New Lithium batteries with 3 times the storage

[RayTay]

France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by 2040'
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/france-pe...

German Lawmakers Vote To Ban Petrol And Diesel Cars By 2030:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/german-lawma...

Edited by RayTay on Friday 7th July 19:17

[MrJingles705]

RayTay said:

France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by 2040'
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/france-pe...

So... ignoring wednesday?

[TooMany2cvs]

RayTay said:

France will 'ban all petrol and diesel vehicles by 2040'
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/france-pe...

The reality of that has already been pointed out several times.

RayTay said:

German Lawmakers Vote To Ban Petrol And Diesel Cars By 2030:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/german-lawma...

Not quite... One chamber of the legislature voted to say they'd like to.
http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/transportation...

[RayTay]

TooMany2cvs said:

Not quite... One chamber of the legislature voted to say they'd like to.
http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/transportation...

So we are all going to abandon progress and have deisels everywhere?

[RayTay]

TooMany2cvs said:

Not quite... One chamber of the legislature voted to say they'd like to.
http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/transportation...

So we are all going to abandon progress and have deisels everywhere?

[TooMany2cvs]

RayTay said:

So we are all going to abandon progress and have deisels everywhere?

And that's the only alternative to having your misrepresentation pointed out to you, is it?

[Pvapour]

Volvo anounce their entire range will be electric & hybrid by 2019,

Porsche back down on their 'we'll never have electric in our range' statement.

VAG is throwing all available PD monies at ev (inc. charging infastructure).
There isnt a single employee within the VAG group that isnt working on something to do with making ev work .

[Dazed and Confused]

Pvapour said:

Volvo anounce their entire range will be electric & hybrid by 2019,
m
Porsche back down on their 'we'll never have electric in our range' statement.

VAG is throwing all available PD monies at ev (inc. charging infastructure).
There isnt a single employee within the VAG group that isnt working on something to do with making ev work .

Doesn't this have as much to do with Tesla's ridiculously overvalued shares, and people wanting a part of the action as anything else?

[98elise]

Dazed and Confused said:

Pvapour said:

Volvo anounce their entire range will be electric & hybrid by 2019,
m
Porsche back down on their 'we'll never have electric in our range' statement.

VAG is throwing all available PD monies at ev (inc. charging infastructure).
There isnt a single employee within the VAG group that isnt working on something to do with making ev work .

Doesn't this have as much to do with Tesla's ridiculously overvalued shares, and people wanting a part of the action as anything else?

Probably more to do with 400k orders for a car that nobody has driven yet. That's without company car sales, or finance deals.

Tesla have shown that people will buy EV's in droves. That's all that matters to manufactures.

If I worked in ICE drivetrain development I would be looking for a new career.

[Pvapour]

98elise said:

Dazed and Confused said:

Pvapour said:

Volvo anounce their entire range will be electric & hybrid by 2019,
m
Porsche back down on their 'we'll never have electric in our range' statement.

VAG is throwing all available PD monies at ev (inc. charging infastructure).
There isnt a single employee within the VAG group that isnt working on something to do with making ev work .

Doesn't this have as much to do with Tesla's ridiculously overvalued shares, and people wanting a part of the action as anything else?

Probably more to do with 400k orders for a car that nobody has driven yet. That's without company car sales, or finance deals.

Tesla have shown that people will buy EV's in droves. That's all that matters to manufactures.

If I worked in ICE drivetrain development I would be looking for a new career.

Exactly

And not just drive. Dev. ANY part of ice ind. will be in decline over the next 10 years, the ramifications are certainly being taken VERY seriously now behind closed doors, the panic by manufacturers that you won't read about is truly staggering & decisions backed by money astonishing and it's not just car manufacturers, BP, SHELL, Exon are all on similar drives with even bigger budgets.

Always been a petrol head but this is an incredibly exciting time and I'm really looking forward to full autonomous driving, it really is going to be a game changer, as much as the ice was I think

There's going to be a big coming together with new tech from solar, power walls and car batts. Houses will become the new power stations, forget about the grid handling things

Edited by Pvapour on Saturday 8th July 13:32

[NDA]

Being taxed off the road with fuel prices and road tax (I pay over £500 a year on a couple of my cars, despite them doing a very low mileage) is an incentive to buy a duracell car.

The government will then start taxing batteries. It's inevitable.

[Mr2Mike]

Pvapour said:

Always been a petrol head but this is an incredibly exciting time and I'm really looking forward to full autonomous driving,

I agree. The anticipation of an autonomous car making a terrible error and possibly killing you is certain to make things exciting.

If they prove to be safe and reliable, then it all becomes as exciting as a bus or train journey, and who doesn't get a thrill from that?

[Pvapour]

Mr2Mike said:

I agree. The anticipation of an autonomous car making a terrible error and possibly killing you is certain to make things exciting.

If they prove to be safe and reliable, then it all becomes as exciting as a bus or train journey, and who doesn't get a thrill from that?

Your fear makes you short sighted, like many.

[ruggedscotty]

The government will just start to tax the car and not bother with anything else, or it will start road charging, the switch to being charged per mile will be swift and ruthless. So much is being invested behind the scenes into tracking cars and seeing how they can implement a road charge, and by all accounts they are almost there with it.

[mybrainhurts]

Have I got this right...?

I keep dipping in and out, so I might have missed something, but...

Come the time every car is electric and takes at least 30 minutes to charge, if there's a 20 car queue at the filling station, I'll have to wait 10 hours to get to the front of the queue?

[ruggedscotty]

100 miles a minute is what we would have - no way it would be thirty minutes. thats too slow for the electric age...

[mybrainhurts]

ruggedscotty said:

100 miles a minute is what we would have - no way it would be thirty minutes. thats too slow for the electric age...

How is that going to happen?

[c6r]

NDA said:

Being taxed off the road with fuel prices and road tax (I pay over £500 a year on a couple of my cars, despite them doing a very low mileage) is an incentive to buy a duracell car.

The government will then start taxing batteries. It's inevitable.

this. lets be honest, EVs are the future. but they are popular now because they are cheap to run, because the electricity is not taxed. the uk gov takes in around 30bn a year in fuel duty. once 90% of cars are electric with almost nobody buying petrol that leaves a massive hole in the budget. are they really going to cut spending to make up for it? no. they will start taxing the car itself or the electricity or both. enjoy the cheap subsidized stuff while it lasts but don’t kid yourself why it is cheap.

[eldar]

c6r said:

this. lets be honest, EVs are the future. but they are popular now because they are cheap to run, because the electricity is not taxed. the uk gov takes in around 30bn a year in fuel duty. once 90% of cars are electric with almost nobody buying petrol that leaves a massive hole in the budget. are they really going to cut spending to make up for it? no. they will start taxing the car itself or the electricity or both. enjoy the cheap subsidized stuff while it lasts but don’t kid yourself why it is cheap.

Road pricing. A way to tax EVs and bicycles. Lovely revenue!

[Evanivitch]

c6r said:

this. lets be honest, EVs are the future. but they are popular now because they are cheap to run, because the electricity is not taxed. the uk gov takes in around 30bn a year in fuel duty. once 90% of cars are electric with almost nobody buying petrol that leaves a massive hole in the budget. are they really going to cut spending to make up for it? no. they will start taxing the car itself or the electricity or both. enjoy the cheap subsidized stuff while it lasts but don’t kid yourself why it is cheap.

I don't get a special rate on electricity because it's any different to any other car.

Did I buy an Ampera because it was cheap to run in my Up-80 mile, yes? Is it also a wonderfully refined and quiet place for a commuter car, definitely!