Hyundai Ioniq 6

[ZesPak]

ThomW said:

gangzoom said:

They are all starting to look the same aren't they, with everyone focused in on aero surely all 'design' language is going to end up the same as the wind-tunnel is going to dictate how everything looks. Assuming all EVs continue to use the same motor/battery skateboard design underneath soon the only thing different between EVs will be the badge and infotainment system.

Those four cars are all completely different, stylistically. I’m not sure you could’ve chosen worse examples.

In fact most EVs in every sector certainly have their own look. You wouldn’t mistake an EQC for an I-pace for example.

I was thinking the same thing, maybe I'm too "into" these cars. But for me they all have four wheels and that's where the similarities end...

[DMZ]

I’m not sure I like it to look at but nice to see a manufacturer that’s doing different designs and no harm in playing on classic designs. Hyundai has also definitely nailed the EV stuff with very rapid charging and decent efficiency. It would be nice if they could step up on the driving bit as well. For me that’s more important than power sockets and lounge chairs, at least in a vehicle of this type. I guess it’s not positioned as a sports saloon, though.

[oop north]

gangzoom said:

ajap1979 said:

I'd much rather that ID.Aero.

They are all starting to look the same aren't they, with everyone focused in on aero surely all 'design' language is going to end up the same as the wind-tunnel is going to dictate how everything looks. Assuming all EVs continue to use the same motor/battery skateboard design underneath soon the only thing different between EVs will be the badge and infotainment system.

Should have gone to spec savers

[ajprice]

Moonpie21 said:

2 mins with paint… think that fixes my side view problem or all one colour maybe?

Moonpie21, Hyundai heard you . There's an N concept version called RN22e with grey painted sides and rear.

[Moonpie21]

ajprice said:

Moonpie21, Hyundai heard you . There's an N concept version called RN22e with grey painted sides and rear.

Sold. I'll have that one without the bolt on spoiler.

[cc3]

Hyundai taking a bit of a lead on electric? looking to be the main player will be bigger than Tesla ? Some interesting designs and performance versions.

[SWoll]

cc3 said:

Hyundai taking a bit of a lead on electric? looking to be the main player will be bigger than Tesla ? Some interesting designs and performance versions.

I think Kia might have something to say about that.

The big question for me is can the Korean manufacturers convince enough buyers to hand over £40-50k+ for their products, or in many cases monthly lease costs that are higher than Tesla, Polestar and BMW for comparable cars?

[kambites]

SWoll said:

cc3 said:

Hyundai taking a bit of a lead on electric? looking to be the main player will be bigger than Tesla ? Some interesting designs and performance versions.

I think Kia might have something to say about that.

The big question for me is can the Korean manufacturers convince enough buyers to hand over £40-50k+ for their products, or in many cases monthly lease costs that are higher than Tesla, Polestar and BMW for comparable cars?

Presumably by convincing them that their offerings are better than those of Tesla, Polestar, BMW, etc. That's the usual way to convince someone to buy your product over similarly priced competition. Rightly or wrongly, they certainly have a better reputation for reliability than BMW, Polestar or Tesla.

Edited by kambites on Friday 15th July 14:15

[CheesecakeRunner]

SWoll said:

I think Kia might have something to say about that.

The big question for me is can the Korean manufacturers convince enough buyers to hand over £40-50k+ for their products, or in many cases monthly lease costs that are higher than Tesla, Polestar and BMW for comparable cars?

Borderline at the moment. I looked at the EV6 and Ionic 5, and for equivalent performance and spec to a Model Y, the Koreans are more expensive to lease. About £100 per month more for 36+1 8k miles lease.

I think the EV6 in particular is a much nicer car than the Model Y though.

[SWoll]

kambites said:

Presumably by convincing them that their offerings are better than those of Tesla, Polestar, BMW, etc. That's the usual way to convince someone to buy your product over similarly priced competition. Rightly or wrongly, they certainly have a better reputation for reliability than BMW, Polestar or Tesla.

