Tesla Model 3 revealed

[p1stonhead]

Press kit including options costs

https://www.tesla.com/presskit#model3

It actually seems like the base model will be more than enough for most without any options. Will for me anyway I don't need autopilot or a bigger battery especially not for £5k or £9k respectively (assuming 1:1)

Edited by p1stonhead on Saturday 29th July 06:48

[Welshbeef]

5.1 seconds to 60mph
310 mile range

That's bloody good

$44,000

Ding dong.

Now can you buy a DB7 V12 for he same - goes to check classifieds - Yes you can get rid of the EV suggestion.

[98elise]

It's a disappointing reveal. A the first reveal they said the interior would be different, but essentially we're seeing the same car in a production ready guise.

Looks like the full glass roof is not standard, only the rear glass panel which goes over the heads of the rear passengers, so semi panoramic.

Happy with the basic model 5.6 to 60. That's better than my Elise.

Elon really needs some public speaking training. He is not natural at all!

Edited by 98elise on Saturday 29th July 08:35

[Welshbeef]

98elise said:

It's a disappointing reveal. A the first reveal they said the interior would be different, but essentially we're seeing the same car in a product ready guise.

Looks like the full glass roof is not standard, only the rear glass panel which goes over the heads of the rear passengers, so semi panoramic.

Happy with the basic model 5.6 to 60. That's better than my Elise.

Elon really needs some public speaking training. He is not natural at all!

He should have some lessons from John McDonnel now there is a good speaker

[98elise]

Welshbeef said:

98elise said:

It's a disappointing reveal. A the first reveal they said the interior would be different, but essentially we're seeing the same car in a product ready guise.

Looks like the full glass roof is not standard, only the rear glass panel which goes over the heads of the rear passengers, so semi panoramic.

Happy with the basic model 5.6 to 60. That's better than my Elise.

Elon really needs some public speaking training. He is not natural at all!

He should have some lessons from John McDonnel now there is a good speaker

Agreed, his speach about how Venezuela is a socialist dream was inspiring.

[David87]

So a fully specced car is $50,500, or $59,500 with the long range battery. That doesn't seem too bad to me when you consider all of what you get for that. Even the base car at $35,000 seems very decent, but the options will obviously take it up a notch.

I guess UK prices will pretty much just swap $ for £?

Couldn't see any mention of whether the cars are RWD or AWD? Presuming the former?

[Welshbeef]

David87 said:

So a fully specced car is $50,500, or $59,500 with the long range battery. That doesn't seem too bad to me when you consider all of what you get for that. Even the base car at $35,000 seems very decent, but the options will obviously take it up a notch.

I guess UK prices will pretty much just swap $ for £?

Couldn't see any mention of whether the cars are RWD or AWD? Presuming the former?

But and it's a bit but.

The interiors are plastics (the model S is anyway) it's not cheap - you'd have decades of Dino juice running a sports car

[p1stonhead]

Welshbeef said:

David87 said:

So a fully specced car is $50,500, or $59,500 with the long range battery. That doesn't seem too bad to me when you consider all of what you get for that. Even the base car at $35,000 seems very decent, but the options will obviously take it up a notch.

I guess UK prices will pretty much just swap $ for £?

Couldn't see any mention of whether the cars are RWD or AWD? Presuming the former?

But and it's a bit but.

The interiors are plastics (the model S is anyway) it's not cheap - you'd have decades of Dino juice running a sports car

How would you have decades of running a sports car if you buy an equivalent ICE car costing the same £35k? Or is this the utterly irrelevant 'buy a £10k car and have £25k for petrol' angle?

Edited by p1stonhead on Saturday 29th July 08:30

[Donbot]

Welshbeef said:

Now can you buy a DB7 V12 for he same - goes to check classifieds - Yes you can get rid of the EV suggestion.

There's always one

[Blaster72]

David87 said:

So a fully specced car is $50,500, or $59,500 with the long range battery. That doesn't seem too bad to me when you consider all of what you get for that. Even the base car at $35,000 seems very decent, but the options will obviously take it up a notch.

I guess UK prices will pretty much just swap $ for £?

Couldn't see any mention of whether the cars are RWD or AWD? Presuming the former?

Single motor RWD although there was speculation a while back that a high performance dual motor Model 3 would eventually be launched.

Interesting to see from the press pack linked in a post above, the higher capacity Model 3 is delivering July 2017 with the lower range model not until "Fall 2017". I'm guessing that means these first 30 production cars are all the higher capacity Model? 310 EPA range will probably mean 250-300 or so real world average, pretty decent.

Shame the delivery event wasn't a full on car launch but I guess they had to do something. I'll look forward to later in the year when the motoring press get their hands on the cars to do some proper in-depth reviews.

Good to see they've managed to get the weight a little bit under control too, 1600kg for the lower capacity model isn't too bad.

[p1stonhead]

Assuming 1:1 on the pound, this is actually still quite expensive if you want 'normal' things like electric seats etc because everything comes in a 'pack'.

So yes the £35k base is reasonable, but it's actually £40k to get the fairly normal things we take for granted. And £50k if you want another 100 miles of range.

There are P90d's available AUC for that much....

Tough decision if and when I go for a tesla.

[DonkeyApple]

David87 said:

So a fully specced car is $50,500, or $59,500 with the long range battery. That doesn't seem too bad to me when you consider all of what you get for that.

Is it worth pondering what exactly 'all of what you get' is and questioning their true worth?

I'm not anti Tesla for what it is and looks to achieve and I'm certainly not anti EV. I feel I have to keep stating this as any questioning of Tesla seems to raise up the odd religious loon who screams that you must be the Devil.

However, Musk is a showman who performs to acolytes and Tesla as a company loves to place heavy spin on why everything is awesome so it's always really important to take a big step back from anything they do and ask some objective questions. Environments like that are designed to sweep the masses along fast enough that they never question anything.

So, in short, what is it that makes the product genuinely worth that amount of money? It has very few mechanical parts, it has a very standard construction, it has very little expensive switchgear and the materials are very clearly not remotely the most expensive automotive materials available.

Is it really fair value? Is that premium between range types really value or have a few baubles of little value been thrown to the crowd to misdirect?

If I'm honest, I can't see $25,000 worth of genuine value difference between the base model and the fully loaded. A second car's worth of value being added? Really? Is that genuinely there?

[Dazed and Confused]

FurtiveFreddy said:

manracer said:

Not quite sure why my reservation states I ordered it in 1969!

There have been a few strange things happening on that page since 400,000 people started refreshing it every 5 minutes!

Will believe when I see it. Do you not think it's a bit odd that there were that many pre-orders when this was launched with no increase in numbers in the year since.

[dxg]

Why do they keep showing it off at night????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiv9esQ3Glw

[DonkeyApple]

Because rock concert.

[Dazed and Confused]

dxg said:

Why do they keep showing it off at night????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiv9esQ3Glw

Because Proper Minger.

[98elise]

Dazed and Confused said:

FurtiveFreddy said:

manracer said:

Not quite sure why my reservation states I ordered it in 1969!

There have been a few strange things happening on that page since 400,000 people started refreshing it every 5 minutes!

Will believe when I see it. Do you not think it's a bit odd that there were that many pre-orders when this was launched with no increase in numbers in the year since.

They haven't given any figures beyond the first month? After that it's anyone's guess but as I understand if they report on how much cash they have in deposits (all cars not just model 3), and that equates to a lot of cars

Of course if you don't want to believe it you can dismiss those figures as well.

[Dazed and Confused]

rscott said:

Dazed and Confused said:

Farmboy UK said:

Jader1973 said:

And afterwards the GTR owner was able to drive anywhere he wanted, whereas the bloke in the Tesla had to drive home and plug it in for 8 hours, assuming the racing hadn't cooked it.

8 hours? Or 30 minutes on a supercharger

How much would it cost to have that installed? Assuming you have a driveway to put it on.

Why would you need a supercharger at home? Surely the overnight charge fits with most people's lifestyles?

Because someone posted it was a half hour charge time if you had one. I doubt it's cheap.

[Dazed and Confused]

Durzel said:

A Tesla is something I imagine someone with a F430 would have as their daily driver, not as a replacement to be honest.

Not sure if this supposed to be ironic, but have a....

[DonkeyApple]

Dazed and Confused said:

Will believe when I see it. Do you not think it's a bit odd that there were that many pre-orders when this was launched with no increase in numbers in the year since.

You cannot make that statement as there is no data available. Ergo you are confused or lying?

Pretty much the only info published from Tesla are statements by Musk saying they hit 250,000 in the first 24 hours, approached 400,000 a short while after and that orders have been growing at a steady rate since.

That might well all be total lies and subterfuge but as there is no actual data then no one can make any assertions obviously.

What we do know is that they stopped all plans to market the product due to the initial demand numbers as they know they could only build 5,000 cars a week in the first year and so any marketing would just be for orders that they knew couldn't be met which would be very bad for business.

So, in year one the most cars they can build is 250,000 and by year two they target to have capacity to build 500,000 units.

What you can see is that the 400,000 number is conveniently 30 odd % above their first year build capacity which strikes me as the perfect number to reassure investors and speculators over the drop out risk. It's all being very heavily stage managed so as to maintain their equity premium in the market and I wouldn't believe anything from the company until proven in public. But until then no one can ascert anything as fact.