Maxus T90EV

[marmaxus]

Richtea1970 said:

Ok, you asked! Probably in order of concern;

Poor rustproofing, corrosion underneath and more worrying paint flaking with rust already formed underneath the paint
Poor park/handbrake design- Unlike every other EV there is no park function, so a very heavy truck is held by a manual handbrake, which has resulted in trucks moving/rolling even when applied
Charging- Can’t do timed charging and does not appear to integrate with smart chargers in any way (ie, plug the car in at 5pm with the smart charger due to come on at 11pm to make use of cheap overnight rate and when the charger turns on the car doesn’t recognise it and doesn’t charge)
Poor ride quality - All pick ups are a bit bouncy unladen, but some saying it’s terrible, giving them car sickness
Insurance- Premiums for the T90ev seem to be climbing every week, in December I was quoted £530, can’t get anything for less than £600 today
Infotainment system - very dated, struggle to get Apple CarPlay to work and Android support is non existent

At £100 a month people will put up with it but it sounds like it’s not worth much more.

Ours arrived Monday and loved every bit of it, our OHME charger charges it from midnight to 7am to benefit from the low rate ev tariff, had no issues with it, handbrake very sufficient and the key ignition start is brilliant you know you’ve turned it on and off, unlike every other ev just getting out and the car still being active. We have no rust or anything on ours, paint quality decent, infotainment system and apple car play worked every time, screen quality and touch response better than some of £50k plus cars our business has dealt with, only slight negative is the ride quality is very firm but who really cares, It’s a truck for £100 a month. Most peoples shopping bills are that a week.

Edited by marmaxus on Thursday 15th February 21:28

[Richtea1970]

marmaxus said:

Ours arrived Monday and loved every bit of it, our OHME charger charges it from midnight to 7am to benefit from the low rate ev tariff, had no issues with it, handbrake very sufficient and the key ignition start is brilliant you know you’ve turned it on and off, unlike every other ev just getting out and the car still being active. We have no rust or anything on ours, paint quality decent, infotainment system and apple car play worked every time, screen quality and touch response better than some of £50k plus cars our business has dealt with, only slight negative is the ride quality is very firm but who really cares, It’s a truck for £100 a month. Most peoples shopping bills are that a week.

Edited by marmaxus on Thursday 15th February 21:28

I hope I get one like yours then and not the ‘Friday afternoon’ versions everyone else seems to be getting!

[TheDeuce]

Richtea1970 said:

Ok, you asked! Probably in order of concern;

Poor rustproofing, corrosion underneath and more worrying paint flaking with rust already formed underneath the paint
Poor park/handbrake design- Unlike every other EV there is no park function, so a very heavy truck is held by a manual handbrake, which has resulted in trucks moving/rolling even when applied
Charging- Can’t do timed charging and does not appear to integrate with smart chargers in any way (ie, plug the car in at 5pm with the smart charger due to come on at 11pm to make use of cheap overnight rate and when the charger turns on the car doesn’t recognise it and doesn’t charge)
Poor ride quality - All pick ups are a bit bouncy unladen, but some saying it’s terrible, giving them car sickness
Insurance- Premiums for the T90ev seem to be climbing every week, in December I was quoted £530, can’t get anything for less than £600 today
Infotainment system - very dated, struggle to get Apple CarPlay to work and Android support is non existent

At £100 a month people will put up with it but it sounds like it’s not worth much more.

In fairness its pretty much what you expect from a cheap ICE truck hastily converted to an EV and left to gently oxidize in the sea air for a period..

The ride quality bit is definitely a trait of virtually all pickups that are unladen. I strongly suspect they'll get used to it/get over it and would have the same surprise reaction to any other pickup they drove.

It's funny how people complain about a car that's so cheap it's actually costing them 'minus money' compared to whatever it replaced, which in most cases would be an ICE car that cost them more in fuel than the lease and electricity cost of the Maxus combined. But car play is a bit buggy...

People.

[Richtea1970]

TheDeuce said:

It's funny how people complain about a car that's so cheap it's actually costing them 'minus money' compared to whatever it replaced, which in most cases would be an ICE car that cost them more in fuel than the lease and electricity cost of the Maxus combined. But car play is a bit buggy...

People.

But it’s not a ‘car that’s so cheap’ is it? It’s a £50,000 plus pick up. It just so happens that people have got them on a very cheap lease deal. However, irrelevant of the cost, these things shouldn’t be rusting out at less than a year old or have a poor handbrake that barely holds the car on a steep hill.

