So who is getting a Model 3?

[FurtiveFreddy]

Heres Johnny said:

TWO MORE MONTHS while they fix his delivery issues. FFS

There are stories like these about every car manufacturer if you dig deep enough or follow a particular marque.

Which £30-£40k car should I buy so I'm guaranteed no quality/service issues and fantastic customer support?

Come to that, which car of any value will guarantee that?

[Heres Johnny]

p1stonhead said:

There is a thread here posted the past month where someones Boxster was made with the wrong gearbox. I believe has a loaner for several months until sorted.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Internet anecdotes exist for every manufacturer.

Read back

2% of cars had to be left at the dealer due to faults on collection

half had faults

[p1stonhead]

Heres Johnny said:

p1stonhead said:

There is a thread here posted the past month where someones Boxster was made with the wrong gearbox. I believe has a loaner for several months until sorted.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Internet anecdotes exist for every manufacturer.

Read back

2% of cars had to be left at the dealer due to faults on collection

half had faults

Yet they have 400k pre-orders (or intentions to pre order).

Lets see how manythey actually sell. I reckon something between a lot and a st load.

I see probably ten teslas a day round my way and thats a £60k+ car. I think the '3' will sell like hotcakes TBH.

[Heres Johnny]

p1stonhead said:

Heres Johnny said:

p1stonhead said:

There is a thread here posted the past month where someones Boxster was made with the wrong gearbox. I believe has a loaner for several months until sorted.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Internet anecdotes exist for every manufacturer.

Read back

2% of cars had to be left at the dealer due to faults on collection

half had faults

Yet they have 400k pre-orders (or intentions to pre order).

Lets see how manythey actually sell. I reckon something between a lot and a st load.

I see probably ten teslas a day round my way and thats a £60k+ car. I think the '3' will sell like hotcakes TBH.

And they will be bankrupt in a year if they have the same quality problems.

How much do you think it costs to replace all the seats in a car and get it resprayed? That's what some owners are having done and are given a loan car for months while it happens. 5k? 10k? There is no margin on the model 3 to fund that even if there is on a 100k Model 3

[austinsmirk]

Zoon said:

The pricing puts me off, a US price of 35k, which equates to 27k here at present rates but the people in the know seem to suggest a $ for £ swap, making it £35k here.

well our leaf was £32,500 (if you believe that) brand new. its on PCP. which is £205 a mth. with its discounts and grants chucked in.

it could have been less, for a lesser model. or even less, for a used one.

part of me thinks- hopefully, probably wrongly- the Tesla might be similar of course. £27K, naturally will go up: but what too.

And for me, its March 2019 when we need a new one, so time for the dust to settle and see where they are. Nissan will have its all new leaf out by then, which of course will be wonderful I'm sure.

[raspy]

Up to $59,000 for a Model 3. Bloody hell, looks like they ain't as cheap as we thought they would be...

https://www.ft.com/content/b1f71856-7421-11e7-90c0...

[FurtiveFreddy]

raspy said:

Up to $59,000 for a Model 3. Bloody hell, looks like they ain't as cheap as we thought they would be...

https://www.ft.com/content/b1f71856-7421-11e7-90c0...

How much did you think it would be? $35k was always clearly the BASE price.

As I've had to point out on the other M3 thread, Tesla is an American car and in America they have always advertised the base price with absolutely no options or 'free' bits and then you build your specification from there. it's a different model to what we might be used to in the UK, but the fact is you CAN buy a Model 3 for $35k and it will still be a very capable car at that price.

[raspy]

I knew it would be around $35,000 or UK equivalent for the base model. I have owned two Lexus cars, so I guess I'm used to not having to specify options :-)

Anyway, time for me to save a bit harder before my Model 3 arrives...

[FurtiveFreddy]

raspy said:

I knew it would be around $35,000 or UK equivalent for the base model. I have owned two Lexus cars, so I guess I'm used to not having to specify options :-)

Anyway, time for me to save a bit harder before my Model 3 arrives...

You've got plenty of time to save and so have I. The Tesla FAQ now says RHD markets won't get cars until 2019. Must admit, I got that prediction completely wrong!

