New Lithium batteries with 3 times the storage
Discussion
MrJingles705 said:
"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"
Given that you've *still* to respond to my specific comments - backed by experts in the field, including Goodenough himself - about the capacity limitations caused by the thin film form factor (and the current lack of solutions).....
The Goodenough progress is enough to issue a technical paper for peer review. That means they are pretty confident they have something using glass. What I posted was another development of plastic that is x2, not x3. Given that you've *still* to respond to my specific comments - backed by experts in the field, including Goodenough himself - about the capacity limitations caused by the thin film form factor (and the current lack of solutions).....
The point is that two breakthroughs emerge in the labs by reputable bodies:
- One gives x2 storage
- One gives x3 storage.
Edited by RayTay on Tuesday 4th July 08:34
Mr2Mike said:
The point you seem to be (deliberately) avoiding is that posting videos or other media article on research does not mean the target goals are a done deal. Neither 2x or 3x storage is a reality yet, people are still working on it. When, and if, all the problems are solved and production becomes viable then I would certainly expect demand to be extremely high, but we aren't there yet.
I never said we are there yet for production. I have pointed to the R&D and that they have achieved x2 and x3 in storage in the labs and that they are optimistic it will be a reality, even issuing review papers. This is by reputable institutions, not by a back shed tinkerer. One actually invented the Lith battery. I never said that the batteries will be rolling out in three years or so, but if they have it right in the labs I cannot see why the batteries will not be here in 3 to 4 years. Billions are being spent on battery plants all over the world. The new findings show the continued progress of battery technology that has progressed over the past 20 years at a rapid rate. To the point we have smart phones (computers in your pocket) and even battery grid storage. Also cars that have 200 miles ranges. These were unthinkable about 20 years ago. All right now and battery technology is not standing still for sure.
As the many sensible posters here see, the EV will take over the pathetically inefficient and polluting IC engine and the charging infrastructure is being built to accommodate them.
Edited by RayTay on Tuesday 4th July 10:37
If just this x2 Lith storage comes about the batteries will be adopted for trains for sure. The rail industry is hovering. The Welsh Valleys around Cardiff have around 100 urban stations and a large length of track. All run by old inefficient diesel trains. Battery trains have been suggested as the cost of overhead wires and new electric trains is phenomenal. The whole train system around there is proposed to be a proper metro with fast battery trains, saving a fortune in installation and maintenance costs. The trains have to be designed for the purpose making them a light construction to save weight and thus energy. Not necessarily `light rail`, which cannot mix with heavy rail on the same tracks. The station could have solar panels on the roofs. Trains could have fast charge while standing at some stations.
One of the first battery train projects is proposed for Wrexham to Birkenhead. Hybrid electric 3rd rail/Battery trains have been suggested on the slow diesel Wrexham to Birkenhead line. This effectively puts the line on the Merseyrail metro and accesses the Liverpool underground metro section meaning all major points of Liverpool's centres are directly accessed. This creates a Wrexham to Liverpool line on Merseyrail's Wirral Line. Once fast, clean electric trains are used on a line there is `always` a big uptake of passengers. The one hour service maybe upped to 3 or 4 per hour. The lines would be heavily used at the Wrexham and Liverpool ends where many stations are clustered. The new Merseyrail stock ordered from Switzerland is easily converted to battery operation and designed to do so. Similar trains are operating in Japan.
Battery trains would transform the UKs urban and semi-rural regions. The DfT take the new advances seriously. One of the reasons why the DfT is not electrifying the country's rail lines aggressively, is that they are waiting for battery advances, or even fuel cell advances. They tested a battery train with fare paying passengers on the Mayflower Line two years ago for a month.
|https://thumbsnap.com/1XCgYxOC[/url]
With just x2 storage, cars will then have 400 miles ranges, or still 200 miles range using half the weight of the current batteries and also some further range due to less weight, and space saving inside the car.
These reports do open the eyes of those with vision.
One of the first battery train projects is proposed for Wrexham to Birkenhead. Hybrid electric 3rd rail/Battery trains have been suggested on the slow diesel Wrexham to Birkenhead line. This effectively puts the line on the Merseyrail metro and accesses the Liverpool underground metro section meaning all major points of Liverpool's centres are directly accessed. This creates a Wrexham to Liverpool line on Merseyrail's Wirral Line. Once fast, clean electric trains are used on a line there is `always` a big uptake of passengers. The one hour service maybe upped to 3 or 4 per hour. The lines would be heavily used at the Wrexham and Liverpool ends where many stations are clustered. The new Merseyrail stock ordered from Switzerland is easily converted to battery operation and designed to do so. Similar trains are operating in Japan.
