Are Electric Cars the biggest con on the planet?

[whirlybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJOyITolHUk

And this !!!!!!

Guess a Autonomous tractor is just a giant version of those Electric Lawn Mowers and Vacuum cleaners,
suspect the concept would have the machine 'self charge' at a docking point,!!!

[whirlybird]

DonkeyApple said:

Yup. Modern tractors already have a lot of autonomy. They link to satellites and plot pinpoint accurate tilling and sowing. Farms also have the land for building renewables for refuelling.

Heavy tractor work is problematic for current battery tech as not enough energy can be stored for say 12 hours of ploughing but full autonomy partly solves that as it breaks that 12 hours of a 24 hour day away from being dictated by a human worker. An autonomous electric tractor can suddenly do 3 sets of 4 hours on, 4 off to deliver 12 hours of labour with 12 hours of refuelling.

It only really works of the electricity is mainly self generated as diesel without the massive tax premiums (red) is much cheaper than grid electricity. But the small nature of U.K. farms and the move towards shallower ploughing so as to retain more carbon in the soil and need less fertilisers does fit the impending future better than other markets. The core issue for the U.K. is where the tractor needs to use public roads as that will still require a human to achieve.

I suspect that in 30 years time farming will look quite different

I suspect that with more inshore wind turbines, you could just stick one in your field and your robot tractor/combine would then charge up as required, in some way this makes more sense for global fuel supply issues?

[whirlybird]

Would have thought a bright lime green cable across a black tarmac surface would be easier to see, or is that too simple ???

[whirlybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BPrp7PBY3k

With regards to the amount of CO2 needed to build this lot, how many trees would need to be planted to absorb it all ?
Yes they're ICE, but it seems there are tons of places on the planet like this, look at Sheerness on google earth.

[whirlybird]

Having watched the funeral of the Queen I am wondering if the State Hearse is ICE, Hybrid or EV, to travel that distance at such a low speed would not do an ICE any good at all. My wife is 'in the trade' and understands that a lot of London based hearses and limos go for a thrash around the M25 to clear out the EGR valves !!!!

found this; interesting !!!

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/my-worries-rush-go-...

Edited by whirlybird on Tuesday 20th September 20:58

[whirlybird]

So, are these EV's really going to solve all the planets problems.
So let's think???? Build an EV to solve global warming & global warming destroys said EV !!!!! Karma


https://uk.yahoo.com/news/hurricane-ian-flood-dama...

[whirlybird]

As the OP firstly I would like to say a big thank you for going well over 1000 posts, (some of them actually make sense !!!!)
Having watched Mr Musks plans to move us all up to Mars, or was it Youranus at some point soon, I now see why .
Having seen how much real estate his Mega and Giga factories are using, there will be no bloody land left to drive any car, be it ICE or EV.
How many Teslas do you have to build to compensate for the damage his factories have made to the environment ? Maybe every Tesla owner should buy
1000 saplings as a penance for feeding Mr Musks ego.

[whirlybird]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/electric-car-battery-cha...

Quick guy and gals, get yourself down to Tesca asap, they start "Charging" tomorrow, (see what I did there !!!!!!!)

In the meantime, off to fill the old jalopy with hydrocarbons, empty to full about 3 mins inc paying, bring back the ICE, you know it makes sense.

[whirlybird]

otolith said:

whirlybird said:

nobody so far has convinced both myself and many others that EV is ever going to save the planet

Nobody will. You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

otolith, may I remind you the the thread title is "Are EV's the biggest con on the planet" and not "Are EV's not an alternate form of transport",
of course there is a need for EV's, ie Milk Floats, Fork lift Trucks, Harrods Delivery Vans etc. Why not give your fingers a rest and enjoy a nice cool blast in your Elise, you know you want too.

[whirlybird]

Vipers said:

The big downside is we can’t all afford new EV’s but we can afford a used ICE vehicle.

As time progresses there will be used EV’s available at maybe a reasonable price, all well and good until three months later the battery needs replacing.

Will those ginormous earth diggers digging out material for EV batters, some of them burn 200 gallons of diesel a day, be replaced with EV diggers, guess not.

Aha, the voice of reason, at last.

[whirlybird]

Bubbs999 said:

Typical UK Govt, go 110% into a policy never to be turned.
Just like when they told everyone to buy diesel.

