Tesla Model 3 revealed
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kambites said:
saaby93 said:
kambites said:
What a moronic decision. >.<
oh well back to looking at the Ssaaby93 said:
kambites said:
saaby93 said:
kambites said:
What a moronic decision. >.<
oh well back to looking at the S
Blaster72 said:
Tongue firmly in cheek young man 
There are a lot of Uber Prius on the roads though 
After some careful Googling it seems I was well wide of the mark, 2010 and 2011 were record years for the Prius with sales falling after Uber arrived in 2012. Strange as London is infested with the things most carrying private hire stickers in their rear windows.
Anyway, back to facts.....
As far as London is concerned it was the advent of the CC zone and the demand from companies that their employees were seen to use environmentally friendly private hire that made the Prius suddenly popular overnight. It was the only product at that time that ticked the right boxes. There are a lot of Uber Prius on the roads though After some careful Googling it seems I was well wide of the mark, 2010 and 2011 were record years for the Prius with sales falling after Uber arrived in 2012. Strange as London is infested with the things most carrying private hire stickers in their rear windows.
Anyway, back to facts.....
Edited by Blaster72 on Saturday 29th July 19:55
The green disabled sticker suddenly became prevelant due to the CC zone. It meant moody cabs had to register to avoid the tax combined with many commuters claiming to be minicab drivers so as to evade the tax. But the new disabled badge was really useful as tards who couldn't drive had stopped restricting themselves to just Volvos and Datsuns making it less obvious that they were going to suddenly stop, veer out of lane or turn the opposite way to their indicators.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Saturday 29th July 20:54
otolith said:
Dazed and Confused said:
Supposed to be a car for the masses, in the States the cheapest one is 15000 Dollars more than the cheapest Camaro.
You'd clearly still hate it if it cured cancer and brought world peace, what's the real reason for your emotional response to it?Here we are 97 photos of the Model 3 adopts a conventional hatchback body style
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/tesla/model-3/87867/n...
Who writes this copy?
An image for a Model S comes up in search if youre not careful
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/tesla/model-3/87867/n...
Who writes this copy?
An image for a Model S comes up in search if youre not careful
kambites said:
Hmm, I'm sure I've seen pictures of it with a hatchback boot, maybe that was the prototype?
Oh well, there's goes any interest I ever had in owning one. Looks like we'll be sticking with internal combustion engines for a while then.
Not the 3, it's always been a saloon. The model Y will be a hatchback\suv on the same platform.Oh well, there's goes any interest I ever had in owning one. Looks like we'll be sticking with internal combustion engines for a while then.
Blaster72 said:
kambites said:
Hmm, I'm sure I've seen pictures of it with a hatchback boot, maybe that was the prototype?
Oh well, there's goes any interest I ever had in owning one. Looks like we'll be sticking with internal combustion engines for a while then.
I thought the same, turns out the obsession with the glass roof and a tiny bit of extra headroom was why it ended up a saloon. Plus saloon (sedan) sales in the USA are much higher than hatchback styles. Shame really as the hatch type styling works well with the Model S.Oh well, there's goes any interest I ever had in owning one. Looks like we'll be sticking with internal combustion engines for a while then.
Edited by Blaster72 on Saturday 29th July 20:29
If the Y is unveiled before my 3 is due to be delivered then I may switch my order.
saaby93 said:
kambites said:
saaby93 said:
kambites said:
What a moronic decision. >.<
oh well back to looking at the Ssaaby93 said:
kambites said:
saaby93 said:
kambites said:
What a moronic decision. >.<
oh well back to looking at the SWithout the on trend hype that Tesla has to create demand the current range of EVs from mainstream manufacturers does tend to show there is little true demand in the market.
Hybrids only really sell because the electric motor games the taxation system not because people really demand them.
This is the real issue with EVs. Despite all their obvious benefits and the fact that many people are very happy with the idea of owning one people aren't stumping up the premium to own one over an ICE without that premium delivering some kind of brand award such as Tesla.
Remove the tax incentives and legislation on hybrids and that market would collapse.
The fundamental problem with the market is that people don't want to pay more to validate their beliefs but they will defile and trample over any belief that they have to save 5p.
The eco angle is all tripe. No one cares. It's why so many eco warriors have multiple children and/or own dogs etc, it's all a facade, a veneer of verbiage and b
ks that lies thinly and clearly transparently over consumerism. It is consumerism that is key. We don't buy a £5,000 panda and donate 5p to ourselves. We spend £5,000 on ourselves and invest 5p in some eco tripe that specifically exists to pay off our guilt not to help any fking pandas. You could massacre a forest of pandas and no one would give a crap beyond writing baseless drivel on Twitter but take away their store cards and you'll spark a bloody revolution. This is why EVs have to be cheaper than ICE to succeed. Or legislation making ICEs basically illegal.
The Western consumer is the creature that votes for a dog in a human talent competition and then gets angry that the human who trained it and did all the work gets the prize money. These are the creatures that you can get to spend £1000 they never needed to spend so as to save £50 a year on VED.
They don't give a flying f
k about the environment or any of the buzzwords they like to say on the street they just want to buy what looks cheapest so they have enough cash leftover to finance instalments on Netflix or whatever. The moment EVs become genuinely cheaper than ICE then we will see ICE demand disappear overnight amongst the basic transport consumer and you'll see the Grid radically adjusting to the new benefits and inconveniences. Until then we're going to be stuck in this world of tax payers subsidising a minority and corporates paying lip service to eco twaddle.
DonkeyApple said:
It's been on sale for just over year now and EV sales seem pretty non-existent. According to the UK CEO it's all been hybrids working the tax angles.
Without the on trend hype that Tesla has to create demand the current range of EVs from mainstream manufacturers does tend to show there is little true demand in the market.
Hybrids only really sell because the electric motor games the taxation system not because people really demand them.
This is the real issue with EVs. Despite all their obvious benefits and the fact that many people are very happy with the idea of owning one people aren't stumping up the premium to own one over an ICE without that premium delivering some kind of brand award such as Tesla.
Remove the tax incentives and legislation on hybrids and that market would collapse.
The fundamental problem with the market is that people don't want to pay more to validate their beliefs but they will defile and trample over any belief that they have to save 5p.
The eco angle is all tripe. No one cares. It's why so many eco warriors have multiple children and/or own dogs etc, it's all a facade, a veneer of verbiage and bks that lies thinly and clearly transparently over consumerism. It is consumerism that is key. We don't buy a £5,000 panda and donate 5p to ourselves. We spend £5,000 on ourselves and invest 5p in some eco tripe that specifically exists to pay off our guilt not to help any fking pandas. You could massacre a forest of pandas and no one would give a crap beyond writing baseless drivel on Twitter but take away their store cards and you'll spark a bloody revolution.
This is why EVs have to be cheaper than ICE to succeed. Or legislation making ICEs basically illegal.
The Western consumer is the creature that votes for a dog in a human talent competition and then gets angry that the human who trained it and did all the work gets the prize money. These are the creatures that you can get to spend £1000 they never needed to spend so as to save £50 a year on VED.
They don't give a flying fk about the environment or any of the buzzwords they like to say on the street they just want to buy what looks cheapest so they have enough cash leftover to finance instalments on Netflix or whatever.
The moment EVs become genuinely cheaper than ICE then we will see ICE demand disappear overnight amongst the basic transport consumer and you'll see the Grid radically adjusting to the new benefits and inconveniences. Until then we're going to be stuck in this world of tax payers subsidising a minority and corporates paying lip service to eco twaddle.
10/10 I'll read again.Without the on trend hype that Tesla has to create demand the current range of EVs from mainstream manufacturers does tend to show there is little true demand in the market.
Hybrids only really sell because the electric motor games the taxation system not because people really demand them.
This is the real issue with EVs. Despite all their obvious benefits and the fact that many people are very happy with the idea of owning one people aren't stumping up the premium to own one over an ICE without that premium delivering some kind of brand award such as Tesla.
Remove the tax incentives and legislation on hybrids and that market would collapse.
The fundamental problem with the market is that people don't want to pay more to validate their beliefs but they will defile and trample over any belief that they have to save 5p.
The eco angle is all tripe. No one cares. It's why so many eco warriors have multiple children and/or own dogs etc, it's all a facade, a veneer of verbiage and b
ks that lies thinly and clearly transparently over consumerism. It is consumerism that is key. We don't buy a £5,000 panda and donate 5p to ourselves. We spend £5,000 on ourselves and invest 5p in some eco tripe that specifically exists to pay off our guilt not to help any fking pandas. You could massacre a forest of pandas and no one would give a crap beyond writing baseless drivel on Twitter but take away their store cards and you'll spark a bloody revolution. This is why EVs have to be cheaper than ICE to succeed. Or legislation making ICEs basically illegal.
The Western consumer is the creature that votes for a dog in a human talent competition and then gets angry that the human who trained it and did all the work gets the prize money. These are the creatures that you can get to spend £1000 they never needed to spend so as to save £50 a year on VED.
They don't give a flying f
k about the environment or any of the buzzwords they like to say on the street they just want to buy what looks cheapest so they have enough cash leftover to finance instalments on Netflix or whatever. The moment EVs become genuinely cheaper than ICE then we will see ICE demand disappear overnight amongst the basic transport consumer and you'll see the Grid radically adjusting to the new benefits and inconveniences. Until then we're going to be stuck in this world of tax payers subsidising a minority and corporates paying lip service to eco twaddle.
I had a look at those Hyundai Ioniqs. You can't actually buy the electric one.
Only a handful of dealers who are "authorised" to sell it (my local isn't) and when you do track down one of these specialists - they are quoted a year or more for delivery. Apparently they can't get the batteries ... seriously. Did a bit of digging and found that people who ordered in March are being advised by Hyundai UK that they may get their car sometime in 2018.
Seems like either Hyundai messed up their production, or they never actually intended to sell the electric version in the first place.
Only a handful of dealers who are "authorised" to sell it (my local isn't) and when you do track down one of these specialists - they are quoted a year or more for delivery. Apparently they can't get the batteries ... seriously. Did a bit of digging and found that people who ordered in March are being advised by Hyundai UK that they may get their car sometime in 2018.
Seems like either Hyundai messed up their production, or they never actually intended to sell the electric version in the first place.
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