Battery trains would transform the UKs urban and semi-rural regions. The DfT take the new advances seriously. One of the reasons why the DfT is not electrifying the country's rail lines aggressively, is that they are waiting for battery advances, or even fuel cell advances. They tested a battery train with fare paying passengers on the Mayflower Line two years ago for a month.
|https://thumbsnap.com/1XCgYxOC[/url]With just x2 storage, cars will then have 400 miles ranges, or still 200 miles range using half the weight of the current batteries and also some further range due to less weight, and space saving inside the car.
These reports do open the eyes of those with vision.
Edited by RayTay on Tuesday 4th July 11:14
Two hundred 400kW superchargers are being built around the UK this year, mainly on motorways. If the battery could take it, a Nissan Leak would charge in 7 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3ouduAUt7s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3ouduAUt7s
Edited by RayTay on Tuesday 4th July 16:15
ruggedscotty said:
the trouble with electric cars is the range verses recharge times. How long we can go before we need to hook the car up to recharge it.
- 0-60 - 4.2 secs
- 155mph
- combined urban and highway - 335miles
- NEDC range 393 miles.
- With the battery 5% full using a supercharger (150 kW), it takes about 30 minutes to reach 80% which in the Tesla 100D would give you 240 miles range.? But most trickle charge as they go along.
- Superchargers are at motorway service stations.
https://youtu.be/5_VL_76BoC8?t=919
Edited by RayTay on Wednesday 5th July 00:47
Yipper said:
Despite the hype, greenwash
No greenwash in Evs. they do not pollute cities. The amount of electricity to make a gallon of petrol is equal to its energy content. The IC engines waste 80% of the energy in the tank and also pollute like crazy. So:- pollution to make a gallon
- pollution burning the crap.
Wise up.
Edited by RayTay on Wednesday 5th July 09:42
MrJingles705 said:
GRAPHINEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pUh0D3uFTs
Graphine as super capacitors, which are predicted to replace batteries in many applications. Supercaps absorb around 90% of kinetic braking energy, while batteries about 20-25% on average. The newer quick charge batteries absorb more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CDzrDjBTNU
Before we die we will see graphine batteries and the IC engine (well those with pistons) will be a museum piece. It will come quite quick.
Edited by RayTay on Wednesday 5th July 10:31
There is little R&D to improve the IC engines in any transformative way. There is some R&D on rotary engines that is about it. All the rest is shuffling deckchairs on the Titanic.
The main car makers know that EVs are the way forward and are preparing for it. The utility companies and local authorities are all preparing by installing the charging infrastructure.
That is just for cars. The train companies are hovering for the newer batteries and supercaps to give us cheap metro and tram networks, which hopefully will reduce car use.
The main car makers know that EVs are the way forward and are preparing for it. The utility companies and local authorities are all preparing by installing the charging infrastructure.
That is just for cars. The train companies are hovering for the newer batteries and supercaps to give us cheap metro and tram networks, which hopefully will reduce car use.
TooMany2cvs said:
And yet engine families typically have far shorter production lives now than ever before, not least because of the ever-constant drive to improve emissions and efficiency.
The point I made was quite clear."There is little R&D to improve the IC engines in any transformative way."
80% of the energy in the tank is wasted. Improving the 20% by 10% they start to shout from the rooftops, `we have improved efficiency by 10%`!. But that makes it 78% overall is wasted in the tank. Wow! Big licks. That is not even scratching the surface. Then there is the pollution they spew out and the blackening of building by diesel. The noise pollution as well. And the fact that each litre of petrol made takes as much polluting electricity to make it.
All the rest of the so-called R&D, is shuffling deckchairs on the Titanic. Nothing is happing. They know where the future is.
Wise up.
Edited by RayTay on Wednesday 5th July 11:28
TooMany2cvs said:
RayTay said:
The point I made was quite clear.
"There is little R&D to improve the IC engines in any transformative way."
Electric motors are mature technologies, too, as are batteries. There are no "transformative" changes there, "There is little R&D to improve the IC engines in any transformative way."
Mr2Mike said:
Conveniently forgetting about the energy used and pollution produced in the manufacture of batteries...
Tell me, do you believe everything you read in the media, or only things relating to EVs?
You must read the Daily Mail. They printed that 20 nuclear power stations would be needed to charge EVs. Which is total bTell me, do you believe everything you read in the media, or only things relating to EVs?
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