Hybrid cars using charging points?
Discussion
aestetix1 said:
It's generally fine as long as you don't wonder off and abandon the car on the charger. The biggest thing that winds people up waiting to charge is not knowing how long they are going to be there. If you are around to say "I just need another couple of minutes" then they will usually be fine with it. If they see a PHEV plugged in, pulling 3kW from a rapid and the owner not in sight, they might be tempted to hit the emergency stop.
If I'm charging a PHEV, it'll be for the duration of my visit, whether it be IKEA , a supermarket, or somewhere else. I'm not standing by car waiting for it to charge up.lornemalvo said:
If I'm charging a PHEV, it'll be for the duration of my visit, whether it be IKEA , a supermarket, or somewhere else. I'm not standing by car waiting for it to charge up.
As per the previous comments, as long as you are not using a rapid charger, I don't see any problem with that.Not a problem on slow/destination charge points, it’s what they’re there for.
AC on a rapid charger is for cars like Zoes that can do 22 or 43kw AC, and is pretty rude to tie up one of those for hours while your PHEV sips away at 3.6 or 7kw.
The main factor though is that anywhere you have to pay for electricity is likely to cost more than doing the same miles on petrol.
AC on a rapid charger is for cars like Zoes that can do 22 or 43kw AC, and is pretty rude to tie up one of those for hours while your PHEV sips away at 3.6 or 7kw.
The main factor though is that anywhere you have to pay for electricity is likely to cost more than doing the same miles on petrol.
For slow destination chargers I can't see the issue. A PHEV is just as entitled to it as a full EV. An EV is unlikely to be using one for an emergency top up anyway as they'd be using a DC rapid charger.
For rapid chargers it would be pointless and also very few circumstances where it would actually happen as the vast majority of PHEVs charge on AC only, and rapid (43kW) AC chargers are quite rare compared to CCS2, and not much use to most EV drivers anyway as they'd be using DC (Renault Zoe excepted).
It would be an epic waste of money to pay rapid rates for a 43kW AC point when you're only going to pull 3 or 7kW from it and have a combustion engine backup!
For rapid chargers it would be pointless and also very few circumstances where it would actually happen as the vast majority of PHEVs charge on AC only, and rapid (43kW) AC chargers are quite rare compared to CCS2, and not much use to most EV drivers anyway as they'd be using DC (Renault Zoe excepted).
It would be an epic waste of money to pay rapid rates for a 43kW AC point when you're only going to pull 3 or 7kW from it and have a combustion engine backup!
lornemalvo said:
If I'm charging a PHEV, it'll be for the duration of my visit, whether it be IKEA , a supermarket, or somewhere else. I'm not standing by car waiting for it to charge up.
Do PHEV let you know when they have a full charge? If so I think it would be very inconsiderate to not move it on when complete and let others have use of the chargerRozzers said:
My take is that many of these are generally provided to prevent pollution, not to enable long journeys. The latter being the preserve of the rapid charger or home charger.
There is one public charger in out village, the same Tesla is attached to it for 12 hours every night…..
This is definitely going to be an issue around here, we have a lot of terraced houses (think old mill village) The council currently plans for just one charging point, so the first one home will get the EV charging point, everyone else will have to trail cables.There is one public charger in out village, the same Tesla is attached to it for 12 hours every night…..
I can see charging cables being disconnected, maybe even some handbags at dawn, and the local Facebook group will go into meltdown.
The good news is the local crematorium has two EV charging points in its relatively small car park.
Ardennes92 said:
Do PHEV let you know when they have a full charge? If so I think it would be very inconsiderate to not move it on when complete and let others have use of the charger
Our two (BMW X1 xDrive25e, and Passat GTE Advance) both have an app. They both alert me on phone/watch when complete (assuming signal).This whole debate is probably moot anyway. If charger hogging becomes a limiting factor then the network will just increase the use of charging extra for leaving the car there. Some already do.
This is the sort of problem that isn't a real problem today, and easily solved if it becomes one tomorrow.
This is the sort of problem that isn't a real problem today, and easily solved if it becomes one tomorrow.
williaa68 said:
I would be very interested to know if anyone has worked this out. There is a charger at the gym but it is 50p kw/h. Is it worth plugging our Volvo XC90 phev in at this price?
My 18kwh cayenne can do about 30 miles on electric and gets about 20mpg if I drive it without any charge. 18x£.5 = £9
30 miles at 20mpg =6.8 litres x£1.5=£10.2
williaa68 said:
I would be very interested to know if anyone has worked this out. There is a charger at the gym but it is 50p kw/h. Is it worth plugging our Volvo XC90 phev in at this price?
According to the web, an XC90 can only charge at a maximum of 3.7kWh. At 50p / kWh that charger is likely at least a 50kw charger using CCS plug anyway, which won't fit the socket on your car. If it's a Type 2 charger then it's expensive. It'll take you 3 hours to charge no matter how fast the charger is. It'll cost you about £6 to use but are you really there for 3 hours?Not worth it.
williaa68 said:
Tomanybikes said:
How much does it cost to charge for those 20 odd miles at public chargers?
I would be very interested to know if anyone has worked this out. There is a charger at the gym but it is 50p kw/h. Is it worth plugging our Volvo XC90 phev in at this price?SWoll said:
It will almost certainly cost you more than just driving home on the petrol in your tank. From reviews I've seen < 2 miles per kWh is likely so that's 30p per mile. You'd need to be doing < 22mpg at current prices on petrol alone for it to be worthwhile as the poster above mentions for his Cayenne.
I’ve averaged 3.4mi/kwh with the X1 on battery alone.stef1808 said:
My 18kwh cayenne can do about 30 miles on electric and gets about 20mpg if I drive it without any charge.
18x£.5 = £9
30 miles at 20mpg =6.8 litres x£1.5=£10.2
There are charging losses you need to calculate. The amount of energy lost depends on charging speed and type of charger, but 5-10% is a reasonable estimate.18x£.5 = £9
30 miles at 20mpg =6.8 litres x£1.5=£10.2
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