Which EV would you consider buying?

[UnderSteerD]

caelite said:

I might be wrong, but, contrary to the number plate, I believe the picture shown is the production version, which, personally I think looks better than the prototype (not a fan of massive wheels).

Personally, I am not sold on the fact that BEVs are the future though, without mentioning the H word and starting an argument, I will likely hold off a fair few years yet before considering an EV as I strongly believe (based on my own knowledge working in the industry), that, once rolled out, other technologies will take off dramatically.

You'd probably want another car in a fair few years anyway...

[RobDickinson]

caelite said:

I might be wrong, but, contrary to the number plate, I believe the picture shown is the production version, which, personally I think looks better than the prototype (not a fan of massive wheels).

The concept car was developed from the production car too afik, there are differences but imo not enough to make it worth arguing over.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Nearly all of them

Model 3? yep
BMW i3? yep

ID3 and its eventual Skoda/SEAT/Audi incarnations? yep
Honda e? definitely
e208? yep

Hyundai Kona
Kia eNiro

I'd love to own any of them. I just need to get over my mental block of buying/pcp/leasing new cars because the numbers almost always eclipse my mortgage and then I go off the idea!

[Kolbenkopp]

caelite said:

I might be wrong, but, contrary to the number plate, I believe the picture shown is the production version, which, personally I think looks better than the prototype (not a fan of massive wheels).

Yep, agree -- lovely little thing. Problem is really the ~ €35k list price. For the amount of _car_ one gets, that is a tall order, especially as BMW have started offering good discounts on the i3.

[Evanivitch]

ash73 said:

£25k for a Pug e-208 vs £16k for the petrol version, or £390pm vs £230pm... why would you bother with the electric version?

It's one thing to come into a 100 page thread and think you're making an original comment, it's another to do it in a 4 page thread that has literally discussed the false statement you've made only hours previous.

Why are you on a forum if reading is so hard for you to do?

[SWoll]

Evanivitch said:

ash73 said:

£25k for a Pug e-208 vs £16k for the petrol version, or £390pm vs £230pm... why would you bother with the electric version?

It's one thing to come into a 100 page thread and think you're making an original comment, it's another to do it in a 4 page thread that has literally discussed the false statement you've made only hours previous.

Why are you on a forum if reading is so hard for you to do?

Even if you were to accept that his statement is true the savings in fuel and servicing costs, convenience of home charging, far superior EV driving experience and environmental benefits when added together would I'm sure convince a fair few of people to switch to the EV.

The fact that it isn't just makes the case even more compelling?

[Gandahar]

I like the Honda E for looks, it probably is a fanny magnet as well except I am both old and ugly so won't help my kerb crawling outside the charity shops,..,..

I would be very interested in a sub 3900mm EV car that is as cheap as current city petrol cars. Range would not be important as all journeys less than 70 miles and it stays at home, performance not an issue either, cheapness is, so I will be waiting some time.

As I like Toyota I guess the diesel Yaris will be plodding along until my solid state battery Yaris comes along in 2025. First trip? The local charity shop of course...... like a ninja....

[anonymous-user]

SWoll said:

Evanivitch said:

ash73 said:

£25k for a Pug e-208 vs £16k for the petrol version, or £390pm vs £230pm... why would you bother with the electric version?

It's one thing to come into a 100 page thread and think you're making an original comment, it's another to do it in a 4 page thread that has literally discussed the false statement you've made only hours previous.

Why are you on a forum if reading is so hard for you to do?

Even if you were to accept that his statement is true the savings in fuel and servicing costs, convenience of home charging, far superior EV driving experience and environmental benefits when added together would I'm sure convince a fair few of people to switch to the EV.

The fact that it isn't just makes the case even more compelling?

The only factor in your list that might apply to everyone is the environmental benefit. A lot of people won’t be able to or be prepared to pay over the odds for that.

Fuel and servicing depends on mileage.

Convenience of charging depends on type of use and home.