Electric cars are NOT the future.
Personally, I think conventional combustion engines (tried, tested and proven) are the right solution, just the fuel needs changing.
Hydrogen fuel cells are the way ahead.

Very wealthy people are making a £LOT of money out of this Net Zero, Electric Car lark

As the OP, thanks for your input,
Mr Musk being a prime example of building EV's, but then f*cks the planet with the size of the Mega and Giga Factories.
He can't even be bothered to plant any trees nearby or put solar panels on the roof, the sooner he pisses off to Mars the better. Save the Planet, don't buy a Tesla. Come on you keyboard warriors,(You know who you are) !!! Bash those keys, or better still, get off your computer and waste some hydrocarbons

[whirlybird]

Dingu said:

whirlybird said:

As the OP, thanks for your input,
Mr Musk being a prime example of building EV's, but then f*cks the planet with the size of the Mega and Giga Factories.
He can't even be bothered to plant any trees nearby or put solar panels on the roof, the sooner he pisses off to Mars the better. Save the Planet, don't buy a Tesla. Come on you keyboard warriors,(You know who you are) !!! Bash those keys, or better still, get off your computer and waste some hydrocarbons

Is your policy to only thank posters who reinforce your echo chamber?

YES, is that a problem, if so start, your own thread

[whirlybird]

TheDeuce said:

whirlybird said:

Dingu said:

whirlybird said:

As the OP, thanks for your input,
Mr Musk being a prime example of building EV's, but then f*cks the planet with the size of the Mega and Giga Factories.
He can't even be bothered to plant any trees nearby or put solar panels on the roof, the sooner he pisses off to Mars the better. Save the Planet, don't buy a Tesla. Come on you keyboard warriors,(You know who you are) !!! Bash those keys, or better still, get off your computer and waste some hydrocarbons

Is your policy to only thank posters who reinforce your echo chamber?

YES, is that a problem, if so start, your own thread

And you'll turn up to reduce the average IQ of that thread too?

Well you keep coming back.

[whirlybird]

As the OP, I am still of the opinion that EV's are making not a jot of difference to helping save the planet from global warming/ultimate self destruction. Not a single poster has yet convinced me that I am wrong. A huge amount of electricity globally is produced from fossil fueled power stations. These are hard and fast facts. I am not anti EV, I even have a Electric Bicycle, but promoting EV's as a way to save the planet is just naive. I believe Australia is the world's greatest exporter of coal, so someone somewhere is burning it.

[whirlybird]

otolith said:

Nobody is going to convince you. You don't want to be convinced.

Convince me then !!!!!

[whirlybird]

otolith said:

whirlybird said:

Convince me then !!!!!

You can take a horse to water.

Ah, so you need to feed the horse, which will require a certain amount of grain per journey, this grain will require a certain amount of land to grow said grain, could this land be better utilised ??? Also how far away is the water ? is it fresh, or polluted with nitrogen that was used as a fertiliser to grow the grain to feed the horse ??? . See what I mean, nothing will happen without consequence further down the line. Bit like you can take an EV to a charging point, but both EV and electricity supplied came from a process that at some point must have used a fossil fuel.

[whirlybird]

otolith said:

Bubbs999 said:

And lets not forget the resources / costs / human misery involved in mining the rare metals needed to manufacture the car batteries.

Lose a lot of sleep over the sourcing of the precious metals in your catalytic converter, do you?

Bit like, did you lose any sleep when your Tesco/Amazon/Ocado/Postman delivered your goods in a Diesel van.

[whirlybird]

Hence , from my perspective, it would be interesting to know what the real net impact position would be if we could maximise vehicle life as much as reasonably possible. That's not going to happen though.( To quote Swervin_Mervin )


I'm doing my bit, one of my cars is 87 years old, and is a daily driver, perfect for local journeys (that a £30K + 'Scalextric Car' ) would do , but why spend £30K anyway

[whirlybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3OcYZwMBHQ


If I was a mechanic I would be asking for a Faraday Suit, or get the apprentice to do it while I make the tea,

[whirlybird]

Sorry Guys, But this is the future of modern transport
It's a true EV, Expensive & of limited mileage !!!!
But if you shop at H A RRODS, you can afford it