[Mikebentley]

Thread lacks pictures.

[TheDeuce]

Richtea1970 said:

TheDeuce said:

It's funny how people complain about a car that's so cheap it's actually costing them 'minus money' compared to whatever it replaced, which in most cases would be an ICE car that cost them more in fuel than the lease and electricity cost of the Maxus combined. But car play is a bit buggy...

People.

But it’s not a ‘car that’s so cheap’ is it? It’s a £50,000 plus pick up. It just so happens that people have got them on a very cheap lease deal. However, irrelevant of the cost, these things shouldn’t be rusting out at less than a year old or have a poor handbrake that barely holds the car on a steep hill.

It's a pickup they put a £50k sticker on and nobody bought.. it's true price, as dictated by what a person might actually pay, is probably half that at best - assuming it was in tip-top condition.

But it's now £100 pm, which is very cheap. It's only that cheap as they needed to kick them out quickly because they were dead stock worth more by selling ahead of emissions fines being calculated for the year end. As such, I reckon the price fairly takes account of the fact they've stood and rusted a little.

Would most punters pay another £150 a month for rust free one? I doubt it given they'll only have the car for 2-3 years anyway.

[The Rotrex Kid]

TheDeuce said:

Richtea1970 said:

TheDeuce said:

It's funny how people complain about a car that's so cheap it's actually costing them 'minus money' compared to whatever it replaced, which in most cases would be an ICE car that cost them more in fuel than the lease and electricity cost of the Maxus combined. But car play is a bit buggy...

People.

But it’s not a ‘car that’s so cheap’ is it? It’s a £50,000 plus pick up. It just so happens that people have got them on a very cheap lease deal. However, irrelevant of the cost, these things shouldn’t be rusting out at less than a year old or have a poor handbrake that barely holds the car on a steep hill.

It's a pickup they put a £50k sticker on and nobody bought.. it's true price, as dictated by what a person might actually pay, is probably half that at best - assuming it was in tip-top condition.

But it's now £100 pm, which is very cheap. It's only that cheap as they needed to kick them out quickly because they were dead stock worth more by selling ahead of emissions fines being calculated for the year end. As such, I reckon the price fairly takes account of the fact they've stood and rusted a little.

Would most punters pay another £150 a month for rust free one? I doubt it given they'll only have the car for 2-3 years anyway.

Agree with this.It was never a '£50k plus pick up' it's an arbitrary number they stuck on it. They've just kicked the can 12 months down the road by punting them out on a cheap lease, the finance companies (unless they are on a buyback deal from Maxus) have the issue of ditching these all again in a year!

[NSS89]

Richtea1970 said:

Ok, you asked! Probably in order of concern;

Poor rustproofing, corrosion underneath and more worrying paint flaking with rust already formed underneath the paint
Poor park/handbrake design- Unlike every other EV there is no park function, so a very heavy truck is held by a manual handbrake, which has resulted in trucks moving/rolling even when applied
Charging- Can’t do timed charging and does not appear to integrate with smart chargers in any way (ie, plug the car in at 5pm with the smart charger due to come on at 11pm to make use of cheap overnight rate and when the charger turns on the car doesn’t recognise it and doesn’t charge)
Poor ride quality - All pick ups are a bit bouncy unladen, but some saying it’s terrible, giving them car sickness
Insurance- Premiums for the T90ev seem to be climbing every week, in December I was quoted £530, can’t get anything for less than £600 today
Infotainment system - very dated, struggle to get Apple CarPlay to work and Android support is non existent

At £100 a month people will put up with it but it sounds like it’s not worth much more.

Lol I was hoping it would be these kind of issues as to me they are more niggles than anything. As others have said, if we were paying premium money for this vehicle then yeah I’d be annoyed but at this price point I can live with it.

Insurance point is annoying but might my premiums have always been extortionate so something I’m used to now. For example the cheapest quote I can get is £2400 and that’s with 10+ years NCD lol I think city/area is what’s penalising me the most.

The biggest annoyance for me is the fact it’s a stock vehicle so would’ve expected delivery in 2-4 weeks but looking more like 2-4 months!

[Richtea1970]

TheDeuce said:

It's a pickup they put a £50k sticker on and nobody bought.. it's true price, as dictated by what a person might actually pay, is probably half that at best - assuming it was in tip-top condition.

