New Lithium batteries with 3 times the storage

[Mr2Mike]

Pvapour said:

Your fear makes you short sighted, like many.

No, a slight defect in my eyes makes me short sighted. My primary concern (it's not a fear) is one of terminal boredom in going from driver to passenger. If you can explain why I will find it exciting to be driven everywhere by an autonomous vehicle then please allay my concerns.

[anonymous-user]

Mr2Mike said:

I agree. The anticipation of an autonomous car making a terrible error and possibly killing you is certain to make things exciting.

Not really.. Today, every time you get in your car you may already be killed to death by another driver making a "terrible mistake".

So is your daily commute exciting? No, no it isn't...........

[TooMany2cvs]

Max_Torque said:

Mr2Mike said:

I agree. The anticipation of an autonomous car making a terrible error and possibly killing you is certain to make things exciting.

Not really.. Today, every time you get in your car you may already be killed to death by another driver making a "terrible mistake".

How will that change when YOU drive an autonomous car?

[Mr2Mike]

Max_Torque said:

Not really.. Today, every time you get in your car you may already be killed to death by another driver making a "terrible mistake".

If my observations/reactions don't allow me to avoid the consequences of another drivers mistake then at least it's my own fault.

Max_Torque said:

So is your daily commute exciting? No, no it isn't...........

Yes, particularly when I use the bike but even in the car it can be fun.

Edited by Mr2Mike on Sunday 9th July 11:25

[Pvapour]

Mr2Mike said:

Pvapour said:

Your fear makes you short sighted, like many.

No, a slight defect in my eyes makes me short sighted. My primary concern (it's not a fear) is one of terminal boredom in going from driver to passenger. If you can explain why I will find it exciting to be driven everywhere by an autonomous vehicle then please allay my concerns.

Yes actually. Your words that you anticipate something making a mistake and killing you, you're afraid and that fear (quite rightly as this is the reason for fear) backs you into a corner in terms of options.

Boredom? Are you kidding me? You can't think of anything to do in your own personal space where nobody can see you ? It won't be about driving pleasure anymore, it'll be about whatever you normally do in your life for pleasure wen not behind a steering wheel.

Or maybe you don't have a life beyond driving your car or riding your bike, I guess some people don't....

[Mr2Mike]

Pvapour said:

Yes actually. Your words that you anticipate something making a mistake and killing you, you're afraid and that fear (quite rightly as this is the reason for fear) backs you into a corner in terms of options.

No actually. My words were a sarcastic throwaway comment referring to the well publicised accidents with Teslas etc.

Pvapour said:

Boredom? Are you kidding me? You can't think of anything to do in your own personal space where nobody can see you ? It won't be about driving pleasure anymore, it'll be about whatever you normally do in your life for pleasure wen not behind a steering wheel.

Well I quite enjoy DIY, working on cars, making stuff in my workshop, and I enjoy walking and sometimes cycling. None of these things are particularly exciting though, which is why I greatly enjoy the involvement that driving and riding my bike gives.

Pvapour said:

Or maybe you don't have a life beyond driving your car or riding your bike, I guess some people don't....

I guess not, and I also guess that quite a few people have literaly no interest in driving at all, though I honestly don't know why they congregate on PH.

So what do you plan to do in an autonomous car that replaces the involvement that driving brings? It sounds like you are greatly looking forward to masturbating for the entire journey.

[otolith]

I left Swindon for Blackpool at 1pm on Friday, and arrived at quarter to seven. Nearly six hours of tedious mostly motorway traffic to travel 200 miles. That was after starting work at 5am in order to get a full day in before going away for the weekend. If I'd had the option of having a kip in the back while the car drove, damn right I'd have taken it.

[Green1man]

I've seen similar stories every year for the past five years or more and yet the actual capacity of Lithium Ion cells has only increased about 10% in that time. I hope there is something genuine in this story as it would be a bit of a game changer, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Pvapour]

Mr2Mike said:

I guess not, and I also guess that quite a few people have literaly no interest in driving at all, though I honestly don't know why they congregate on PH.

So what do you plan to do in an autonomous car that replaces the involvement that driving brings? It sounds like you are greatly looking forward to masturbating for the entire journey.

i guess there is i love driving, i love racing and will race historic cars in the not to distant future but for traveling from a - b autonomously if one chooses will be heaven sent as most journeys are a PITA, your idea of having a wk is not a bad one so thanks for that, i was thinking more about sex with my wife though followed by some scrabble or a good puzzle

be on board or don't, it really makes no difference to whats going to happen. Personally I like the fact that I have an open mind & can change and adopt to new ways quickly, it means i get on with enjoying life quicker & won't be sat there moaning about the loss of this and that, the fear of change holds so many people back.

[Evanivitch]

Mr2Mike said:

So what do you plan to do in an autonomous car that replaces the involvement that driving brings? It sounds like you are greatly looking forward to masturbating for the entire journey.

Add value to my time. I gain no enjoyment from driving on motorways and dual carriageways except for what I can listen to through the stereo. Which is why I've already gone to a PHEV to avoid having to listen to a diesel as well.

I have a fun car for fun driving on fun roads in my fun time.

[mybrainhurts]

Pvapour said:

Mr2Mike said:

I guess not, and I also guess that quite a few people have literaly no interest in driving at all, though I honestly don't know why they congregate on PH.

So what do you plan to do in an autonomous car that replaces the involvement that driving brings? It sounds like you are greatly looking forward to masturbating for the entire journey.

i guess there is i love driving, i love racing and will race historic cars in the not to distant future but for traveling from a - b autonomously if one chooses will be heaven sent as most journeys are a PITA, your idea of having a wk is not a bad one so thanks for that, i was thinking more about sex with my wife though followed by some scrabble or a good puzzle

be on board or don't, it really makes no difference to whats going to happen. Personally I like the fact that I have an open mind & can change and adopt to new ways quickly, it means i get on with enjoying life quicker & won't be sat there moaning about the loss of this and that, the fear of change holds so many people back.

You're being a bit selfish. You enjoy racing. If self driving cars become the norm, racing will disappear as nobody will know how to drive and future generations will be barred from something you can enjoy now.

[otolith]

mybrainhurts said:

You're being a bit selfish. You enjoy racing. If self driving cars become the norm, racing will disappear as nobody will know how to drive and future generations will be barred from something you can enjoy now.

Yes, it's a shame, If they hadn't become obsolete as a form of transport you would still be able to watch horse racing today.

[Pvapour]

otolith said:

mybrainhurts said:

You're being a bit selfish. You enjoy racing. If self driving cars become the norm, racing will disappear as nobody will know how to drive and future generations will be barred from something you can enjoy now.

Yes, it's a shame, If they hadn't become obsolete as a form of transport you would still be able to watch horse racing today.

Even if your theory played out, how on earth would they be missing racing cars if they don't even know how to drive
It's pretty safe to say that racing would still exist, Just in a different form, in the same way it exists today in a different form to 100 years ago, how's this evolution of the car so hard to grasp for people?

[Mr2Mike]

Pvapour said:

, how's this evolution of the car so hard to grasp for people?

If you are someone who only owns a car as some kind of status symbol, or sees it as an unwanted but necessary evil then the self driving car may be paradise. I have no idea why such people congregate on PH to discus their new shoes, but there you go.

For actual car enthusiasts (e.g. the people that started this place) driving is one of, if not the best part of owning a car. How are they meant to be celebrating at the thought of being delivered to work and back by a glorified washing machine?

[JD]

Pvapour said:

how's this evolution of the car so hard to grasp for people?

Not just that, but the hostility that accompanies it, It's almost fascinating isn't it?

I understand some people are afraid of change, but this topic seems to cause so much anger from the luddites it's unreal.

[Heres Johnny]

Pvapour said:

Yes actually. Your words that you anticipate something making a mistake and killing you, you're afraid and that fear (quite rightly as this is the reason for fear) backs you into a corner in terms of options.

Boredom? Are you kidding me? You can't think of anything to do in your own personal space where nobody can see you ? It won't be about driving pleasure anymore, it'll be about whatever you normally do in your life for pleasure wen not behind a steering wheel.

Or maybe you don't have a life beyond driving your car or riding your bike, I guess some people don't....

Boredom when driving a level 3 car is the challenge. Nothing to do other than be ready to step in when self driving gets it wrong. I suspect we'll max out at that level for quite a while as level 4 requires legal changes on accountability. Not saying change isn't coming, just acknowledging some pretty big realities.

[Pvapour]

JD said:

Pvapour said:

how's this evolution of the car so hard to grasp for people?

Not just that, but the hostility that accompanies it, It's almost fascinating isn't it?

I understand some people are afraid of change, but this topic seems to cause so much anger from the luddites it's unreal.

Anger is one of the primary reactions to fear I guess, easy to forget we dont evolve as fast as technology!

I remember an epsisode of downton abbey that covered the first public outing of the steam train, the fear and anger in its day was unreal! As you say, very amusing though, i honestly cant imagine my life without new and different things to keep me stimulated and feel like i'm moving forward.

Heres Johnny said:

Boredom when driving a level 3 car is the challenge. Nothing to do other than be ready to step in when self driving gets it wrong. I suspect we'll max out at that level for quite a while as level 4 requires legal changes on accountability. Not saying change isn't coming, just acknowledging some pretty big realities.

Agreed, once past that initial 'look ma no hands!' It will be quite tedious, a bit like quality control on a factory line conveyour belt, be interesting to see what they come up with for level 3 to keep the driver engaged, presumably the car will be monitoring our attention with cameras and pulling over if its not there, any info out there on this?

Edited by Pvapour on Tuesday 11th July 07:42

[Pvapour]

Mr2Mike said:

For actual car enthusiasts (e.g. the people that started this place) driving is one of, if not the best part of owning a car. How are they meant to be celebrating at the thought of being delivered to work and back by a glorified washing machine?

I'll try and put it more simply..

Autonomous cars will replace the tedious parts of driving,

There will be plenty of areas to still access the driving thrills you're so scared of loosing so dont worry

Maybe the problem is your lack of imagination as to how you'll get your driving thrills? Think of new possibilities that far exceed your favourite little B road blast on a sunday morning.

For instance, VR will be soo advanced and so real that you'll be able to partake in a historic Le Mans race of your choice in whatever car you desire, you wont be loosing stuff you did yesterday but gaining stuff you couldnt do yesterday, maybe even driving said race while your car is doing the boring comute

[Mr2Mike]

otolith said:

Because engines, gearboxes and emissions control systems are woven out of hemp?

Engines and gearboxes are made from steel and aluminium, you will still need these materials to produce EVs. The relatively small amounts of rare elements used in e.g. cats such as platinum, can be reclaimed. Back to you.

[Mr2Mike]

Pvapour said:

I'll try and put it more simply..

Autonomous cars will replace the tedious parts of driving,

There will be plenty of areas to still access the driving thrills you're so scared of loosing so dont worry

Maybe the problem is your lack of imagination as to how you'll get your driving thrills? Think of new possibilities that far exceed your favourite little B road blast on a sunday morning.

For instance, VR will be soo advanced and so real that you'll be able to partake in a historic Le Mans race of your choice in whatever car you desire, you wont be loosing stuff you did yesterday but gaining stuff you couldnt do yesterday, maybe even driving said race while your car is doing the boring comute

You are expressing your opinions on the future as though they were indisputable fact. Do you have a time machine or a crystal ball?

I don't want to live in a world where VR replaces actually going out and doing things, thanks all the same.