Hydrogen is the future, not BEVs?
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Evanivitch said:
james6546 said:
I got sent this by my wife, reasonably interesting
https://myelectricsparks.com/bmw-hydrogen-engines/
What have they solved?https://myelectricsparks.com/bmw-hydrogen-engines/
The price? The infrastructure? The limited certification life of the tank? The fundamental need to be an EV (battery, motors) in the first place..
sjg said:
TheDeuce said:
Given the closure rate of hydrogen filling stations around the world, there must be groups of very angry and vocal car owners that are left with something basically worthless that they can't even make use of themselves.
I'm amazed we don't hear more from such people - perhaps they're simply too embarrassed to speak up..
In California, Toyota are renting cars from Avis for Mirai owners to use because hydrogen supply is so dire.I'm amazed we don't hear more from such people - perhaps they're simply too embarrassed to speak up..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_-RJ9a9TGI
james6546 said:
She works for a company who make lubricants and fluids for the major manufacturers so does have some more inside information than the regular person. It sounds like hydrogen might be getting some more attention going forwards.
Ok, well may I suggest reading some or all of this thread, several people with detailed pertinent information on here as well.GT9 said:
TheDeuce said:
And people don't like to say that, so silence will remain 
I have no idea why but when I think of hydrogen car owners losing their voice it reminds me of this sketch:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0dybAaZWuI
GT9 said:
james6546 said:
She works for a company who make lubricants and fluids for the major manufacturers so does have some more inside information than the regular person. It sounds like hydrogen might be getting some more attention going forwards.
Ok, well may I suggest reading some or all of this thread, several people with detailed pertinent information on here as well.I said what I had heard, I didn’t realise you were the ruler of this thread. I have read the whole of this thread, didn’t realise I’m not allowed to say what I’ve been told by people who are actually in the car fuel industry. Sorry.
james6546 said:
Well may I suggest not being so bloody condescending?
I said what I had heard, I didn’t realise you were the ruler of this thread. I have read the whole of this thread, didn’t realise I’m not allowed to say what I’ve been told by people who are actually in the car fuel industry. Sorry.
Apologies, I don't recall you previously posting on the thread, it seemed like you just arrived and I was making a suggestion.I said what I had heard, I didn’t realise you were the ruler of this thread. I have read the whole of this thread, didn’t realise I’m not allowed to say what I’ve been told by people who are actually in the car fuel industry. Sorry.
Nobody is stopping you from saying anything.
The article you linked to is, in my honest opinion, full of holes.
I mean just read the title.
It doesn't even makes sense and has no bearing to what is written in it, let alone what is actually happening right now.
BMW have a hydrogen fuel cell car on trial in the UK, it's not for sale.
Toyota have withdrawn the Mirai from sale.
Fuel cell car sales globally have fallen through the floor.
The H2 filling stations for cars in the UK are closing down, as are the ones in California.
The article is so far removed from reality.
For a better insight, there is a website called, funnily enough, Hydrogen Insight, here: https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/transport
They have a transportation section that the link goes to.
I'm not affiliated to it any way.
james6546 said:
GT9 said:
james6546 said:
She works for a company who make lubricants and fluids for the major manufacturers so does have some more inside information than the regular person. It sounds like hydrogen might be getting some more attention going forwards.
Ok, well may I suggest reading some or all of this thread, several people with detailed pertinent information on here as well.I said what I had heard, I didn’t realise you were the ruler of this thread. I have read the whole of this thread, didn’t realise I’m not allowed to say what I’ve been told by people who are actually in the car fuel industry. Sorry.
The physics can't be changed, and manufacturers haven't come up with anything new no matter what inside information someone has.
james6546 said:
I got sent this by my wife, reasonably interesting
https://myelectricsparks.com/bmw-hydrogen-engines/
That whole site is basically a blog by Aizaz and Fatima Khan. It is regurgitating a year old press release from BMW.https://myelectricsparks.com/bmw-hydrogen-engines/
However the depth of knowledge of all things automotive shines through....
The same author said:
BMW Italy has teamed up with Poldo Dog Couture, a company that makes fancy dog clothes, to create a unique paint colour called ‘Oxford Green’ for the BMW X7 car. It’s a unique paint job made just for this collaboration.
james6546 said:
She did tell me, but I wasn’t listening apparently 
It’s a pretty bad article, but interesting that BMW still think it’s worth pursuing
I imagine most global vehicle manufacturers will still be allocating funding to multiple power plant solutions despite batteries being the core energy store solution and of using taxpayer funds to do will need to make occasional PR noise. And hydrogen as an energy store will find various uses where chemical batteries persist in being less or non viable. It’s a pretty bad article, but interesting that BMW still think it’s worth pursuing
tamore said:
corporations are still hoovering up hydrogen R&D cash, that's why they're still seemingly interested in it. even this looming, rachel reeves said that despite canning the 28bn or whatever, hydrogen, CCS and some other still are high up their list, i despair.
They look set to be the next govt yet have already revealed themselves to be a bunch of lying clowns no different from the current lot. It's going to be an entertaining clustref
k and a fresh opportunity to make money when they start lobbing it about. Getting into renewables at almost any level looks like a smart play still. GT9 said:
I trust no-one in government is actually referring to blue hydrogen as renewable are they?
Anything's possible I suppose, but that's fking ridiculous if so.
grey, yellow, blue, and any other colour that isn't making it from excess (that's a loooooong way off) sunshine/wind derived energy, is utter arse.Anything's possible I suppose, but that's f
king ridiculous if so.we're stuck with gas steam reformation for the industrial demand for hydrogen at the moment. to increase demand from this route for transport of any kind is beyond bonkers. if we ever get genuinely useful quantities of green hydrogen, there are much better things to use it for before transport.
TheDeuce said:
Adam1980 said:
Bravo to all of you still posting here, especially those pretending hydrogen is ever happening in cars.
You've just given me an idea for a thread A thread I expect to die off soon enough. Who knows, perhaps it'll climb on Google and we'll actually hear from people who have some experience of hydrogen being the answer.
TheDeuce said:
Done: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
A thread I expect to die off soon enough. Who knows, perhaps it'll climb on Google and we'll actually hear from people who have some experience of hydrogen being the answer.
A thread I expect to die off soon enough. Who knows, perhaps it'll climb on Google and we'll actually hear from people who have some experience of hydrogen being the answer.
GT9 said:
TheDeuce said:
Done: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
A thread I expect to die off soon enough. Who knows, perhaps it'll climb on Google and we'll actually hear from people who have some experience of hydrogen being the answer.
A thread I expect to die off soon enough. Who knows, perhaps it'll climb on Google and we'll actually hear from people who have some experience of hydrogen being the answer.
TheDeuce said:
GT9 said:
TheDeuce said:
Done: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
A thread I expect to die off soon enough. Who knows, perhaps it'll climb on Google and we'll actually hear from people who have some experience of hydrogen being the answer.
A thread I expect to die off soon enough. Who knows, perhaps it'll climb on Google and we'll actually hear from people who have some experience of hydrogen being the answer.
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