But it's now £100 pm, which is very cheap. It's only that cheap as they needed to kick them out quickly because they were dead stock worth more by selling ahead of emissions fines being calculated for the year end. As such, I reckon the price fairly takes account of the fact they've stood and rusted a little.

Would most punters pay another £150 a month for rust free one? I doubt it given they'll only have the car for 2-3 years anyway.

The guy with the rusting one (which he’s trying to reject) has bought it, so the £100 a month doesn’t come in to it.
And again, whether it’s a £100 or £1000, a brand new car shouldn’t be rusting out (again, where they’ve been kept and for how long shouldn’t come into it). If it drives terribly and you’ve never test driven it, agreed that’s the buyers issue. If the infotainment system doesn’t work properly, again not a deal breaker and to be expected to an extent on a Chinese vehicle.

But for things like rust and safety issues around the handbrake you can’t just discount that ‘because it’s a cheap lease’. They didn’t sell them at £100 a month ‘because they’ve got a bit of rust, they’d be £250 otherwise Guvnor’, they were sold as new vehicles.

[Toaster Pilot]

Richtea1970 said:

The guy with the rusting one (which he’s trying to reject) has bought it, so the £100 a month doesn’t come in to it.
And again, whether it’s a £100 or £1000, a brand new car shouldn’t be rusting out (again, where they’ve been kept and for how long shouldn’t come into it). If it drives terribly and you’ve never test driven it, agreed that’s the buyers issue. If the infotainment system doesn’t work properly, again not a deal breaker and to be expected to an extent on a Chinese vehicle.

But for things like rust and safety issues around the handbrake you can’t just discount that ‘because it’s a cheap lease’. They didn’t sell them at £100 a month ‘because they’ve got a bit of rust, they’d be £250 otherwise Guvnor’, they were sold as new vehicles.

The guy trying to reject his has some surface rust on some suspension components that will be rusty on about 99% of cars on the road.

The one with dodgy paint and rust actually on panels would be more of a worry.

[ooid]

My neighbour got one of these at those silly monthlies.. I can't believe how cheap they are, well done to those who managed to get those deals.

[Richtea1970]

Just been given my delivery date of 22nd, so this time next week will be living the dream or the nightmare

[NSS89]

Richtea1970 said:

Just been given my delivery date of 22nd, so this time next week will be living the dream or the nightmare

Great news! Good to see CVL orders being fulfilled.

I’m hoping I’m not too far behind…

[Richtea1970]

NSS89 said:

Richtea1970 said:

Just been given my delivery date of 22nd, so this time next week will be living the dream or the nightmare

Great news! Good to see CVL orders being fulfilled.

I’m hoping I’m not too far behind…

Ah bit of a change of plan, this isn’t actually with CVL

I was originally with CVL and signed up to £150 a month, nothing upfront, 18 month lease with 8000 miles per annum and was waiting for a delivery date. Then about 3 weeks ago I got a email from Premier Vehicle Leasing (whom I’d tried to get one from prior to Christmas). They said they had had someone drop out and could offer to me. It was again 18 month with nothing upfront but it was only £105 a month with 10,000 miles so bit of a no brainer really.
So I cancelled my CVL order (they didn’t mind as apparently they had people queuing up to get any cancellations) and went with PVL, and that’s who have provided the delivery date for next week.

But I had a long chat with the lady who called. She said it is painful getting the vehicles out of the port as they cannot deal with the numbers. You get allocated a registration number then it’s pot luck when it’s released from the port. She also said the size of the truck doesn’t help as she said that normally they’d have 6 or even 8 cars to a transporter (depending on vehicle size) they are only fitting 4 of the T90’s on each transporter. She said they’ve got 50 ordered through them and they’ve confirmed deliveries now for 20 of them so still 30 to go, so deliveries will be going well into March.

[TheDeuce]

Richtea1970 said:

TheDeuce said:

It's a pickup they put a £50k sticker on and nobody bought.. it's true price, as dictated by what a person might actually pay, is probably half that at best - assuming it was in tip-top condition.

But it's now £100 pm, which is very cheap. It's only that cheap as they needed to kick them out quickly because they were dead stock worth more by selling ahead of emissions fines being calculated for the year end. As such, I reckon the price fairly takes account of the fact they've stood and rusted a little.

Would most punters pay another £150 a month for rust free one? I doubt it given they'll only have the car for 2-3 years anyway.