Edited by kambites on Friday 15th July 14:15

People leasing cars for 3 years don't really give much thought to reliability though, it'll be monthly costs that they are judged on and as mentioned above they aren't as attractive at present.

I've had personal experience with this via a number of friends/colleagues being given the choice on company car lists. Having seen the prices many of them immediately struck the Korean cars from their lists without any further research. They need to show more confidence in their GFV's if they are really going to upend the market IMHO.

[raspy]

page3 said:

I think it looks great, but like the Ioniq 5 it’s too long and too wide.

Can we have an Ioniq 4 please?

Isn't the Ioniq 5 very similar to dimensions of Model 3?

[raspy]

OutInTheShed said:

They like their silly lighting don't they?

Nasty.

It's aimed at "young" professionals who want more tech, including "silly" lighting.

[SWoll]

raspy said:

page3 said:

I think it looks great, but like the Ioniq 5 it’s too long and too wide.

Can we have an Ioniq 4 please?

Isn't the Ioniq 5 very similar to dimensions of Model 3?

Length wise it's shorter. It's quite a bit taller and wider though.

[kambites]

SWoll said:

People leasing cars for 3 years don't really give much thought to reliability though, it'll be monthly costs that they are judged on and as mentioned above they aren't as attractive at present.

True, although of course a long warranty and reputation for reliability does generally improve residuals which should in theory bring down leasing costs. Despite their recent progress I feel that the Koreans still haven't really got the hang of the UK market; not in their products (which are extremely good), but in the way they try to sell them. They have some of the strongest residuals out there yet their leasing costs are far higher than the European competition for a car of comparable list price.

I suspect they're still working on the assumption that leasing should, in itself, be profitable rather than being run at cost (if not at a loss) in order to shift more volume and increase control over used stock.

Edited by kambites on Friday 15th July 15:55

[SWoll]

kambites said:

SWoll said:

People leasing cars for 3 years don't really give much thought to reliability though, it'll be monthly costs that they are judged on and as mentioned above they aren't as attractive at present.

True, although of course a long warranty and reputation for reliability does generally improve residuals which should in theory bring down leasing costs. Despite their recent progress I feel that the Koreans still haven't really got the hang of the UK market; not in their products (which are extremely good), but in the way they try to sell them. They have some of the strongest residuals out there yet their leasing costs are far higher than the European competition for a car of comparable list price.

Indeed. They do also have the brand issue of course, which takes time to overcome. Very few people think £50k+ when you mention Kia/Hyundai, even in 2022 so even a slightly lower lease price would still bring challenges for mass adoption I'd suggest when Tesla and BMW are in the mix.

[kambites]

Perhaps, but right now Hyundai and Kia's offerings just seem more... desirable than anything coming out of BMW or Tesla, at least for me.

ETA: But then I'm not in the market for a new £50k car, so my opinion doesn't count for much.

Edited by kambites on Friday 15th July 16:06

[ian_c_uk]

A few different colours here.. I am rather taken with the purple:

https://youtu.be/UGlmdcS8bZU

[page3]

raspy said:

page3 said:

I think it looks great, but like the Ioniq 5 it’s too long and too wide.

Can we have an Ioniq 4 please?

Isn't the Ioniq 5 very similar to dimensions of Model 3?

Yes, but that’s also too big. Want something to replace the Ioniq Electric.

[Chromegrill]

ian_c_uk said:

A few different colours here.. I am rather taken with the purple:

https://youtu.be/UGlmdcS8bZU

Love the way it comes in ten colours yet eight of the ten are on the silver/grey/black palette. Are they pitching it to colourblind drivers?

[rodericb]

These have hit the wall here in Australia. There's apparently 600 in inventory (nine months worth of stock) and Hyundai are offering free upgrade to the next trim level.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/hyundai-ioniq-6-to-1...