[Blaster72]

2019 and around £40k for a car with good resale spec. If the pound keeps weakening it could be even more, puts it right in the range for Model S which seems on the surface to be a much more practical car.

Going slightly off topic, does anyone know if these cars are any good at wading? I'm guessing a flooding road would be no issue but not seen anything on the wading depth. Just curious, no agenda!

[raspy]

FurtiveFreddy said:

You've got plenty of time to save and so have I. The Tesla FAQ now says RHD markets won't get cars until 2019. Must admit, I got that prediction completely wrong!

Oh dear. I put my deposit down hoping it would be summer of 2018 latest when my lease runs out on the Prius. To be honest, I'm now sort of tempted to see what the new Leaf is like and whether it is available in 2018, I hope it will be a vastly improved car than the current model, especially the driver assistance tech.

[gangzoom]

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Personally I don't think we'll see RHD cars till 2020, Tesla want to shift as many cars as possible and by the looks of things North American and European demand is more than enough to keep the production lines going for years - they don't have any incentive to slow down production for the sake of a few RHD cars.

As for the competition lets looks at whats happened in the last few years.......

• I first started to look at the Leaf in 2014 and ordered in 2015, in that time till now the only thing Nissan has changed is up the battery from 24 to 30kWh

• The 2017 i3 has a 33kWh battery instead of 22kWh, nothing else new.

• Renault has done better with a 40kWh Zoe instead of 22kWh but still hampered by stupid battery lease

This is just a small of changes Tesla have made to their cars since 2014:

• Introduced autopilot hardware on all cars, and upgraded the hardware to version 2.0

• As of last month the 'base' Model S/X is now as quick to 60mph as the top spec P85 cars from 2014.

• The 'base' Model S/X is now rumoured to be shipping with a 85kWh battery, that's the same battery capacity as the top spec cars from 2014.

• Introduced into production not just the Model X but now Model 3

Anyone who think Tesla are now just going to sit back and chill clearly haven't followed the company for long enough. Change/updating the cars constantly is in Tesla's DNA. By the time the first Model 3 hits UK shores the spec will be totally different from now - I'll bet everything I own on that fact.

If I was BMW/Merc/Audi I would be crapping my pants now, the base Model 3 costs the SAME as a 330i/2.0L Merc C in the US. It takes most traditional manufactures a whole product cycle (5-7 years) to deliver the kind of change/updates Tesla have done in 2-3 years. The problem is if these traditional manufactures use the current 3 as their benchmark target, by the time their car is ready Tesla is another 5 steps ahead.....

But lets ignore all that, the Model S was launched in 2012, it was the first real life 200miles+ EV. 5 years on how many other 200 miles+ range EV can you go out and buy??

The Model 3 is long been launched with a 300 miles+ real range, if anything Tesla have stretched their lead in the EV field by a even bigger margin!!

[p1stonhead]

Apparently orders have risen to over 500k according to Musk.

https://electrek.co/2017/07/29/elon-musk-confirms-...

[red_slr]

I cant see them not delivering within 2018. I think supply will be limited yes, but 2020 is too far away. The investment the have in the dealerships and staff is now quite serious. To run that operation for another 3 years without a new product is going to be very expensive. I think they are going to struggle for sales as it is. And I have a deposit on a model 3 fwiw.

I placed my deposit not long ago so I don't expect I will see a car till 2019 but I can live with that. By which time I hope more options will come along and any issues will be ironed out.

[gangzoom]

red_slr said:

I cant see them not delivering within 2018. I think supply will be limited yes, but 2020 is too far away. The investment the have in the dealerships and staff is now quite serious. To run that operation for another 3 years without a new product is going to be very expensive. I think they are going to struggle for sales as it is.

Have you been to Tesla dealership in the UK recently?

They can barely keep up with demand on the S/X let alone worry about 3 sales, they have been opening up dedicated delivery areas because they have so many cars to shift, same story with Supercharging capacity.

The RHD market makes up a small part of overall sales, for the Model 3 the North American/European markets will be served first, and lets not forget about China. We could be waiting a long long time for the first RHD 3.

[Dazed and Confused]

p1stonhead said:

Heres Johnny said:

p1stonhead said:

There is a thread here posted the past month where someones Boxster was made with the wrong gearbox. I believe has a loaner for several months until sorted.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Internet anecdotes exist for every manufacturer.

Read back

2% of cars had to be left at the dealer due to faults on collection

half had faults

Yet they have 400k pre-orders (or intentions to pre order).

Lets see how manythey actually sell. I reckon something between a lot and a st load.

I see probably ten teslas a day round my way and thats a £60k+ car. I think the '3' will sell like hotcakes TBH.

I see very few model S, (minicabs aside) nothing.like 10 a day. Why do you think the 3 will be a massive sucess. Made in the States where EVs make even less sense than they do here We aren't exactly mad keen on American cars in the UK.

[raspy]

red_slr said:

I cant see them not delivering within 2018. I think supply will be limited yes, but 2020 is too far away. The investment the have in the dealerships and staff is now quite serious. To run that operation for another 3 years without a new product is going to be very expensive. I think they are going to struggle for sales as it is. And I have a deposit on a model 3 fwiw.

I placed my deposit not long ago so I don't expect I will see a car till 2019 but I can live with that. By which time I hope more options will come along and any issues will be ironed out.

I placed my deposit immediately the day they started taking pre orders for the Model 3, 31st March 2016, and yet their website shows estimated delivery of early 2019 for me.

[Dazed and Confused]

Dazed and Confused said:

p1stonhead said:

Heres Johnny said:

p1stonhead said:

There is a thread here posted the past month where someones Boxster was made with the wrong gearbox. I believe has a loaner for several months until sorted.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Internet anecdotes exist for every manufacturer.

Read back

2% of cars had to be left at the dealer due to faults on collection

half had faults

Yet they have 400k pre-orders (or intentions to pre order).

Lets see how manythey actually sell. I reckon something between a lot and a st load.

I see probably ten teslas a day round my way and thats a £60k+ car. I think the '3' will sell like hotcakes TBH.

I see very few model S, (minicabs aside) nothing.like 10 a day. Why do you think the 3 will be a massive sucess. Made in the States where EVs make even less sense than they do here We aren't exactly mad keen on American cars in the UK.

From another webpage I've found there's just over 2000 Model S on UK roads. Hardly a slam dunk success given it's been on sale for nearly six years.

[p1stonhead]

Dazed and Confused said:

Dazed and Confused said:

p1stonhead said:

Heres Johnny said:

p1stonhead said:

There is a thread here posted the past month where someones Boxster was made with the wrong gearbox. I believe has a loaner for several months until sorted.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Internet anecdotes exist for every manufacturer.

Read back

2% of cars had to be left at the dealer due to faults on collection

half had faults

Yet they have 400k pre-orders (or intentions to pre order).

Lets see how manythey actually sell. I reckon something between a lot and a st load.

I see probably ten teslas a day round my way and thats a £60k+ car. I think the '3' will sell like hotcakes TBH.

I see very few model S, (minicabs aside) nothing.like 10 a day. Why do you think the 3 will be a massive sucess. Made in the States where EVs make even less sense than they do here We aren't exactly mad keen on American cars in the UK.

From another webpage I've found there's just over 2000 Model S on UK roads. Hardly a slam dunk success given it's been on sale for nearly six years.

4 years in Europe. I reckon getting two people a day to drop £70k+ on a car from a little relatively unknown American electric car company is actually pretty good.

Edited by p1stonhead on Sunday 30th July 11:10

[red_slr]

gangzoom said:

red_slr said:

I cant see them not delivering within 2018. I think supply will be limited yes, but 2020 is too far away. The investment the have in the dealerships and staff is now quite serious. To run that operation for another 3 years without a new product is going to be very expensive. I think they are going to struggle for sales as it is.

Have you been to Tesla dealership in the UK recently?

They can barely keep up with demand on the S/X let alone worry about 3 sales, they have been opening up dedicated delivery areas because they have so many cars to shift, same story with Supercharging capacity.

The RHD market makes up a small part of overall sales, for the Model 3 the North American/European markets will be served first, and lets not forget about China. We could be waiting a long long time for the first RHD 3.

Yes. That's not what I have seen.