol/diesel alternatives) for her circumstances, looking at different electricity tariffs to reduce costs, getting insurance quotes etc and then being upfront about her findings. Just simply having a rep from Driving Electric or the EV Experience Centre say it can work out cheaper isn’t going to convince a lot of people, and may not be true in some circumstances. I’m guessing this will be covered in more detail in later episodes.
This is the sort of YouTube link I would send to my sisters, for example, whereas I wouldn’t have sent them most other YouTube efforts about EVs etc - they are mostly just far too nerdy or generic for the general public to take any interest in.
I would like to see her go into more detail about the economics of it all - so, working out the total cost of ownership of different cars (inc. petrol/diesel alternatives) for her circumstances, looking at different electricity tariffs to reduce costs, getting insurance quotes etc and then being upfront about her findings. Just simply having a rep from Driving Electric or the EV Experience Centre say it can work out cheaper isn’t going to convince a lot of people, and may not be true in some circumstances. I’m guessing this will be covered in more detail in later episodes.
NDNDNDND said:
However the decisions I make when designing people's houses has a bigger impact on the climate than the car I drive.
To be honest that's exactly the point, we need to look at every aspect of human activity that impacts the environment and make changes accordingly, globally personal cars are a relatively small % of C02 but can be a big gain for an individuals impact NDNDNDND said:
I did suggest an electric car to my retired mother, but the additional purchase costs weren't outweighed by her marginal running costs.
The boat has probably sailed by the sounds of it, but was she set on buying - just as there have been some pretty good value lease offers on slightly older / run out models (eGolf, Leaf 40kWh) where the TCO could be lowish and without a high initial outlay - obviously a lot depends on mileage though.I’m reminded of this spreadsheet I made a while back for my own purposes to compare the costs of different ICE lease deals a few years back, and then about a year ago I used it to compare the estimated costs of potential used car purchases, and then more recently to compare the costs of the i3 I've now got.
Anyway, I thought I'd post it here as it could possibly be useful for others.
All you should need to do is fill in the relevant sections and it should automatically calculate the "amortised" monthly, and the overall monthly cost, and the average cost per mile taking into consideration all factors.
It was created with ICE cars in mind, so it needed some work to adapt it for EVs, but it can be made to work.
For my i3 - which I've added into it - I've manipulated the 'MPG' to reflect the actual average electricity cost of 2.5p per mile that I've experienced to date.
As far as I understand Google Sheets, you need to download a copy of the spreadsheet via the link so that you can then use it as you wish in your Sheets account, Excel or Apple Numbers.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ARUrS7YaFM...
(Note - most, if not all of the lease deal offers in it already are probably old ones that have expired now)
Anyway, I thought I'd post it here as it could possibly be useful for others.
All you should need to do is fill in the relevant sections and it should automatically calculate the "amortised" monthly, and the overall monthly cost, and the average cost per mile taking into consideration all factors.
It was created with ICE cars in mind, so it needed some work to adapt it for EVs, but it can be made to work.
For my i3 - which I've added into it - I've manipulated the 'MPG' to reflect the actual average electricity cost of 2.5p per mile that I've experienced to date.
As far as I understand Google Sheets, you need to download a copy of the spreadsheet via the link so that you can then use it as you wish in your Sheets account, Excel or Apple Numbers.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ARUrS7YaFM...
(Note - most, if not all of the lease deal offers in it already are probably old ones that have expired now)
Edited by MaxSo on Thursday 16th January 13:47
Terminator X said:
I appreciate you guys may hate on me here but I still don't know a single person who wants an electric car. Where is all the demand?
TX.
Funny, you sound just like any number of people who said they didn't know anyone who was voting Conservative so clearly they were going to lose the GE.TX.
Assuming your small circle of friends/colleagues is representative of the population in general is never advisable.
Dave Hedgehog said:
rjg48 said:
Dave, how hard is it for you to understand that EV ownership isn't an option for millions of people in London, for one.
Of course, transition will take 10-15 years at least, but there is also a lot of crap spouted on here Honestly i hope nobody else ever buys one so i can keep cheap motoring till I retire, after that they can bring in £5 per mile road pricing
You’re quite worried that you’ve done the wrong thing aren’t you?
NDNDNDND said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
god no, i love it, best car i have owned by a mile and so cheap
hmm
yeah its s
t and i'm stuck with the bloody thing
I think we've already established that your definition of 'cheap' isn't the same as everyone else's...hmm
yeah its s
t and i'm stuck with the bloody thing Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff