Volkswagen ID pre orders open May 8th

[Burwood]

some boffins just stripped away the camo. This is what it will look like. Pleasant enough. As to the interior. Minimal buttons I suspect but will have some. Large iPad style screen and well as drivers Info Active screen

[Burwood]

An excerpt from journalist who has seen it. And this spy shot clearly shows the large floating iPad with a a cut away which will be to access a row of buttons under the screen. Nothing revolutionary with the wheel. Clean lines, high build quality. Plenty of storage. Im thinking Tesla/VW conventional Blend.

[HTP99]

Those visible plastics look awful, one would hope they would be improved upon, come production.

[Burwood]

HTP99 said:

Those visible plastics look awful, one would hope they would be improved upon, come production.

They do indeed look rough but VW have said 'the interior is rough and test ready and not production ready' this is why we can't allow any photos.

It's a safe bet they will deliver a top notch interior

[anonymous-user]

Sounds worryingly like a rushed PR/compliance car to me.

[Burwood]

sambucket said:

Sounds worryingly like a rushed PR/compliance car to me.

Why would you think that Sam?

[anonymous-user]

I'm half remembering, but don't VW face massive fines unless they build X amount of EVs and install X amount of EV infrastructure by 2020? I doubt they make any unit profit on these.

And the rush? Just look at the camo! No cabin prototype ready. They is just no incentive to impress. They just need the numbers. VW's profits will be ICE for many years.

[Baldchap]

I have put down a deposit. It's a no-lose situation. As a MX owner already, I'm well aware of the considerations involved in EV ownership, but as someone who also owns a Golf I think this has the potential to be the first truly excellent EV. IF (and only if) VW use this opportunity to do a fantastic job on the back of dieselgate (like Honda did with the VFR750 motorbike), it will be exactly what the EV naysayers need to put the nonsense to bed.

RWD is potentially a bonus too.

[Burwood]

sambucket said:

I'm half remembering, but don't VW face massive fines unless they build X amount of EVs and install X amount of EV infrastructure by 2020? I doubt they make any unit profit on these.

And the rush? Just look at the camo! No cabin prototype ready. They is just no incentive to impress. They just need the numbers. VW's profits will be ICE for many years.

I'm sure it is ready, they just want to hide it. And yes they will lose money initially, who isn't in EV. I'm sure diesel gate forced their hand. It's shaping up to be a good product. Look at the EQC. It has reviewed very well. Politically the ID is a big deal for VW. It has their full attention and cash. They won't screw it up. We will see. Pre order customers will get to test drive one before committing. Let's face it. The Golf isn't exactly poor and the ID will be a big step up on that.

[anonymous-user]

Burwood said:

I'm sure it is ready, they just want to hide it. And yes they will lose money initially, who isn't in EV. I'm sure diesel gate forced their hand. It's shaping up to be a good product. Look at the EQC. It has reviewed very well. Politically the ID is a big deal for VW. It has their full attention and cash. They won't screw it up. We will see. Pre order customers will get to test drive one before committing. Let's face it. The Golf isn't exactly poor and the ID will be a big step up on that.

Let's hope so. I don't think they have a choice really.

Just had a browse through old dieselgate threads. Quite amazing the free ride VAG enjoys on this forum.

[Burwood]

sambucket said:

Burwood said:

I'm sure it is ready, they just want to hide it. And yes they will lose money initially, who isn't in EV. I'm sure diesel gate forced their hand. It's shaping up to be a good product. Look at the EQC. It has reviewed very well. Politically the ID is a big deal for VW. It has their full attention and cash. They won't screw it up. We will see. Pre order customers will get to test drive one before committing. Let's face it. The Golf isn't exactly poor and the ID will be a big step up on that.

Let's hope so. I don't think they have a choice really.

Just had a browse through old dieselgate threads. Quite amazing the free ride VAG enjoys on this forum.