The guy with the rusting one (which he’s trying to reject) has bought it, so the £100 a month doesn’t come in to it.
And again, whether it’s a £100 or £1000, a brand new car shouldn’t be rusting out (again, where they’ve been kept and for how long shouldn’t come into it). If it drives terribly and you’ve never test driven it, agreed that’s the buyers issue. If the infotainment system doesn’t work properly, again not a deal breaker and to be expected to an extent on a Chinese vehicle.

But for things like rust and safety issues around the handbrake you can’t just discount that ‘because it’s a cheap lease’. They didn’t sell them at £100 a month ‘because they’ve got a bit of rust, they’d be £250 otherwise Guvnor’, they were sold as new vehicles.

You know what, if you took them to court you'd probably eventually get that to stick - they were sold/leased as new vehicles so they shouldn't be as rusty as some clearly are.

But that's the attitude of taking advantage of a technicality. In realistic terms, a company made a st decision to produce 2wd pickup trucks that weren't at all worth the price... So they put them out at a price that takes into account the poor design and also the lengthy time spent rotting by the sea. The price is more than fair for what you get.

I really dislike those that seek 'an angle' to be compensated further (or to unfairly complain) beyond what was already a fully reasonable proposition.

Is the handbrake dangerous? Really... Or does it just take a bloody good tug to stick, the same as many cheap trucks the world over? If it really doesn't work then by all means seem remedial repair which will be covered by the warranty - but even with that hassle, it's still stupidly cheap EV motoring.

This truck is crazy cheap because someone at the firm fked up. Take advantage of the cheap price - but don't press for more... That's not a good look - unless all your personal endeavours in life have been faultless.

[Richtea1970]

TheDeuce said:

You know what, if you took them to court you'd probably eventually get that to stick - they were sold/leased as new vehicles so they shouldn't be as rusty as some clearly are.

But that's the attitude of taking advantage of a technicality. In realistic terms, a company made a st decision to produce 2wd pickup trucks that weren't at all worth the price... So they put them out at a price that takes into account the poor design and also the lengthy time spent rotting by the sea. The price is more than fair for what you get.

I really dislike those that seek 'an angle' to be compensated further (or to unfairly complain) beyond what was already a fully reasonable proposition.

Is the handbrake dangerous? Really... Or does it just take a bloody good tug to stick, the same as many cheap trucks the world over? If it really doesn't work then by all means seem remedial repair which will be covered by the warranty - but even with that hassle, it's still stupidly cheap EV motoring.

This truck is crazy cheap because someone at the firm fked up. Take advantage of the cheap price - but don't press for more... That's not a good look - unless all your personal endeavours in life have been faultless.

I think you are missing the point, these deals aren’t cheap because they know there are safety faults with the vehicle and it’s rusting out, it’s to meet EV targets. When cheap deals are posted on the ‘Best lease deals’ thread, are these vehicles offered because they are faulty? Of course not.
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Familymad]

Every new Defender I have owned since 2011 arrived new with surface rust on diffs or steering arms etc. they are only sprayed with cheap black paint. It's not rot.
If you are bothered then get it under sealed. But frankly a waste of money as its not your vehicle so why care?

[Richtea1970]

Familymad said:

Every new Defender I have owned since 2011 arrived new with surface rust on diffs or steering arms etc. they are only sprayed with cheap black paint. It's not rot.
If you are bothered then get it under sealed. But frankly a waste of money as its not your vehicle so why care?

It’s not mine, I haven’t got mine yet.
Similarly it won’t bother me either. The paintwork spontaneously bursting out in rust spots will do, but we’ll see.

[James6112]

Richtea1970 said:

Familymad said:

Every new Defender I have owned since 2011 arrived new with surface rust on diffs or steering arms etc. they are only sprayed with cheap black paint. It's not rot.
If you are bothered then get it under sealed. But frankly a waste of money as its not your vehicle so why care?

It’s not mine, I haven’t got mine yet.
Similarly it won’t bother me either. The paintwork spontaneously bursting out in rust spots will do, but we’ll see.

Similar complaints about Dacia cars in the past.
Thats how they build them cheap.
No money wasted on the appearance of bits you’ll never see !

[ChrisTC]

Hi All - Lucky (I think!) to get one from Stoneacre leasing for £60 a month. Being delivered on Friday, so will give a quick review and some photos.