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I had a look on Zap Map and no doubt there are some great Apps which will make finding various points a breeze. Within 2 miles of the location there are Geenie posts 50kw chargers so as you say, not such a big deal to give it a 40 min top up and at 30p/kw it's not outrageous.
Who is the best provider or do you sign up to a couple of different providers.
Who is the best provider or do you sign up to a couple of different providers.
It’s a relatively simple solution to tie in automated pre-booking of stations and to combine that with horrendous over stay fines that discount the delayed customers recharging cost.
The whole charger network thing is quite interesting as there are an awful lot of people who really don’t want to be in a motorway service station for an hour and wouldn’t hesitate to divert a few miles to a more salubrious destination such as a country pub for lunch.
It’s much more civilised to input your destination into the satnav and for it to use all the information from your car and your economic preferences from your phone to plot a route, prebook the charge points and the brunch, lunch, supper, even accommodation etc.
The whole charger network thing is quite interesting as there are an awful lot of people who really don’t want to be in a motorway service station for an hour and wouldn’t hesitate to divert a few miles to a more salubrious destination such as a country pub for lunch.
It’s much more civilised to input your destination into the satnav and for it to use all the information from your car and your economic preferences from your phone to plot a route, prebook the charge points and the brunch, lunch, supper, even accommodation etc.
Burwood said:
Maybe M/way services will greatly expand their offering over the next 12 months. It's surely on the cards.
Sadly that seems quite unlikely - ecotricity have a monopoly on motorway service charging and the ccs 50kW chargers mostly don’t work at all, so most drivers of EVs with ccs don’t go near them. I have just got an iPace and this year’s trip to Cornwall (380 miles each way) is probably going to be in the wife’s freelander (with a roofbox). I doubt it’s possible to add 170 miles in an hour on a 50kW ccs. With an iPace slurping at around 2.4miles per kWh and recognising you’ll only get anywhere near 50kW for filling to 80% you ‘d be lucky to get 120-130 miles in a one hour stop, though you can of course arrive near empty. If brave 😁oop north said:
Burwood said:
Maybe M/way services will greatly expand their offering over the next 12 months. It's surely on the cards.
Sadly that seems quite unlikely - ecotricity have a monopoly on motorway service charging and the ccs 50kW chargers mostly don’t work at all, so most drivers of EVs with ccs don’t go near them. I have just got an iPace and this year’s trip to Cornwall (380 miles each way) is probably going to be in the wife’s freelander (with a roofbox). I doubt it’s possible to add 170 miles in an hour on a 50kW ccs. With an iPace slurping at around 2.4miles per kWh and recognising you’ll only get anywhere near 50kW for filling to 80% you ‘d be lucky to get 120-130 miles in a one hour stop, though you can of course arrive near empty. If brave ??DonkeyApple said:
It’s a relatively simple solution to tie in automated pre-booking of stations and to combine that with horrendous over stay fines that discount the delayed customers recharging cost.
The whole charger network thing is quite interesting as there are an awful lot of people who really don’t want to be in a motorway service station for an hour and wouldn’t hesitate to divert a few miles to a more salubrious destination such as a country pub for lunch.
It’s much more civilised to input your destination into the satnav and for it to use all the information from your car and your economic preferences from your phone to plot a route, prebook the charge points and the brunch, lunch, supper, even accommodation etc.
If we could arrive at this, the UK would be a much more advanced place - in all manner of ways. Using technology as it surely was intended.The whole charger network thing is quite interesting as there are an awful lot of people who really don’t want to be in a motorway service station for an hour and wouldn’t hesitate to divert a few miles to a more salubrious destination such as a country pub for lunch.
It’s much more civilised to input your destination into the satnav and for it to use all the information from your car and your economic preferences from your phone to plot a route, prebook the charge points and the brunch, lunch, supper, even accommodation etc.
Sadly, I don't this country is capable of such farsightedness...
gangzoom said:
Am 100% sure pretty much all EV owners today have much more 'charger anxiety' than range anxiety. Its the 'untold' fear of all EV owners 
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Yep. I did public charging twice in my i3. To much faff, unreliable, needed stupid cards etc. Ecotricity on motorway was fine, and just did all other charging at home..Wont take much for it to easy though, just need chargers to be fitted with contact less card tech.
dukeboy749r said:
DonkeyApple said:
It’s a relatively simple solution to tie in automated pre-booking of stations and to combine that with horrendous over stay fines that discount the delayed customers recharging cost.
The whole charger network thing is quite interesting as there are an awful lot of people who really don’t want to be in a motorway service station for an hour and wouldn’t hesitate to divert a few miles to a more salubrious destination such as a country pub for lunch.
It’s much more civilised to input your destination into the satnav and for it to use all the information from your car and your economic preferences from your phone to plot a route, prebook the charge points and the brunch, lunch, supper, even accommodation etc.
If we could arrive at this, the UK would be a much more advanced place - in all manner of ways. Using technology as it surely was intended.The whole charger network thing is quite interesting as there are an awful lot of people who really don’t want to be in a motorway service station for an hour and wouldn’t hesitate to divert a few miles to a more salubrious destination such as a country pub for lunch.
It’s much more civilised to input your destination into the satnav and for it to use all the information from your car and your economic preferences from your phone to plot a route, prebook the charge points and the brunch, lunch, supper, even accommodation etc.
Sadly, I don't this country is capable of such farsightedness...
Burwood said:
oop north said:
Burwood said:
Maybe M/way services will greatly expand their offering over the next 12 months. It's surely on the cards.