These forums aren't a good barometer of public opinion
They cheated, got caught, paid a very high price and certain individuals will be locked up. Were they all it? Probably. I've had VAG products for the past 13 years after a disaster with BMW on what was a flagship model. I'd go back to BMW. Spoilt for choice these days. In short i can't see me deviating from German. My wife won't drive anything other than a smallish SUV. She liked the X but it's far too big. Something X3/Q5 size and EV would be perfect. If the Model Y was coming soon i would consider it.

[Daaaveee]

Burwood said:

These forums aren't a good barometer of public opinion
They cheated, got caught, paid a very high price and certain individuals will be locked up. Were they all it? Probably. I've had VAG products for the past 13 years after a disaster with BMW on what was a flagship model. I'd go back to BMW. Spoilt for choice these days. In short i can't see me deviating from German. My wife won't drive anything other than a smallish SUV. She liked the X but it's far too big. Something X3/Q5 size and EV would be perfect. If the Model Y was coming soon i would consider it.

She might be in luck come 2020 or so.... https://ev-database.uk/car/1136/BMW-iX3

[Burwood]

Daaaveee said:

Burwood said:

These forums aren't a good barometer of public opinion
They cheated, got caught, paid a very high price and certain individuals will be locked up. Were they all it? Probably. I've had VAG products for the past 13 years after a disaster with BMW on what was a flagship model. I'd go back to BMW. Spoilt for choice these days. In short i can't see me deviating from German. My wife won't drive anything other than a smallish SUV. She liked the X but it's far too big. Something X3/Q5 size and EV would be perfect. If the Model Y was coming soon i would consider it.

She might be in luck come 2020 or so.... https://ev-database.uk/car/1136/BMW-iX3

Thanks Dave, 200 miles real world. Hmm, She needs more than that. Maybe it's too soon. We do quite a few road trips down to Cornwall etc which are 230 miles and i think that would be the absolute min range. Let's wait and see what they come up. The Q4 may be better. same sort of thing. The VW Id Cross is a claimed 311 so 250 real world easy. That is probably better. And they will most likely produce a 7 seater or 6 seat version given it is meant to be the Tiguan EV and that comes with 7 seats. Due last quarter of 2020

[DonkeyApple]

Burwood said:

Thanks Dave, 200 miles real world. Hmm, She needs more than that. Maybe it's too soon. We do quite a few road trips down to Cornwall etc which are 230 miles and i think that would be the absolute min range. Let's wait and see what they come up. The Q4 may be better. same sort of thing. The VW Id Cross is a claimed 311 so 250 real world easy. That is probably better. And they will most likely produce a 7 seater or 6 seat version given it is meant to be the Tiguan EV and that comes with 7 seats. Due last quarter of 2020

The thing is that given the enormous cost in money and weight to buy and carry around those batteries, in situations where you just need high Range every so often it seems more logical to buy an EV that fits your every day needs and save an awful lot of money and just rent a car for the long trips?

[Burwood]

DonkeyApple said:

Burwood said:

Thanks Dave, 200 miles real world. Hmm, She needs more than that. Maybe it's too soon. We do quite a few road trips down to Cornwall etc which are 230 miles and i think that would be the absolute min range. Let's wait and see what they come up. The Q4 may be better. same sort of thing. The VW Id Cross is a claimed 311 so 250 real world easy. That is probably better. And they will most likely produce a 7 seater or 6 seat version given it is meant to be the Tiguan EV and that comes with 7 seats. Due last quarter of 2020

The thing is that given the enormous cost in money and weight to buy and carry around those batteries, in situations where you just need high Range every so often it seems more logical to buy an EV that fits your every day needs and save an awful lot of money and just rent a car for the long trips?

Sensible solution but hiring a car is a ball ache. Reality, too soon , get her a another diesel. She clocks up 15k p.a . I’m a bit on the fence

Edited to say, I do few miles so the ID as a commuter is fine.

[dmsims]

Burwood said:

We do quite a few road trips down to Cornwall etc which are 230 miles

and you don't stop ?

[gangzoom]

dmsims said:

Burwood said:

We do quite a few road trips down to Cornwall etc which are 230 miles

and you don't stop ?

One 30 minute comfort/coffee stop at a rapid charger in any 200 miles EV would do that trip with 0 problem in any weather and at any licence safe speeds.

Best website around for EV owners, lets you plan trips, see when to stop, set speed/weather/SOC variables and see how different EVs mange all of those things.

Work on the ID been at least as efficient/range as a Chevrolet Bolt and your get a good idea how much of a pain doing your regular long distance trip will be.

https://www.abetterrouteplanner.com

Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 16th May 21:28

[Burwood]

gangzoom said:

dmsims said:

Burwood said:

We do quite a few road trips down to Cornwall etc which are 230 miles

and you don't stop ?

One 30 minute comfort/coffee stop at a rapid charger in any 200 miles EV would do that trip with 0 problem in any weather and at any licence safe speeds.

Best website around for EV owners, lets you plan trips, see when to stop, set speed/weather/SOC variables and see how different EVs mange all of those things.

https://www.abetterrouteplanner.com

I stop and am happy to be educated, that’s why I’m here. 30 minutes too long for us though unless it’s a restaurant or pub with a garden. Hoping they’ get with the programme and install chargers but Winterton be fast ones. Off the cuff, maybe it’s a necessary evil. Having maccers at a services.

[Daaaveee]

Burwood said:

I stop and am happy to be educated, that’s why I’m here. 30 minutes too long for us though unless it’s a restaurant or pub with a garden. Hoping they’ get with the programme and install chargers but Winterton be fast ones. Off the cuff, maybe it’s a necessary evil. Having maccers at a services.

Just because it can't do the longest journeys you do on one charge, doesn't mean you should discount it. Its really no hassle stopping at one of the many rapid chargers along your route and topping up the extra you need. 50kW chargers will give you around 170mph charge rate, so stop for a 20min comfort break and you'll easily get the additional miles you need.

Destination charging is another thing to think about, but there are many ways you can deal with this. There are lots of 7kw posts around these days at hotels etc, 3 pin plug with an extension lead or again just stop at another rapid for however long is needed.

After having my first EV for a month now (i3 120Ah, 'only' 145 miles real world range), it has made me realise I was worrying unnecessarily about range anxiety, and talking to people about it has shown that's their major hangup too. They just look at the range and think, 'oh that's not far enough for me to get to <holiday destination/family across country> on one charge', without thinking that they normally stop at some point to go to the toilet or eat, and how fast rapid chargers and give them the extra miles needed.

[Burwood]

Daaaveee said:

Burwood said:

I stop and am happy to be educated, that’s why I’m here. 30 minutes too long for us though unless it’s a restaurant or pub with a garden. Hoping they’ get with the programme and install chargers but Winterton be fast ones. Off the cuff, maybe it’s a necessary evil. Having maccers at a services.

Just because it can't do the longest journeys you do on one charge, doesn't mean you should discount it. Its really no hassle stopping at one of the many rapid chargers along your route and topping up the extra you need. 50kW chargers will give you around 170mph charge rate, so stop for a 20min comfort break and you'll easily get the additional miles you need.

Destination charging is another thing to think about, but there are many ways you can deal with this. There are lots of 7kw posts around these days at hotels etc, 3 pin plug with an extension lead or again just stop at another rapid for however long is needed.

After having my first EV for a month now (i3 120Ah, 'only' 145 miles real world range), it has made me realise I was worrying unnecessarily about range anxiety, and talking to people about it has shown that's their major hangup too. They just look at the range and think, 'oh that's not far enough for me to get to <holiday destination/family across country> on one charge', without thinking that they normally stop at some point to go to the toilet or eat, and how fast rapid chargers and give them the extra miles needed.

You're right of course. A bit of planning I guess. Take the Cornwall Hotel we stay at every year. They have two chargers and when I stayed last they were occupied all of the time by EV cars. Most likely just occupied as opposed to being used (parking is scarce). Perhaps they have a policy where the owner can be contacted quickly and asked to move to allow a charge. It's not rocket science but you can imagine it would grate if you couldn't get on the damn thing. Charging anxiety Maybe M/way services will greatly expand their offering over the next 12 months. It's surely on the cards.