The driving experience is very subjective. I find it different but not necessarily better. My wife isn’t at all impressed by the regen effect/one foot driving idea. Things you no doubt grow to live with but certainly not objectively a better ‘driving experience’ for everyone.

[SWoll]

REALIST123 said:

SWoll said:

Evanivitch said:

ash73 said:

£25k for a Pug e-208 vs £16k for the petrol version, or £390pm vs £230pm... why would you bother with the electric version?

It's one thing to come into a 100 page thread and think you're making an original comment, it's another to do it in a 4 page thread that has literally discussed the false statement you've made only hours previous.

Why are you on a forum if reading is so hard for you to do?

Even if you were to accept that his statement is true the savings in fuel and servicing costs, convenience of home charging, far superior EV driving experience and environmental benefits when added together would I'm sure convince a fair few of people to switch to the EV.

The fact that it isn't just makes the case even more compelling?

The only factor in your list that might apply to everyone is the environmental benefit. A lot of people won’t be able to or be prepared to pay over the odds for that.

Fuel and servicing depends on mileage.

Convenience of charging depends on type of use and home.

The driving experience is very subjective. I find it different but not necessarily better. My wife isn’t at all impressed by the regen effect/one foot driving idea. Things you no doubt grow to live with but certainly not objectively a better ‘driving experience’ for everyone.

Good job I didn't say everyone then I suppose?

At 50mpg a petrol car will cost £75 a month to cover the average UK annual mileage of 7,500 miles

Many manufacturers set servicing as an annual thing irrespective of mileage.

If you can charge at home (and many people can) for the same average mileage EV is far more convenient than ICE.

I've yet to find someone who didn't prefer the smooth, responsive and quiet experience that the EV power train provides rather than a noisy and smelly small capacity petrol/diesel engine with a manual gearbox. I'm sure some won't but I'd guarantee they wouldn't be the majority.

[Shaoxter]

REALIST123 said:

The driving experience is very subjective. I find it different but not necessarily better. My wife isn’t at all impressed by the regen effect/one foot driving idea. Things you no doubt grow to live with but certainly not objectively a better ‘driving experience’ for everyone.

One pedal is one of the best things about EVs. No brake dust!
And then you have the instant torque, no noise (most dailies are turbocharged 4 pots which don't make a desirable noise anyway), pre-conditioning, no need to warm the engine up/cool down.

90% of my driving is in an EV these days, and ICE cars just feel like dinosaurs.

[SWoll]

ash73 said:

As you can't buy a cheaper spec version, the simple fact is it costs £9k more for the EV model; and you're still driving around in a stty little Pug shopping trolley. It's just a toy for a few rich people who want to project an image they care about the environment.

£25k car = A few rich people

You're joking right? The Mercedes A-Class is the fifth biggest selling car in the UK this year with 50k sales and the cheapest model is £24k.

[jjwilde]

All these threads go the same way. Every time. I'm sure 'HyDroGen iS thE fuTuRe I saw it in a top gear episode' will come up next.

[Pvapour]

We went ipace, its incredible compared to others, luxury? No, its good but its not luxury, i wouldnt get rid of our XJ for it, its bloody fun though, very similar in character to a Mini as it happens, very pointy steering wise, even on air it doesnt match even my maserati gts never mind the XJ for ride comfort.

Range is 200 and we never even think about running out as most trips are 80 miles return and it just plugs in at home and its always charged

Im waiting to see the new EV XJ at geneva... then it’ll need more range...

[M1C]

Gandahar said:

I like the Honda E for looks, it probably is a fanny magnet as well except I am both old and ugly so won't help my kerb crawling outside the charity shops,..,..

I would be very interested in a sub 3900mm EV car that is as cheap as current city petrol cars. Range would not be important as all journeys less than 70 miles and it stays at home, performance not an issue either, cheapness is, so I will be waiting some time.

As I like Toyota I guess the diesel Yaris will be plodding along until my solid state battery Yaris comes along in 2025. First trip? The local charity shop of course...... like a ninja....

