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Funk said:
Why don't chargers offer a simple 'Pay at Pump' style affair where you just put your debit/credit card in, enter the PIN, it pre-authorises up to £xx and off you go? Why all this crap about having to set up accounts?
All new installs have to support pay-at-pump, since some time last year I believe. kambites said:
Funk said:
Why don't chargers offer a simple 'Pay at Pump' style affair where you just put your debit/credit card in, enter the PIN, it pre-authorises up to £xx and off you go? Why all this crap about having to set up accounts?
All new installs have to support pay-at-pump, since some time last year I believe. Justin Case said:
Why should you have to plan? There should be no reason why you can't just fill up, pay by contactless card and drive off. After all It works perfectly well for petrol and diesel.
I went to fill up with petrol today and one petrol station was closed while it was replenished and another had 50% of its pumps out of action for what I needed.....and that's with a century of getting the infrastructure sorted.Electricity supply will get there. And it won't take anywhere near a century. But for now it seems some planning is required.
We don't have a god given right for this stuff. Things take time. Nobody's forced to buy an EV (I haven't got one. Yet).
red_slr said:
ChocolateFrog said:
How much did your electricity actually cost when you could get some?
We're getting an ID3 because the lease deal is stupidly cheap but I don't envisage ever charging it away from home.
40p / kWWe're getting an ID3 because the lease deal is stupidly cheap but I don't envisage ever charging it away from home.
ChocolateFrog said:
Not as extortionate as I thought it might be. I'd heard of 69 or 79p/kW at some chargers.
Only Ionity (rack rate is 69p/kWh IIRC) unless you’ve bought a car produced by the brands that fund them and are part of one of their discount schemes.Edited by danp on Tuesday 6th July 00:02
ChocolateFrog said:
red_slr said:
ChocolateFrog said:
How much did your electricity actually cost when you could get some?
We're getting an ID3 because the lease deal is stupidly cheap but I don't envisage ever charging it away from home.
40p / kWWe're getting an ID3 because the lease deal is stupidly cheap but I don't envisage ever charging it away from home.
TheDrownedApe said:
ChocolateFrog said:
red_slr said:
ChocolateFrog said:
How much did your electricity actually cost when you could get some?
We're getting an ID3 because the lease deal is stupidly cheap but I don't envisage ever charging it away from home.
40p / kWWe're getting an ID3 because the lease deal is stupidly cheap but I don't envisage ever charging it away from home.
Still 10-15p per mile dependent on EV so OK for occasional use but wouldn't want to rely ln it that's for sure.
Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 6th July 08:34
Go on I will bite.
Why? It works as an ev perfectly well yes it is not the most efficient but I manage long journeys well, as folks have said with.a little planning.
The issue is not the car 200 to 250 miles range is achievable depending on season and weather. The issue is the poorly implemented and less than totally reliable charging framework in the UK and the resulting charger anxiety.
Ecotricity has always been a problem, but that's not unique to the Ipace. Setting an account up for a couple of key networks - BP Pulse, shell recharge & geniepoint as well as ecotriciry/gridserve BEFORE you travel is a one time thing. Couple with instavolt and that should be all you need, along with a little planning.
Aditionally sitting for 90 minutes on a public charger is unlikely to be the best charging scheme, running an EV between 20 & 80 percent and topping up as you travel is a by far better use of time in any EV.
As with switching between manual and auto, driving an ev is a different experience though it does have a larger learning curve.
The Ipace is a cracking car, but not necessarily the best eV - it is also far from the worst.
Why? It works as an ev perfectly well yes it is not the most efficient but I manage long journeys well, as folks have said with.a little planning.
The issue is not the car 200 to 250 miles range is achievable depending on season and weather. The issue is the poorly implemented and less than totally reliable charging framework in the UK and the resulting charger anxiety.
Ecotricity has always been a problem, but that's not unique to the Ipace. Setting an account up for a couple of key networks - BP Pulse, shell recharge & geniepoint as well as ecotriciry/gridserve BEFORE you travel is a one time thing. Couple with instavolt and that should be all you need, along with a little planning.
Aditionally sitting for 90 minutes on a public charger is unlikely to be the best charging scheme, running an EV between 20 & 80 percent and topping up as you travel is a by far better use of time in any EV.
As with switching between manual and auto, driving an ev is a different experience though it does have a larger learning curve.
The Ipace is a cracking car, but not necessarily the best eV - it is also far from the worst.
This kind of thing is the problem with being an early adopter, it's just the way it is. Most likely it'll improve.
Maybe 100 years ago back in 1921 people with these still new petrol powered cars were experiencing the same problems with finding somewhere that sells petrol, spark plugs wearing out during a journey, other things breaking due to poor reliability. Meanwhile people with horses saying "well I don't have these problems, I can just take a bag of feed with me or lead the horse to some grass if it gets hungry, my horse doesn't need new spark plugs, plus my horse is much cheaper than one of these cars, I'll stick with my horse thankyou very much".
Maybe 100 years ago back in 1921 people with these still new petrol powered cars were experiencing the same problems with finding somewhere that sells petrol, spark plugs wearing out during a journey, other things breaking due to poor reliability. Meanwhile people with horses saying "well I don't have these problems, I can just take a bag of feed with me or lead the horse to some grass if it gets hungry, my horse doesn't need new spark plugs, plus my horse is much cheaper than one of these cars, I'll stick with my horse thankyou very much".
SWoll said:
Still 10-15p per mile dependent on EV so OK for occasional use but wouldn't want to rely ln it that's for sure.
Surely most EVs sit in the 3-4 miles/kwh sort of range? I can't imagine many average as low as 2? ETA: Or were you referring to the 40p/kwh in the earlier post rather than the 30 shown in the picture?
Evanivitch said:
danp said:
Unfortunately I don’t believe it’s compulsory, Ionity for example aren’t contactless (RFID card/ app/ website).
It is mandated by law they must have contactless available on new installations.and
“The government has today (15 July 2019) set out that it wants to see all newly installed rapid and higher powered chargepoints provide debit or credit card payment by spring 2020.”
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/all-new-rapid-c...
(Note the “should” and the “wants”).
If you look at Ionity Alnwick (near Newcastle) that doesn’t offer contactless, and went live in May 2021.
red_slr said:
oop north said:
I would always advise anyone to do a bit more planning than the op did - get your apps downloaded and set up with payment card in advance of travelling.
Planning... you know me... its a case of point it in roughly the right direction It is like having an old 70s car with a shagged waterpump.
-around town no question, suburbia its great.
-Want to go somewhere odd, out of your bubble you are scanning a map to see where you can stop after a couple of hours. Can we swing by your Aunts place overnight to use the utilities without seeming as though the car is the motivator, as you try to remember if they have an outside socket?
-With the Aunt being out of the question, you propose stopping at random towns or places for 30-50 minutes, no not for the car No. I love walks in Mid Century villages or industrial estates.
-You are then approached by Locals with EVs, they want to know why you are taking so long at the charge point. They want to know the condition of your car and where you are going as they want to use the only charger that works. So you cut the time short.
-Having taken their advice you then realise yours is the thirstier car than the spec they have. You drive like a priest on everything other than downhills, you are thinking momentum without making the kids sick.
- Now A/C is a treat, it should be used sparingly, you have the fan on minimum and now know why the last guy had a fabric interior. Coasting into a town you feel resplendent, you drop all the windows to let the breeze thru because you have all suffered to get through to here.
-When you get to the fast charge point there is another car there, you send the Mrs to walk to get ice creams to cool off as now like a pilot you calculate the range and 10% so you should get there on 66%. You aim for 70% as this should give you enough to get there and open up the taps on the bits you look at on the map.
georgeyboy12345 said:
This kind of thing is the problem with being an early adopter, it's just the way it is. Most likely it'll improve.
Maybe 100 years ago back in 1921 people with these still new petrol powered cars were experiencing the same problems with finding somewhere that sells petrol, spark plugs wearing out during a journey, other things breaking due to poor reliability. Meanwhile people with horses saying "well I don't have these problems, I can just take a bag of feed with me or lead the horse to some grass if it gets hungry, my horse doesn't need new spark plugs, plus my horse is much cheaper than one of these cars, I'll stick with my horse thankyou very much".
Valid point, however Maybe 100 years ago back in 1921 people with these still new petrol powered cars were experiencing the same problems with finding somewhere that sells petrol, spark plugs wearing out during a journey, other things breaking due to poor reliability. Meanwhile people with horses saying "well I don't have these problems, I can just take a bag of feed with me or lead the horse to some grass if it gets hungry, my horse doesn't need new spark plugs, plus my horse is much cheaper than one of these cars, I'll stick with my horse thankyou very much".
We are all supposed to be buying these cars from 2030 and there's a lot more of us about needing transport than there was at the turn of the last century.
We have 8 years to make this work, and it all seems to be a bit random and chaotic.
It is going to need pushing along by some strong legislation/ incentives for charging providers, if its left up to a few players all doing their own thing it will be a useless mess.
These charging points need to be appearing at the 100s per week not per month to get anywhere close to what will be needed.
Interesting thread, and very relevant as we are collecting a new MB EQA250 today.
My rationale all along is that this will be a car that will be only used for the short, local trips only and usually well within its range. It is highly unlikely any trips longer than its range will be needed as we have other cars for that.
