Batteries are not the Solution, Synthetic Fuels maybe
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DMZ said:
What happens if in let’s say five years time nothing bad has actually happened? Actual bad things, not some glacier getting a bit smaller somewhere. Can we then just go back to normal again?
This is the good position that we find ourselves in in the U.K. If it were to all be proven to be a giant wind up we would still have transformed into an economy no longer held to ransoms by the USD or OPEC and other oil producers.
Becoming energy self sufficient is such an enormous benefit to the U.K. economy on multiple fronts. Not just stable household and business costs but a more stable economy.
On top of that, our industry tends to mainly be very modern so we won't have had the huge fiscal drag of trying to get old industry compliant.
From a U.K. perspective it really doesn't matter.
Most cars are better as EV’s. Particularly cooking versions. Our lowly eGolf is a far superior driving experience than any of its equivalent petrol or diesel versions. It’s weird how most EV naysayers always seem to be the sort who drive crummy cars that would actually be much better if they were EV’s. Almost as though they prefer to suffer the rubbishness. It’s a weird one.
dvs_dave said:
Most cars are better as EV’s. Particularly cooking versions. Our lowly eGolf is a far superior driving experience than any of its equivalent petrol or diesel versions. It’s weird how most EV naysayers always seem to be the sort who drive crummy cars that would actually be much better if they were EV’s. Almost as though they prefer to suffer the rubbishness. It’s a weird one.
Because the negativity is multi layered. Some is 100% justified concern while some is just the same hate by proxy that drives many social dislikes. The latter doesn't matter and we know from past experience that those people will tend to become rabid supporters once they finally get their hands on an EV. You can already see this in some of the PH posting from travelling salesmen o see their electric motor as the equivalent of the 80s coloured plastic stripe on the bumper that defined them as a better human being. But those with justified concerns shouldn't be shouted down and should definitely be listened to so that mobility can be maintained.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Wednesday 15th February 07:12
DMZ said:
Really? Wasn’t there supposed to be a hockey stick with the planet on fire and dead bodies everywhere? If nothing much happens then I suspect people will be about as interested in climate change as they are in Covid-19 these days. You can only beat on the fear drum for so long.
The concern is that if things are allowed to get really bad, they won’t be reversible. dvs_dave said:
Most cars are better as EV’s. Particularly cooking versions. Our lowly eGolf is a far superior driving experience than any of its equivalent petrol or diesel versions. It’s weird how most EV naysayers always seem to be the sort who drive crummy cars that would actually be much better if they were EV’s. Almost as though they prefer to suffer the rubbishness. It’s a weird one.
This is very 80s and Hyacinth Bucket. Of course there is not much between a eGolf and GTE and if you buying into the dream, you need something really electric like ID3/4, hence the eGolf has gone and the Golf being replaced by an interesting named Taos. Why are we sullying this thread with talk about EVs? Is it not about performance fuels and proper cars? And perhaps the other 90-odd% of vehicles out there.
If you want to drive an EV and think that’s better, go for it. There is factually absolutely nobody stopping you, it’s nearly encouraged the last I looked. I have one on the driveway that I can’t be that bothered with but it does what it does very well and I have no problem being a passenger in it and I most definitely don’t have a problem with more of them as they are very pleasant to be around so do please continue to buy them and we’ll all benefit.
If you want to drive an EV and think that’s better, go for it. There is factually absolutely nobody stopping you, it’s nearly encouraged the last I looked. I have one on the driveway that I can’t be that bothered with but it does what it does very well and I have no problem being a passenger in it and I most definitely don’t have a problem with more of them as they are very pleasant to be around so do please continue to buy them and we’ll all benefit.
ZesPak said:
DonkeyApple said:
You can already see this in some of the PH posting from travelling salesmen o see their electric motor as the equivalent of the 80s coloured plastic stripe on the bumper that defined them as a better human being.
But my 205 was better than most!
DMZ said:
Why are we sullying this thread with talk about EVs? Is it not about performance fuels and proper cars? And perhaps the other 90-odd% of vehicles out there.
If you want to drive an EV and think that’s better, go for it. There is factually absolutely nobody stopping you, it’s nearly encouraged the last I looked. I have one on the driveway that I can’t be that bothered with but it does what it does very well and I have no problem being a passenger in it and I most definitely don’t have a problem with more of them as they are very pleasant to be around so do please continue to buy them and we’ll all benefit.
It's because of the link being made by some that the appearance of extremely costly petrol alternatives for the decarbonisation of some niche industries will somehow end the slow switch to electric cars. Ie the clue is in the title. If you want to drive an EV and think that’s better, go for it. There is factually absolutely nobody stopping you, it’s nearly encouraged the last I looked. I have one on the driveway that I can’t be that bothered with but it does what it does very well and I have no problem being a passenger in it and I most definitely don’t have a problem with more of them as they are very pleasant to be around so do please continue to buy them and we’ll all benefit.
There is another efuel/synth fuel thread that isn't constructed on that misnomer but seeks to discuss how they could be used by much more affluent ICE users to opt to decarbonise their personal indulgence.
GT9 said:
ZesPak said:
DonkeyApple said:
You can already see this in some of the PH posting from travelling salesmen o see their electric motor as the equivalent of the 80s coloured plastic stripe on the bumper that defined them as a better human being.
But my 205 was better than most!
Besides, real players didn't own a Pug but did invest time and money on girls who had been bought a Roland Garros pug by her father so that we knew how filthy she was.
ashenfie said:
dvs_dave said:
Most cars are better as EV’s. Particularly cooking versions. Our lowly eGolf is a far superior driving experience than any of its equivalent petrol or diesel versions. It’s weird how most EV naysayers always seem to be the sort who drive crummy cars that would actually be much better if they were EV’s. Almost as though they prefer to suffer the rubbishness. It’s a weird one.
This is very 80s and Hyacinth Bucket. Of course there is not much between a eGolf and GTE and if you buying into the dream, you need something really electric like ID3/4, hence the eGolf has gone and the Golf being replaced by an interesting named Taos. When my wife had to ditch her eGolf due to change of needs (i.e. daily use went up to 2 x 74 mile round trips with max fours hours charging space between them) she got a 1.5 TSi Golf manual as a stop gap. The drivetrain makes such a difference. I used to choose her eGolf over my E350d as it was just so much nicer to drive - it's the quickness of response and the ability to measure out just the right amount of acceleration and deceleration with regen that I found addictive - it's just a cleaner, crisper, more precise experience which I really like. I avoid using her petrol Golf unless I have to as it is just so dim witted and sluggish in comparison despite being 14hp down up peak power and a second or so quicker to sixty.
Her Cupra Born turns up in the next few weeks and cannot wait to get rid of the petrol Golf and have an EV back in the household.
Edited by plfrench on Wednesday 15th February 11:07
Archie2050 said:
GT9 said:
I swapped my 1.6 wheels for 1.9 wheels, instantly made me a better person.
Sunroof or no sunroof?That sorts the men from the boys!
Had two of them many moons ago.. sold the last one for £450 about 20 years ago. Doh.
dvs_dave said:
Most cars are better as EV’s. Particularly cooking versions. Our lowly eGolf is a far superior driving experience than any of its equivalent petrol or diesel versions. It’s weird how most EV naysayers always seem to be the sort who drive crummy cars that would actually be much better if they were EV’s. Almost as though they prefer to suffer the rubbishness. It’s a weird one.
Define 'better'Gary C said:
Define 'better'
This bloody thing I've got as a courtesy car would not have an annoyingly inconsistent throttle response (Will there be any boost? Will it decide to change down? How long will it be before anything actually happens? Place bets now!) and wouldn't make a coarse and uncouth noise when doing so.Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff