The push for us to have electric cars
Discussion
Garvin said:
I think we all know that EVs charge slower which is the point. I for one, am not looking forward to the retrograde (and it is retrograde now matter how some try to explain it away) step of enforced long stops and waiting periods on long journeys.
These are the two main downsides. They take longer to fill up than an ICE car, but use their tanks at approximately twice the rate.Cheaper (on a home charger) yes. And that low down torque will be great. But what a load of hassle to get it.
No such thing as a free lunch they say..,
Cobnapint said:
Garvin said:
I think we all know that EVs charge slower which is the point. I for one, am not looking forward to the retrograde (and it is retrograde now matter how some try to explain it away) step of enforced long stops and waiting periods on long journeys.
These are the two main downsides. They take longer to fill up than an ICE car, but use their tanks at approximately twice the rate.Cheaper (on a home charger) yes. And that low down torque will be great. But what a load of hassle to get it.
No such thing as a free lunch they say..,
Cobnapint said:
These are the two main downsides. They take longer to fill up than an ICE car, but use their tanks at approximately twice the rate.
Cheaper (on a home charger) yes. And that low down torque will be great. But what a load of hassle to get it.
No such thing as a free lunch they say..,
Says a diseasel SUV ownerCheaper (on a home charger) yes. And that low down torque will be great. But what a load of hassle to get it.
No such thing as a free lunch they say..,
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Is it? Who says?anonymous said:
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This isn't new information.anonymous said:
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People have already looked at it, repeatedly and in depth.anonymous said:
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Quite simple to tax BEV by weight which is roughly proportional to size of battery and embodied energy.anonymous said:
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And I think beyond local pollution, in a personal and professional capacity.
Cobnapint said:
Yes, exactly. The planet's climate has been changing for hundreds of thousands of years - hard to believe for Greta, but way before the industrial revolution and the invention of nasty petrol and diesel engines.
Truth is, we've reached the stage where ICEs have never been cleaner, so what do we do? Get rid of them in a notional period of just 10 years. Bonkers.
Would you sit in your garage with your "never been cleaner" engine running?Truth is, we've reached the stage where ICEs have never been cleaner, so what do we do? Get rid of them in a notional period of just 10 years. Bonkers.
dmsims said:
Says a diseasel SUV owner
I love this brigade who slate diesel engines in cars. What a narrow view of an engine which excels in ships, railways engines, stationary engines such as generator sets, tractors and other agricultural equipment, not to mention heavy trucks and all the other applications I've forgotten. Demonising a successful technology which literally powers the real world 
bigothunter said:
I love this brigade who slate diesel engines in cars. What a narrow view of an engine which excels in ships, railways engines, stationary engines such as generator sets, tractors and other agricultural equipment, not to mention heavy trucks and all the other applications I've forgotten. Demonising a successful technology which literally powers the real world
And kick out loads of pollutionanonymous said:
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You were highlighting the carbon footprint considerations during both manufacture and use, which is pretty much the exact definition of 'lifecycle', not sure why you don't see the point.We've had this conversation a few times now. Go back to first principles. When a technology has both markedly increased simplicity (i.e. low parts count, simpler bill of materials) AND an in-use efficiency advantage of several times better than any other emerging alternative, and something like 4-5 times better than incumbent technology there can be very little doubt that it will be far superior in lifecycle pollution at equivalent volumes. The nail in the coffin for ICEs (and fuel cells to some degree) is the capability to source all of the manufacturing and in-use energy from renewables.
Even at existing low volumes, the typical case for lifecycle pollution footprint is attractive.
I wlil also reiterate (seemingly on a daily basis now) that EV components, and in particular, batteries are highly recyclable, so once enough materials are out of the ground, the long term picture also looks attractive.
Any senior decision maker amongst authorities and manufacturers will be aware and acting of this information above, everything else becomes secondary. Hence the indomitable rise of the EV.
As for rare earth magnets.
These are a nice-to-have in an EV for the purposes of propulsion, rather than a must-have, and there is already a trend to motor designs that minimise the amount used. This is achieved by embedding the magnets inside the rotor, rather than on the surface.
If push comes to shove, induction motors without any permanent magnets can and have been used successfully for high-efficiency EV traction motors.
Cobnapint said:
They used to. That's the point.
The dirty diseasel mantra is simplistic and naive. Try this for starters:https://www.dieselforum.org/about-clean-diesel/wha...
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When city centres are introducing "clean air zones", are they trying to reduce local CO2 emissions? No...There's many reasons for the UK and wider nations moving to electric vehicles. CO2 emissions are just part of that. Local pollution, independence from energy imports, growing an emerging industry etc
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With headlines like these appearing a few year back, you can be pretty certain that the push for EVs from local and national government will be just as much base on 'local pollution' issues, as global carbon emissions.https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/...
I know this post will generate several robust responses along the lines of 'rubbish', 'b
ks' and 'the air has never been cleaner'. Regardless, the information is out there and being acted upon, I'm just the messenger.bigothunter said:
Cobnapint said:
They used to. That's the point.
The dirty diseasel mantra is simplistic and naive. Try this for starters:https://www.dieselforum.org/about-clean-diesel/wha...
Why do you think these sort of articles always gloss over the reality of the end-of-life emissions profile?
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