Sadly that seems quite unlikely - ecotricity have a monopoly on motorway service charging and the ccs 50kW chargers mostly don’t work at all, so most drivers of EVs with ccs don’t go near them. I have just got an iPace and this year’s trip to Cornwall (380 miles each way) is probably going to be in the wife’s freelander (with a roofbox). I doubt it’s possible to add 170 miles in an hour on a 50kW ccs. With an iPace slurping at around 2.4miles per kWh and recognising you’ll only get anywhere near 50kW for filling to 80% you ‘d be lucky to get 120-130 miles in a one hour stop, though you can of course arrive near empty. If brave ??DJP31 said:
Burwood said:
oop north said:
Burwood said:
Maybe M/way services will greatly expand their offering over the next 12 months. It's surely on the cards.
Sadly that seems quite unlikely - ecotricity have a monopoly on motorway service charging and the ccs 50kW chargers mostly don’t work at all, so most drivers of EVs with ccs don’t go near them. I have just got an iPace and this year’s trip to Cornwall (380 miles each way) is probably going to be in the wife’s freelander (with a roofbox). I doubt it’s possible to add 170 miles in an hour on a 50kW ccs. With an iPace slurping at around 2.4miles per kWh and recognising you’ll only get anywhere near 50kW for filling to 80% you ‘d be lucky to get 120-130 miles in a one hour stop, though you can of course arrive near empty. If brave ??The fact is most anxiety is wtf do you do at destination running on fumes. As has been pointed out, even a few kw/h with be ok when you park up overnight.
REALIST123 said:
I don’t see that it’s anything to do with ‘this country’. It’s a commercial proposition and will no doubt happen when it’s commercially viable. Other, far more technical solutions are in place for all sorts of things. Right now there’s little demand, but that won’t be for ever.
I agree. It could be done today. All the data bases are there and systems. It’s just a matter of when it’s commercially viable. DonkeyApple said:
REALIST123 said:
I don’t see that it’s anything to do with ‘this country’. It’s a commercial proposition and will no doubt happen when it’s commercially viable. Other, far more technical solutions are in place for all sorts of things. Right now there’s little demand, but that won’t be for ever.
I agree. It could be done today. All the data bases are there and systems. It’s just a matter of when it’s commercially viable. DJP31 said:
Outside of Tesla who have some Superchargers on hotel/pub sites I don’t think you’ll find any public chargers at pub/hotel’s with 50kW of power. Most destination chargers will be 7kW.
Polar have lots of 50kW chargers at hotels - usually Holiday Inns , but there are others too. Use them all the time. Burwood said:
DonkeyApple said:
REALIST123 said:
I don’t see that it’s anything to do with ‘this country’. It’s a commercial proposition and will no doubt happen when it’s commercially viable. Other, far more technical solutions are in place for all sorts of things. Right now there’s little demand, but that won’t be for ever.
I agree. It could be done today. All the data bases are there and systems. It’s just a matter of when it’s commercially viable. Once we do reach that switching point then the flood gates will open to buisiness innovation as companies work to attract these consumers.
Burwood said:
We know the smart move is fine a cheap lease purely on the basis in 3 years we could find the I.D.3 Worth a round of drinks given the then 400 mile dancing version for 25k.
This really isn't going to happen.Back in 2015 you could buy a 70kWh Model S for sub £50k.
Roll on 2019 and despite all the news of battery cell prices dropping, a 55kWh Model 3 SR+ costs £40k. A 70kWh Model 3 is amazingly £50k, so pretty much the same price as a 70kWh Model S!!
Based on £ per kWh of Tesla battery prices appears to have hardly fallen, which may explain the poor financial position Tesla is in right now. Tesla's whole expansion plan was based on falling cost of batteries and that doesn't seem to be happening.
VW are reported to be selling the ID as loss leader, Hyundai/Kia are 100% selling the Kona/Niro at a loss - hence low production numbers. Nissan did sell the 24kWh Leaf at a loss, but not the current Leaf hence the massive cost difference.
You can get a 500 mile range EV today but your need a small mortgage, and all the indications are battery demand is far exceeding supply so prices aren't going to drop any time soon.
Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 18th May 05:18
Battery supply is certainly going to ramp up but it's going to be years before it can meet demand so there is little reason for prices to fall significantly even if production costs do. 
gangzoom said:
Burwood said:
We know the smart move is fine a cheap lease purely on the basis in 3 years we could find the I.D.3 Worth a round of drinks given the then 400 mile dancing version for 25k.
This really isn't going to happen.Back in 2015 you could buy a 70kWh Model S for sub £50k.
Roll on 2019 and despite all the news of battery cell prices dropping, a 55kWh Model 3 SR+ costs £40k. A 70kWh Model 3 is amazingly £50k, so pretty much the same price as a 70kWh Model S!!
Based on £ per kWh of Tesla battery prices appears to have hardly fallen, which may explain the poor financial position Tesla is in right now. Tesla's whole expansion plan was based on falling cost of batteries and that doesn't seem to be happening.
VW are reported to be selling the ID as loss leader, Hyundai/Kia are 100% selling the Kona/Niro at a loss - hence low production numbers. Nissan did sell the 24kWh Leaf at a loss, but not the current Leaf hence the massive cost difference.
You can get a 500 mile range EV today but your need a small mortgage, and all the indications are battery demand is far exceeding supply so prices aren't going to drop any time soon.
Edited by gangzoom on Saturday 18th May 05:18
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