What we found is that getting a home charger is more difficult than we thought, and this means we have ended up with a car that we have arriving some time before we know we can get a home charging point fitted. We should have done it the other way around, of course, but you live and learn. We apparently need a different type of fuse and our fuse board has to be reconfigured for the installation to go ahead.
The car does have a standard 3 pin domestic socket charging lead but that takes 30 hours for a full charge so we will be, until the home charging point (BP Pulse, FOC as part of the deal) is finally fitted it will spend every hour it's not being used parked on the driveway trickle charging. For the journeys it does this should be just about enough.
minghis said:
Interesting thread, and very relevant as we are collecting a new MB EQA250 today.
My rationale all along is that this will be a car that will be only used for the short, local trips only and usually well within its range. It is highly unlikely any trips longer than its range will be needed as we have other cars for that.
What we found is that getting a home charger is more difficult than we thought, and this means we have ended up with a car that we have arriving some time before we know we can get a home charging point fitted. We should have done it the other way around, of course, but you live and learn. We apparently need a different type of fuse and our fuse board has to be reconfigured for the installation to go ahead.
The car does have a standard 3 pin domestic socket charging lead but that takes 30 hours for a full charge so we will be, until the home charging point (BP Pulse, FOC as part of the deal) is finally fitted it will spend every hour it's not being used parked on the driveway trickle charging. For the journeys it does this should be just about enough.
We're likely to be in the same boat, we should be getting our Volvo XC40 P8 this month, but no news yet on the free Shell New Motion home charger install. My rationale all along is that this will be a car that will be only used for the short, local trips only and usually well within its range. It is highly unlikely any trips longer than its range will be needed as we have other cars for that.
What we found is that getting a home charger is more difficult than we thought, and this means we have ended up with a car that we have arriving some time before we know we can get a home charging point fitted. We should have done it the other way around, of course, but you live and learn. We apparently need a different type of fuse and our fuse board has to be reconfigured for the installation to go ahead.
The car does have a standard 3 pin domestic socket charging lead but that takes 30 hours for a full charge so we will be, until the home charging point (BP Pulse, FOC as part of the deal) is finally fitted it will spend every hour it's not being used parked on the driveway trickle charging. For the journeys it does this should be just about enough.
bristolracer said:
Valid point, however
We are all supposed to be buying these cars from 2030 and there's a lot more of us about needing transport than there was at the turn of the last century.
We have 8 years to make this work, and it all seems to be a bit random and chaotic.
It is going to need pushing along by some strong legislation/ incentives for charging providers, if its left up to a few players all doing their own thing it will be a useless mess.
These charging points need to be appearing at the 100s per week not per month to get anywhere close to what will be needed.
I was sent a survey asking what I thought about local plans to install a few hundred chargers (covering about 3 million people). I asked them if they left off a few 0s from the numbers they were talking about. We are all supposed to be buying these cars from 2030 and there's a lot more of us about needing transport than there was at the turn of the last century.
We have 8 years to make this work, and it all seems to be a bit random and chaotic.
It is going to need pushing along by some strong legislation/ incentives for charging providers, if its left up to a few players all doing their own thing it will be a useless mess.
These charging points need to be appearing at the 100s per week not per month to get anywhere close to what will be needed.
Diderot said:
minghis said:
Interesting thread, and very relevant as we are collecting a new MB EQA250 today.
My rationale all along is that this will be a car that will be only used for the short, local trips only and usually well within its range. It is highly unlikely any trips longer than its range will be needed as we have other cars for that.
What we found is that getting a home charger is more difficult than we thought, and this means we have ended up with a car that we have arriving some time before we know we can get a home charging point fitted. We should have done it the other way around, of course, but you live and learn. We apparently need a different type of fuse and our fuse board has to be reconfigured for the installation to go ahead.
The car does have a standard 3 pin domestic socket charging lead but that takes 30 hours for a full charge so we will be, until the home charging point (BP Pulse, FOC as part of the deal) is finally fitted it will spend every hour it's not being used parked on the driveway trickle charging. For the journeys it does this should be just about enough.
We're likely to be in the same boat, we should be getting our Volvo XC40 P8 this month, but no news yet on the free Shell New Motion home charger install. My rationale all along is that this will be a car that will be only used for the short, local trips only and usually well within its range. It is highly unlikely any trips longer than its range will be needed as we have other cars for that.
What we found is that getting a home charger is more difficult than we thought, and this means we have ended up with a car that we have arriving some time before we know we can get a home charging point fitted. We should have done it the other way around, of course, but you live and learn. We apparently need a different type of fuse and our fuse board has to be reconfigured for the installation to go ahead.
The car does have a standard 3 pin domestic socket charging lead but that takes 30 hours for a full charge so we will be, until the home charging point (BP Pulse, FOC as part of the deal) is finally fitted it will spend every hour it's not being used parked on the driveway trickle charging. For the journeys it does this should be just about enough.
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