Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive (Vol. 2)
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Tuna said:
As it is, if you can already get 10K off a brand new E-Tron, I'd be concerned on the depreciation in a few year's time when the next gen comes out.
That's rather the point. It won't be long until we're at price parity. Diesel sales had already collapsed even before the pandemic, and continue to decline. Plug-in sales continue to increase. It's why my E-Tron is on a lease, and why I ditched my diesel A7.Witchfinder said:
That's rather the point. It won't be long until we're at price parity. Diesel sales had already collapsed even before the pandemic, and continue to decline. Plug-in sales continue to increase. It's why my E-Tron is on a lease, and why I ditched my diesel A7.
"Won't be long"? It's three years after Tesla launched the car they claimed would cost $35K (still a premium price) - the base price of the poverty spec model is still $40K.Tuna said:
"Won't be long"? It's three years after Tesla launched the car they claimed would cost $35K (still a premium price) - the base price of the poverty spec model is still $40K.
Just a random thought, will price of diesel cars will trend up as emission fines start to bite, or are the fines not that significant. ZesPak said:
Tuna said:
"Won't be long"? It's three years after Tesla launched the car they claimed would cost $35K (still a premium price) - the base price of the poverty spec model is still $40K.
38k in the US. Well under the 35k in some states. Do you have a link to these low prices?
coetzeeh said:
ZesPak said:
Tuna said:
"Won't be long"? It's three years after Tesla launched the car they claimed would cost $35K (still a premium price) - the base price of the poverty spec model is still $40K.
38k in the US. Well under the 35k in some states. Do you have a link to these low prices?
And to be fair for everyone, you need to take the prices before tax rebates and ‘benefits’ are added. Tesla is running out of theirs and other manufacturers still have full rebates, so you should really quote prices without them applied.
off_again said:
Which states? The 35k model (closer to $36k and you need to add tax) is an off book order that has to be done specially by a sales person in a store (Edmunds did it recently) and it’s a pain.
And to be fair for everyone, you need to take the prices before tax rebates and ‘benefits’ are added. Tesla is running out of theirs and other manufacturers still have full rebates, so you should really quote prices without them applied.
38k is the base US model on the website without benefits or rebates.And to be fair for everyone, you need to take the prices before tax rebates and ‘benefits’ are added. Tesla is running out of theirs and other manufacturers still have full rebates, so you should really quote prices without them applied.
coetzeeh said:
Do your quoted include all taxes ie on the road price?
Do you have a link to these low prices?
https://www.tesla.com/model3Do you have a link to these low prices?
Edited by ZesPak on Sunday 8th November 17:23
This interview is interesting if true, the boss of Toyota appears not to be bothered by Tesla. I'm not entirely sure what that thing is behind him, but I didn't know it was still the 1960s, last I checked we are about enter 2021.
I have to say am not entirely surprised the contrast in tech between our Tesla and Lexus is so massive its quite astounding. The next few years really will be interesting to watch in the auto industry, Nokia achieved their highest ever sales figures in 2007, the year the iPhone was launched. Toyota appears to be as interested in innovation right now as Nokia was back than.
https://insideevs.com/news/452971/tesla-future-rec...
I have to say am not entirely surprised the contrast in tech between our Tesla and Lexus is so massive its quite astounding. The next few years really will be interesting to watch in the auto industry, Nokia achieved their highest ever sales figures in 2007, the year the iPhone was launched. Toyota appears to be as interested in innovation right now as Nokia was back than.
https://insideevs.com/news/452971/tesla-future-rec...
It's strange how these companies can be left behind, you can see the attitude which causes that on this thread alone. Angry old men who refuse to accept progress.
Luckily for us progress does not give a s
t what they think, it happens anyway.
Eg since this thread started Tesla has become worth twice what Toyota is worth, because the vast majority of people can see EVs are the future
Luckily for us progress does not give a s
t what they think, it happens anyway.Eg since this thread started Tesla has become worth twice what Toyota is worth, because the vast majority of people can see EVs are the future
Don't forget that there's billions invested in ICE tech and these companies know how to make it.
Admitting to leaving that behind WILL cause them billions now instead of more billions maybe in X number of years.
The best story to this was Kodak essentially inventing a working digital camera and then putting it in a vault. This was in the '70s and management just didn't want it as it would mean the end of life for camera film, their main product.
Admitting to leaving that behind WILL cause them billions now instead of more billions maybe in X number of years.
The best story to this was Kodak essentially inventing a working digital camera and then putting it in a vault. This was in the '70s and management just didn't want it as it would mean the end of life for camera film, their main product.
ZesPak said:
Don't forget that there's billions invested in ICE tech and these companies know how to make it.
Admitting to leaving that behind WILL cause them billions now instead of more billions maybe in X number of years.
The best story to this was Kodak essentially inventing a working digital camera and then putting it in a vault. This was in the '70s and management just didn't want it as it would mean the end of life for camera film, their main product.
You do remember the Prius? And you are aware of Toyota's work with hydrogen cars? And electric cars?Admitting to leaving that behind WILL cause them billions now instead of more billions maybe in X number of years.
The best story to this was Kodak essentially inventing a working digital camera and then putting it in a vault. This was in the '70s and management just didn't want it as it would mean the end of life for camera film, their main product.
I worked with one of the senior C-level guys from Kodak... many interesting stories. To think that Toyota (that pioneered Kanban processes, currently termed "Agile") are not aware of the stories of Kodak, Nokia, Palm and many others is quite frankly delusional.
ZesPak said:
That’s pre local taxes- each state is different so they exclude from the website, pretty much everything in the US is priced before sales taxCalifornia for instance adds a little over 10%
ZesPak said:
History doesn't repeat itself. It just rhymes.
I'm well aware of Toyotas efforts. I'm a big fan of the company.
They probably have their reasons for not going ev, but all I've heard so far is "what we have now is good".
The thing is, they don't need to build up a presence. They sold 1.2 million Corollas last year, and nearly a million RAV4's - the top two global models from any manufacturer. What they have now is good. It's as simple as that.I'm well aware of Toyotas efforts. I'm a big fan of the company.
They probably have their reasons for not going ev, but all I've heard so far is "what we have now is good".
With those sales, they can wait for everyone else to make the false steps and mistakes (*cough* VW), and continue to explore other alternatives such as hydrogen fuel cells. Their scale means an entirely different cadence - no need to rush to market until you know your next platform will match the figures your current platform achieves. Without the pressures like dieselgate and EU fines pushing them to hasty decisions, there really is no reason to push out a half-assed product for the sake of it.
You've chosen the states with the highest rates of state sales/use tax and one of the highest combined .
Plenty of states that either charge 0% or a far smaller percentage than California.
https://taxfoundation.org/2020-sales-taxes/
Plenty of states that either charge 0% or a far smaller percentage than California.
https://taxfoundation.org/2020-sales-taxes/
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