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/seat/mii-electric/first-drives/seat-mii-electric-2019-review

£19,300

[dmsims]

Pvapour said:

We went ipace, its incredible compared to others

Indredibly inefficient ?

Incredibly bad at charging?

Incredibly poor visibility?

Incredibly st infotainment ?

[Frimley111R]

I'm considering an EV too and as we do very miles almost any would do. One of the challenges is that something better always seems to be around the corner.

[Pvapour]

dmsims said:

Pvapour said:

We went ipace, its incredible compared to others

Indredibly inefficient ?

Incredibly bad at charging?

Incredibly poor visibility?

Incredibly st infotainment ?

Inefficient - better than my other cars

Bad at charging - i plug it in at night and its done in the morning, fine by me, charged in 40 mins on ionity, 40mile > Full, b4 i’d eaten!

Poor visibility - nope, or not that ive noticed

st infotainment - better than my XJ

Teslas ive been in.. its leagues ahead of them, hence my statement.

[M1C]

ash73 said:

M1C said:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/seat/mii-elec...

£19,300

The problem that's got is people expect smaller = cheaper; but it's more expensive than a Seat Leon.

When you sit in the two cars side by side in the showroom which one are you going to buy?

It needs to be £15-16k, imo.

I wonder.....if a few get pre-registered ..if they aren't snapped up....i think we'll see delivery mileage ones down to that price.

[white_goodman]

ash73 said:

As you can't buy a cheaper spec version, the simple fact is it costs £9k more for the EV model; and you're still driving around in a stty little Pug shopping trolley. It's just a toy for a few rich people who want to project an image they care about the environment.

As I stated in my previous post, I think the price difference is more like 5-6k and if you go for the Active version, you actually get better on-paper performance with the EV too. However, you make a good point with payments etc. I'm not sure if it completely stacks up purely from a financial perspective yet vs. the same car with a small petrol engine. My dad was looking to replace his C3 Picasso with that 1.2 Puretech engine soon and liked the look of the new 208 and asked in my opinion if he should go for the EV version. He could certainly afford the EV version but he's retired now and doesn't do many miles. That little 1.2 Puretech does 50mpg all day long and 6k buys you a lot of petrol. If he was still commuting 100 miles per day then the maths might start to stack up. That's kind of where I'm at with EVs right now. When the economics favour EVs (and they already do for company users) then I'd probably buy one but as a private buyer, I'm not sure that they do yet unless they put on some keen lease deals to get a few more units out there. I think that may have started to happen with more established EVs like the i3 but there seems to be high demand for these newer, non-premium EVs from people who want to be early adopters/have the latest thing, so I'm not sure whether they're going to be throwing them out of the door for nothing yet.

IIRC, we had a similar situation with diesels in the 80s/90s, which carried a hefty premium over petrols. My dad really wanted a diesel for his 100 mile commute but we couldn't afford one, so he ended up commuting in our 2nd car, a 1 litre Fiat Panda and my mum used our less efficient petrol, family car, as she worked closer to home. My dad did get a diesel (a Peugeot 405 GRD estate) in the mid-90s but could only afford the NA version. He had another NA diesel (Citroen ZX) after that and then finally turbodiesels in the 2000s when the purchase price between petrol and diesel reached some parity (or at least the premium was relatively small) and you could pretty much guarantee getting it back and then some at resale time. I expect the same to happen with EVs eventually and that's probably the point at which I'll buy.

[white_goodman]

Gandahar said:

I like the Honda E for looks, it probably is a fanny magnet as well except I am both old and ugly so won't help my kerb crawling outside the charity shops,..,..

I would be very interested in a sub 3900mm EV car that is as cheap as current city petrol cars. Range would not be important as all journeys less than 70 miles and it stays at home, performance not an issue either, cheapness is, so I will be waiting some time.

As I like Toyota I guess the diesel Yaris will be plodding along until my solid state battery Yaris comes along in 2025. First trip? The local charity shop of course...... like a ninja....

I'm guessing a Renault Twizy is too impractical? Renault Zoe is fairly cheap and quite efficient too...