LPG: Are smug grins allowed watching you queue for fuel?
Discussion
FilH said:
Mikebentley said:
and an account with Flo Gas.
what does that account get you?Mikebentley said:
FilH said:
Mikebentley said:
and an account with Flo Gas.
what does that account get you?is an account with them an easy thing to set up? off to read up on there website now.
Edited by FilH on Saturday 2nd October 21:43
Mikebentley said:
I work in the West Midlands and am spoilt for choice of filling stations where you are served like in the 1950s.
Mikebentley said:
It’s an LPG tank at an unmanned location as per most their sites. I can use any of their locations and have to put a data key and pin into the control panel before it authorises the fuel. I am then charged the following day by direct debit. It’s charged at 63p per litre. It is also very convenient.
Served like the 1950s at an unmanned station?The gaps in the autogas map make the 2015 EV charging infrastructure look "comprehensive".
https://www.flogas.co.uk/stockists?location=Cardif...
Evanivitch said:
Mikebentley said:
I work in the West Midlands and am spoilt for choice of filling stations where you are served like in the 1950s.
Mikebentley said:
It’s an LPG tank at an unmanned location as per most their sites. I can use any of their locations and have to put a data key and pin into the control panel before it authorises the fuel. I am then charged the following day by direct debit. It’s charged at 63p per litre. It is also very convenient.
Served like the 1950s at an unmanned station?The gaps in the autogas map make the 2015 EV charging infrastructure look "comprehensive".
https://www.flogas.co.uk/stockists?location=Cardif...
I also have a Flo Gas account which works for me where I live in Worcestershire and is unmanned 24hrs a day. I also have the use of an ICE engine of course. I’m not an evangelist for LPG or a detractor against other methods of propulsion. I was merely contributing to the thread with my personal experience.
I care little for the gaps in the Autogas network as I have a combined range of approximately 750 miles and it works for me.
Smint said:
Evanivitch said:
Is the adaptor required for the Dacias?
Hopefully MIke will tell us, if they come over already converted from factory then i suspect so.I think those Dacias are cracking value.
95% of the time I don’t even get out the car. Hand the adapter over, gas pumped, pay and leave.
It is a remarkable car for the money.
Thanks Mike.
Sadly that means a factory converted Dacia in its present form is no good for us, having only Morrisons as a fuel source within reasonable distance.
If and when we need another car, i might well approach Dacia and ask them if they would consider quoting for converting the filler to a UK standard, it would probably mean having a hole drilled in the bodywork near the existing filler point for the bigger UK spec fitting.
I could get it done myself, but that would probably mean warranty issues, so something to check, obviously an out of makers warranty used model wouldn't be an issue.
As an aside, with fuel prices rising as rapidly as they are, i'm surprised that LPG isn't gaining more popularity again.
LPG gets knocked a lot in places like this, but these of us who are regulars with the fuel; would be loath to go back to petrol only, the nay sayers who have had problems with the engines usually didn't have flashlube fitted when converted or (as in one case with a used Subaru we inspected suffering probably VSR) no one had ever bothered to top the flashlube up.
Losing power is also often mentioned, can't say there's a lot of difference between the two fuels on our Forester XT, i suspect poor (cheap) conversions using small LPG injectors/components is the real reason for underperforming conversions.
Do Dacia fit a flashlube system as standard please?
Sadly that means a factory converted Dacia in its present form is no good for us, having only Morrisons as a fuel source within reasonable distance.
If and when we need another car, i might well approach Dacia and ask them if they would consider quoting for converting the filler to a UK standard, it would probably mean having a hole drilled in the bodywork near the existing filler point for the bigger UK spec fitting.
I could get it done myself, but that would probably mean warranty issues, so something to check, obviously an out of makers warranty used model wouldn't be an issue.
As an aside, with fuel prices rising as rapidly as they are, i'm surprised that LPG isn't gaining more popularity again.
LPG gets knocked a lot in places like this, but these of us who are regulars with the fuel; would be loath to go back to petrol only, the nay sayers who have had problems with the engines usually didn't have flashlube fitted when converted or (as in one case with a used Subaru we inspected suffering probably VSR) no one had ever bothered to top the flashlube up.
Losing power is also often mentioned, can't say there's a lot of difference between the two fuels on our Forester XT, i suspect poor (cheap) conversions using small LPG injectors/components is the real reason for underperforming conversions.
Do Dacia fit a flashlube system as standard please?
Edited by Smint on Sunday 3rd October 07:59
I don’t know about flashlube as new to this. I did see in the office of a place in Birmingham half gallon containers of it. I’ve used Asda sites with no issue. I’m lucky that where I work the area is predominantly covered by Asian taxi drivers in mainly Toyotas of every variety that are converted. In these areas there are usually several conversion companies that charge between £750 and £1000 for complete conversion. I imagine a change of the filler point would be simple enough for them.
I’ll take a picture for you of my filler point in a minute.
I’ll take a picture for you of my filler point in a minute.
You might consider getting advice about having a flashlube system fitted Mike if there isn't one on there, most likely a basic vacuum fed system would be perfectly adequate (circa £120 fitted) Subaru's require more expensive electronic or pressure fed systems due to inlet design, which increases the cost of conversions by £200+ but most important.
My W124 320 Merc ran lovely and still does on LPG, that had a simple vaccum fed flashlube fitted, and as they all do it needed a cyl head gasket at around 100k, work done by my MB indy who hated the fact we had the car converted grudgingly admitted the valves etc were in perfect condition despite some 5 or 6 years running LPG at the time, though to be fair German engines are known to have harder valves so take very well to LPG, or at least that was the case before direct injection became a thing which has changed everything about this LPG lark..
Mitsubishi used to offer conversions on some new models, Outlander 1 was one such model, no flashlube was fitted i have no idea why and they often suffered VSR (valve seat recession) as a result from about 75k miles onwards, not sure how other makes offering dual fuel have fared over this issue, you could get Subaru Volvo Ford and Vauxhalls and some PSA vans convered from new at one time, i understand many Scoobys need subsequent valve work under warranty so doubt they used flashlube.
My W124 320 Merc ran lovely and still does on LPG, that had a simple vaccum fed flashlube fitted, and as they all do it needed a cyl head gasket at around 100k, work done by my MB indy who hated the fact we had the car converted grudgingly admitted the valves etc were in perfect condition despite some 5 or 6 years running LPG at the time, though to be fair German engines are known to have harder valves so take very well to LPG, or at least that was the case before direct injection became a thing which has changed everything about this LPG lark..
Mitsubishi used to offer conversions on some new models, Outlander 1 was one such model, no flashlube was fitted i have no idea why and they often suffered VSR (valve seat recession) as a result from about 75k miles onwards, not sure how other makes offering dual fuel have fared over this issue, you could get Subaru Volvo Ford and Vauxhalls and some PSA vans convered from new at one time, i understand many Scoobys need subsequent valve work under warranty so doubt they used flashlube.
It’s a new car with a warranty for 3 years. It will be changed at that point. If it breaks
they will have to fix it. I can’t imagine they have not considered future used issues. The engine is very good. 999cc 3 cyl twin cam turbo, 100bhp. I am saving over my previously leased van( with restricted mileage) over £130 per week. This was an exercise in reducing my costs during CV19 and was the best transport decision I have made. Whilst filling ten minutes ago a driving instructor in a V40 R design was there and she said they had run their learner cars on LPG for 10 years.
Mikebentley said:
Evanivitch said:
Mikebentley said:
I work in the West Midlands and am spoilt for choice of filling stations where you are served like in the 1950s.
Mikebentley said:
It’s an LPG tank at an unmanned location as per most their sites. I can use any of their locations and have to put a data key and pin into the control panel before it authorises the fuel. I am then charged the following day by direct debit. It’s charged at 63p per litre. It is also very convenient.
Served like the 1950s at an unmanned station?The gaps in the autogas map make the 2015 EV charging infrastructure look "comprehensive".
https://www.flogas.co.uk/stockists?location=Cardif...
I also have a Flo Gas account which works for me where I live in Worcestershire and is unmanned 24hrs a day. I also have the use of an ICE engine of course. I’m not an evangelist for LPG or a detractor against other methods of propulsion. I was merely contributing to the thread with my personal experience.
I care little for the gaps in the Autogas network as I have a combined range of approximately 750 miles and it works for me.
All LPG in my area:-
Petrol stations:-
EV charging:-
The b
d thing is, and this I hadn't reckoned on... I've been going out to get fuel for others. Jerry-cans aplenty, I passed a dozen-odd filling-stations. Must have burnt the gas equiv. of a gallon of petrol, and still failed.
So much for me saying "Shut the lot down, bring it on..." By virtue of not being at risk of running out searching, this thing caught me in the finish.
I'm sure the Dacia works, mine's differnet again. I love the way I fuel. Running CNG fuelling comes in at 37-47p a litre, and you can’t run cheaper. It works. Unmanned stations, or Homefill. Sadly, no opportunity to wait to get on a pump, [whilst someone gets their week's shop].
Not to be confused with LPG, which by tradition were nearly always some shonk-conversion ‘thrown-in’ under a railway-arch. Thousands were done, and unless you were lucky, almost all were awful. Excepting a few factory-fits, and proper conversions, this sort of thing was all too typical…
Put any two ‘dim and dimmer’ EVs in relay and against a proper Biogas set-up, you’ll outrun them by a 50 mile margin on range. And then switch to petrol. Obliterate any EV. Greener too - the more harmful greenhouse gas is not CO2, it’s methane. The modern world produces too much methane. We do nothing with it. No one seems to ask why we can’t burn CNG/LNG in our vehicles? Biogas is very green. Why only a small band of corporates use it to fuel their fork-lift /HGV fleet is a whole other debate.
d thing is, and this I hadn't reckoned on... I've been going out to get fuel for others. Jerry-cans aplenty, I passed a dozen-odd filling-stations. Must have burnt the gas equiv. of a gallon of petrol, and still failed. So much for me saying "Shut the lot down, bring it on..." By virtue of not being at risk of running out searching, this thing caught me in the finish.
I'm sure the Dacia works, mine's differnet again. I love the way I fuel. Running CNG fuelling comes in at 37-47p a litre, and you can’t run cheaper. It works. Unmanned stations, or Homefill. Sadly, no opportunity to wait to get on a pump, [whilst someone gets their week's shop].
anonymous said:
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What Twix, what LPG, which shop? There is no shop. It’s not unlike EV, and cheaper.Not to be confused with LPG, which by tradition were nearly always some shonk-conversion ‘thrown-in’ under a railway-arch. Thousands were done, and unless you were lucky, almost all were awful. Excepting a few factory-fits, and proper conversions, this sort of thing was all too typical…
gazza285 said:
I tried LPG, it made my vehicle slow and unresponsive, the range was ste, and because you had to wring its neck to make any sort of progress, it worked out no cheaper than the diesel it replaced.
The spare wheel in the load space thing annoyed me as well.
LPG burns at a higher temperature as well, which contributed to the head gasket failure, after that I got rid, and good riddance.
If it was down on power this was a home-brew or back-street shonk. A proper system fires in petrol at higher rpm, thus runs gas for 98% of the time, when you need oomph, it's a petrol. te, and because you had to wring its neck to make any sort of progress, it worked out no cheaper than the diesel it replaced. The spare wheel in the load space thing annoyed me as well.
LPG burns at a higher temperature as well, which contributed to the head gasket failure, after that I got rid, and good riddance.
Put any two ‘dim and dimmer’ EVs in relay and against a proper Biogas set-up, you’ll outrun them by a 50 mile margin on range. And then switch to petrol. Obliterate any EV. Greener too - the more harmful greenhouse gas is not CO2, it’s methane. The modern world produces too much methane. We do nothing with it. No one seems to ask why we can’t burn CNG/LNG in our vehicles? Biogas is very green. Why only a small band of corporates use it to fuel their fork-lift /HGV fleet is a whole other debate.
Edited by OldDuffer on Monday 4th October 11:20
OldDuffer said:
I've not done it that way in years, when I used to run LPG, i had a bulk tank. I understand that runs at roughly 49p a litre.
Not an option for me - can't have a tank installed at home - so would have to pay 70-85p a litre, plus the 30 minute each way trip to the few garages which have it.Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff