Are Electric Cars the biggest con on the planet?
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Dingu said:
poo at Paul's said:
Nope. It’s b
ks that people suck up and regurgitate. I can only guess you’ve never been or lived in an actual polluted city, there are non in UK and Europe.
Go stick your finger up the exhaust of a 10 year old diesel euro 4 even with 100k miles and it will come out clean.
Stick everyone in euro 5 and euro 6 diesels and you’d not notice the difference to everyone in an EV.
Bit like having your house on fire and being told don’t worry, the one a couple of miles away is bigger so we aren’t coming to help. ks that people suck up and regurgitate. I can only guess you’ve never been or lived in an actual polluted city, there are non in UK and Europe. Go stick your finger up the exhaust of a 10 year old diesel euro 4 even with 100k miles and it will come out clean.
Stick everyone in euro 5 and euro 6 diesels and you’d not notice the difference to everyone in an EV.
It’s demonstrably factual that cities are much more polluted than less populated areas and traffic has much to do with this. To deny that is to be wilfully ignorant.
As I said to another poster happily things like this are true regardless of whether you choose to believe it. Like gravity.
Everyone should use a reference such as Air Matters to get a real, direct feel for true air pollution not just where they live but where the media discusses.
Ideally, everyone should get an air meter for their home as that's the real shock for folk in the U.K. to learn about compared to the air outside their home.
This doesn't mean I don't back cleaning our air or seizing the huge competitive advantage being handed to the U.K. by global legislation but it would change a lot of people's direct thinking on the matter. Especially as most Britons spend the bulk of their life breathing the air inside their home not outdoors.
DonkeyApple said:
P@P does raise a valid point. As a Londoner of 45 years I'm well aware of the dirty air but as someone who has travelled I am well aware that it is nothing close to real pollution.
Everyone should use a reference such as Air Matters to get a real, direct feel for true air pollution not just where they live but where the media discusses.
Ideally, everyone should get an air meter for their home as that's the real shock for folk in the U.K. to learn about compared to the air outside their home.
This doesn't mean I don't back cleaning our air or seizing the huge competitive advantage being handed to the U.K. by global legislation but it would change a lot of people's direct thinking on the matter. Especially as most Britons spend the bulk of their life breathing the air inside their home not outdoors.
Are we allowed to mention Vapes too ? Everyone should use a reference such as Air Matters to get a real, direct feel for true air pollution not just where they live but where the media discusses.
Ideally, everyone should get an air meter for their home as that's the real shock for folk in the U.K. to learn about compared to the air outside their home.
This doesn't mean I don't back cleaning our air or seizing the huge competitive advantage being handed to the U.K. by global legislation but it would change a lot of people's direct thinking on the matter. Especially as most Britons spend the bulk of their life breathing the air inside their home not outdoors.
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/body/health/a38735...
SpeckledJim said:
alcatrazarmando said:
If it was not for the science you wouldnt even know anything was wrong with the planet - it looks like it is all kicking off now and it will only get worse - would not be surprised if someone gets killed amongst the mayhem
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11910455/...
EVs have around half a tonne of batteries per vehicle, how on earth do people think these things are saving the planet? Combustion engine cars in the UK are responsible for less than 1 percent of global greenhouse gases so theres absolutely no need to heckle the average tax payer and make them responsible, its not like the well heeled will be impacted by anything going on.
One of the reasons I never trust a politician, unfortuantely they are the same the world over - pay them sufficent wedge and they will work for anyone
You're not Pan Pan Pan, are you?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11910455/...
EVs have around half a tonne of batteries per vehicle, how on earth do people think these things are saving the planet? Combustion engine cars in the UK are responsible for less than 1 percent of global greenhouse gases so theres absolutely no need to heckle the average tax payer and make them responsible, its not like the well heeled will be impacted by anything going on.
One of the reasons I never trust a politician, unfortuantely they are the same the world over - pay them sufficent wedge and they will work for anyone
Bet you know whether 34 or 10 is bigger, don't you.
Now, lets see who is the thick one..
Edited by alcatrazarmando on Tuesday 28th March 21:13
whirlybird said:
bigothunter said:
whirlybird said:
I recall a customer of mine who had a then brand new Mercedes A Class (1st Generation) the reg was 'A14 ELK'
Only in theory...
Anne Elk - geddit?
DonkeyApple said:
As a Londoner of 45 years I'm well aware of the dirty air but as someone who has travelled I am well aware that it is nothing close to real pollution.
I have been to Japan twice and to most of the largest cities in the world. greater Tokyo has around 38M people and the air quality is fine - the problem is people are listening to the science too much spoon feeding trash into our brains we now think EVs are saving the planet - this is the inevitable outcomeThe problem is if you say anything like this people get very upset, freedom of speech is gone, especially any conflicting views
alcatrazarmando said:
DonkeyApple said:
As a Londoner of 45 years I'm well aware of the dirty air but as someone who has travelled I am well aware that it is nothing close to real pollution.
I have been to Japan twice and to most of the largest cities in the world. greater Tokyo has around 38M people and the air quality is fine - the problem is people are listening to the science too much spoon feeding trash into our brains we now think EVs are saving the planet - this is the inevitable outcomeThe problem is if you say anything like this people get very upset, freedom of speech is gone, especially any conflicting views
What are the main causes of pollution in Tokyo?
Due to rapid urbanization and industrialization that occurred over the last century, Tokyo has undergone vast changes to its urban geography, and whilst the levels of pollution may have lowered when compared to its more heavily industrialized time, there are still many causes of pollution that are remnants of this era, with many factories and industrial areas responsible for putting out larger amounts of pollution, thus raising the PM2.5 and PM10 count in the air, as well as emitting other noxious chemicals such as nitrogen dioxide (NO2) and sulfur dioxide (SO2).
So, with this in mind, one of the main causes of pollution in Tokyo would be emissions from factories, particularly ones that still run on forms of fossil fuels such as coal, although this is significantly less prominent than other countries, due to the more stringent regulations that Tokyo authorities place on fuel standards. Nevertheless, these emissions still add to the year round ambient pollution levels.
Lastly, the other main source of pollution in Tokyo would be that of vehicular emissions, with some 4 million vehicles being registered in the city in 2014, and as such would have grown significantly since. Whilst rules for what fuels can be used are very strict, the large amount of vehicles on the road would still lead to a heavy increase in pollution levels, far greater than what would be recorded if there were to be less cars and other automobiles on the road.
Air pollution cost approximately $11,000,000,000 USD in Tokyo in 2022.
Air pollution has also cost an estimated 9,700 deaths in Tokyo in 2022
Taking into account the article above what would you say about the mental acuity of a person that says:
"I have been to Japan twice and to most of the largest cities in the world. greater Tokyo has around 38M people and the air quality is fine"
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Tuesday 28th March 21:32
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Tuesday 28th March 21:32
alcatrazarmando said:
I have been to Japan twice and to most of the largest cities in the world. greater Tokyo has around 38M people and the air quality is fine - the problem is people are listening to the science too much spoon feeding trash into our brains we now think EVs are saving the planet - this is the inevitable outcome
The problem is if you say anything like this people get very upset, freedom of speech is gone, especially any conflicting views
I have been to Japan twice ... and the air quality is fine??The problem is if you say anything like this people get very upset, freedom of speech is gone, especially any conflicting views
Peak Pistonheads.
Nomme de Plum said:
This Tokyo?
What are the main causes of pollution in Tokyo?
Due to rapid urbanization and industrialization that occurred over the last century, Tokyo has undergone vast changes to its urban geography, and whilst the levels of pollution may have lowered when compared to its more heavily industrialized time, there are still many causes of pollution that are remnants of this era, with many factories and industrial areas responsible for putting out larger amounts of pollution, thus raising the PM2.5 and PM10 count in the air, as well as emitting other noxious chemicals such as nitrogen dioxide (NO2) and sulfur dioxide (SO2).
So, with this in mind, one of the main causes of pollution in Tokyo would be emissions from factories, particularly ones that still run on forms of fossil fuels such as coal, although this is significantly less prominent than other countries, due to the more stringent regulations that Tokyo authorities place on fuel standards. Nevertheless, these emissions still add to the year round ambient pollution levels.
Lastly, the other main source of pollution in Tokyo would be that of vehicular emissions, with some 4 million vehicles being registered in the city in 2014, and as such would have grown significantly since. Whilst rules for what fuels can be used are very strict, the large amount of vehicles on the road would still lead to a heavy increase in pollution levels, far greater than what would be recorded if there were to be less cars and other automobiles on the road.
Air pollution cost approximately $11,000,000,000 USD in Tokyo in 2022.
Air pollution has also cost an estimated 9,700 deaths in Tokyo in 2022
Taking into account the article above what would you say about the mental acuity of a person that says:
"I have been to Japan twice and to most of the largest cities in the world. greater Tokyo has around 38M people and the air quality is fine"
Air pollutiuon is one of the biggest killers in the planet - problem is most of it is from manufacturing and industrial use - Combustion Engines in the UK account for < 1% of global greenhouse gas - the problem with you lot is you have an excuse for everything - anything to side with the narrative fed into your brain and not enough mental capacity to question it.What are the main causes of pollution in Tokyo?
Due to rapid urbanization and industrialization that occurred over the last century, Tokyo has undergone vast changes to its urban geography, and whilst the levels of pollution may have lowered when compared to its more heavily industrialized time, there are still many causes of pollution that are remnants of this era, with many factories and industrial areas responsible for putting out larger amounts of pollution, thus raising the PM2.5 and PM10 count in the air, as well as emitting other noxious chemicals such as nitrogen dioxide (NO2) and sulfur dioxide (SO2).
So, with this in mind, one of the main causes of pollution in Tokyo would be emissions from factories, particularly ones that still run on forms of fossil fuels such as coal, although this is significantly less prominent than other countries, due to the more stringent regulations that Tokyo authorities place on fuel standards. Nevertheless, these emissions still add to the year round ambient pollution levels.
Lastly, the other main source of pollution in Tokyo would be that of vehicular emissions, with some 4 million vehicles being registered in the city in 2014, and as such would have grown significantly since. Whilst rules for what fuels can be used are very strict, the large amount of vehicles on the road would still lead to a heavy increase in pollution levels, far greater than what would be recorded if there were to be less cars and other automobiles on the road.
Air pollution cost approximately $11,000,000,000 USD in Tokyo in 2022.
Air pollution has also cost an estimated 9,700 deaths in Tokyo in 2022
Taking into account the article above what would you say about the mental acuity of a person that says:
"I have been to Japan twice and to most of the largest cities in the world. greater Tokyo has around 38M people and the air quality is fine"
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Tuesday 28th March 21:32
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Tuesday 28th March 21:32
Clearly someone who was never in Japan also.
Nomme de Plum said:
Tokyo has undergone vast changes to its urban geography
No way jose, I have travelled across Japan a few times - you are good on the google I guess - try visit the place next time its rather excitingYou probably think it will stop snowing in the winter in 2040 and we wont have 40C summer weather anymore.
alcatrazarmando said:
Nomme de Plum said:
This Tokyo?
What are the main causes of pollution in Tokyo?
Due to rapid urbanization and industrialization that occurred over the last century, Tokyo has undergone vast changes to its urban geography, and whilst the levels of pollution may have lowered when compared to its more heavily industrialized time, there are still many causes of pollution that are remnants of this era, with many factories and industrial areas responsible for putting out larger amounts of pollution, thus raising the PM2.5 and PM10 count in the air, as well as emitting other noxious chemicals such as nitrogen dioxide (NO2) and sulfur dioxide (SO2).
So, with this in mind, one of the main causes of pollution in Tokyo would be emissions from factories, particularly ones that still run on forms of fossil fuels such as coal, although this is significantly less prominent than other countries, due to the more stringent regulations that Tokyo authorities place on fuel standards. Nevertheless, these emissions still add to the year round ambient pollution levels.
Lastly, the other main source of pollution in Tokyo would be that of vehicular emissions, with some 4 million vehicles being registered in the city in 2014, and as such would have grown significantly since. Whilst rules for what fuels can be used are very strict, the large amount of vehicles on the road would still lead to a heavy increase in pollution levels, far greater than what would be recorded if there were to be less cars and other automobiles on the road.
Air pollution cost approximately $11,000,000,000 USD in Tokyo in 2022.
Air pollution has also cost an estimated 9,700 deaths in Tokyo in 2022
Taking into account the article above what would you say about the mental acuity of a person that says:
"I have been to Japan twice and to most of the largest cities in the world. greater Tokyo has around 38M people and the air quality is fine"
Air pollutiuon is one of the biggest killers in the planet - problem is most of it is from manufacturing and industrial use - Combustion Engines in the UK account for < 1% of global greenhouse gas - the problem with you lot is you have an excuse for everything - anything to side with the narrative fed into your brain and not enough mental capacity to question it.What are the main causes of pollution in Tokyo?
Due to rapid urbanization and industrialization that occurred over the last century, Tokyo has undergone vast changes to its urban geography, and whilst the levels of pollution may have lowered when compared to its more heavily industrialized time, there are still many causes of pollution that are remnants of this era, with many factories and industrial areas responsible for putting out larger amounts of pollution, thus raising the PM2.5 and PM10 count in the air, as well as emitting other noxious chemicals such as nitrogen dioxide (NO2) and sulfur dioxide (SO2).
So, with this in mind, one of the main causes of pollution in Tokyo would be emissions from factories, particularly ones that still run on forms of fossil fuels such as coal, although this is significantly less prominent than other countries, due to the more stringent regulations that Tokyo authorities place on fuel standards. Nevertheless, these emissions still add to the year round ambient pollution levels.
Lastly, the other main source of pollution in Tokyo would be that of vehicular emissions, with some 4 million vehicles being registered in the city in 2014, and as such would have grown significantly since. Whilst rules for what fuels can be used are very strict, the large amount of vehicles on the road would still lead to a heavy increase in pollution levels, far greater than what would be recorded if there were to be less cars and other automobiles on the road.
Air pollution cost approximately $11,000,000,000 USD in Tokyo in 2022.
Air pollution has also cost an estimated 9,700 deaths in Tokyo in 2022
Taking into account the article above what would you say about the mental acuity of a person that says:
"I have been to Japan twice and to most of the largest cities in the world. greater Tokyo has around 38M people and the air quality is fine"
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Tuesday 28th March 21:32
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Tuesday 28th March 21:32
Clearly someone who was never in Japan also.
I made no comment on the percentage of pollution cased by vehicles. You just assumed. Incorrectly as it happens.
For the record I already stated that all pollution should be removed from cities.
alcatrazarmando said:
Air pollutiuon is one of the biggest killers in the planet - problem is most of it is from manufacturing and industrial use - Combustion Engines in the UK account for < 1% of global greenhouse gas - the problem with you lot is you have an excuse for everything - anything to side with the narrative fed into your brain and not enough mental capacity to question it.
Clearly someone who was never in Japan also.
Are you confusing air pollution with greenhouse gases? Clearly someone who was never in Japan also.
alcatrazarmando said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Tokyo has undergone vast changes to its urban geography
No way jose, I have travelled across Japan a few times - you are good on the google I guess - try visit the place next time its rather excitingYou probably think it will stop snowing in the winter in 2040 and we wont have 40C summer weather anymore.
https://www.iqair.com/japan/tokyo
Do you somehow know better?
FYI Google Maps did not commence until 2005, Japan and Tokyo shown some years later.
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Tuesday 28th March 22:17
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Tuesday 28th March 22:25
The wheels look to be falling off the EV bandwagon in dramatic fashion
...Car Shop CEO Nigel Hurley said he wasn’t buying EVs ‘unless they were really cheap’, while Premier GT boss David Trigg said he refuses to buy Porsche’s electric Taycan, labelling the car a ‘disaster’.
Peter Smyth, director of family-owned car dealer group Swansway, told Car Dealer yesterday that he thinks there ‘isn’t one dealer in the country who hasn’t lost money on used electric cars in the past few months’.
Used EV values have been in free fall since October last year, brought on by increased supply at a time buyers have been scared off by electric prices and the cost of living
https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/bbc-featur...
...Car Shop CEO Nigel Hurley said he wasn’t buying EVs ‘unless they were really cheap’, while Premier GT boss David Trigg said he refuses to buy Porsche’s electric Taycan, labelling the car a ‘disaster’.
Peter Smyth, director of family-owned car dealer group Swansway, told Car Dealer yesterday that he thinks there ‘isn’t one dealer in the country who hasn’t lost money on used electric cars in the past few months’.
Used EV values have been in free fall since October last year, brought on by increased supply at a time buyers have been scared off by electric prices and the cost of living
https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/bbc-featur...
Nomme de Plum said:
Not my words but those in the report.
https://www.iqair.com/japan/tokyo
Do you somehow know better?
FYI Google Maps did not commence until 2005, Japan and Tokyo shown some years later.
I know more than to trust a site promoting face masks, probably another NGO involved in net zero skulduggeryhttps://www.iqair.com/japan/tokyo
Do you somehow know better?
FYI Google Maps did not commence until 2005, Japan and Tokyo shown some years later.
Like this......
Landlords will be blocked from renting properties unless they upgrade them to meet net zero energy efficiency targets within five years.
Ministers are poised to announce that landlords will have to spend thousands of pounds increasing the energy performance of their properties by 2028 – or face a fine of up to £30,000.
It is understood that the Government plans to force up to two million landlords to increase the Energy Performance Certificate rating of their properties to a minimum of a C standard to help reduce the nation's carbon footprint.
It means buy-to-let investors could have to spend thousands of pounds installing insulation or eco-friendly devices such as heat pumps and solar panels to make their properties more energy efficient.
Currently, all privately rented homes in England and Wales need to meet a minimum energy performance of band E before they can be let.
Ministers had previously proposed a deadline of 2025 for newly-let rentals to achieve an energy performance rating of at least a C, and a deadline of 2028 for all other rented properties.
But more than two years after the consultation was launched in early 2021, it is now understood that the deadline will be set at least three years later in 2028 and apply to all rental properties.
It comes after the Government was warned that the target was unachievable and risked driving landlords to sell up.
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