Corsa E 48 test drive
Discussion
Its a good discussion this, all I can say to the OP is try a Zoe. Yes, we have one, a new one, so obviously we are big advocates but if you want a real 150mph range, the 50kwh does it, especially across a mix of motorway and town. The Zoe is bigger than you think, taller than you think and is a hoot to drive. Takes the 320d brigade out at the lights for sure, OK, doesn't take them out, but certainly surprises them and they have to really try to keep up. Quite funny.
It is a very very different experience for sure to ICE, so yes, do try an EV. For us, the lease on the Pug etc. was expensive, but I'd imagine its similar to the Zoe in terms of driving. The Corsa? Its just a Vauxhall I'm afraid to us with years of s
t experiences of the cars and dealers over a number of (company car) years.
As I've said on other threads, in our house, the Zoe keys go first, followed by the '06 Clio keys, followed by the 911 992 keys, followed by the '08 A6 shed keys. Says it all.
Edited to add: We charge at home, free 7kw BP Chargemaster included, even on a lease. Ours installed next week. Just driven 230 miles from home -> Cornwall and back in it. Cullompton Services (30min) and somewhere outside of Okehampton (20mins) and then charged on a 3 pin when we got there. Instead of £50 of diesel, £15 of electric, but took us one stop longer (30mins) each way to avoid the range anxiety. 1hr = £35.
It is a very very different experience for sure to ICE, so yes, do try an EV. For us, the lease on the Pug etc. was expensive, but I'd imagine its similar to the Zoe in terms of driving. The Corsa? Its just a Vauxhall I'm afraid to us with years of s
t experiences of the cars and dealers over a number of (company car) years.As I've said on other threads, in our house, the Zoe keys go first, followed by the '06 Clio keys, followed by the 911 992 keys, followed by the '08 A6 shed keys. Says it all.
Edited to add: We charge at home, free 7kw BP Chargemaster included, even on a lease. Ours installed next week. Just driven 230 miles from home -> Cornwall and back in it. Cullompton Services (30min) and somewhere outside of Okehampton (20mins) and then charged on a 3 pin when we got there. Instead of £50 of diesel, £15 of electric, but took us one stop longer (30mins) each way to avoid the range anxiety. 1hr = £35.
Edited by dgswk on Friday 30th October 17:12
Mikebentley said:
I was shopping about last night. For 15k leases on the Peugeot and was getting it for about £339 pm. With 6/9 down over 24months. Still not ideal but Arnold Clarke on the Corsa Elite Nav was something like £250 down and £250 pm on a PCP with final payment.
Sees like a no brainer doesn't it? Compare that to the monthly cost of depreciation, maintenance and fuel against even a 2/3 year old used ICE car of similar size and spec and what is it actually costing you extra to run a brand new EV? It might even be saving you money to do so?SWoll said:
Mikebentley said:
I was shopping about last night. For 15k leases on the Peugeot and was getting it for about £339 pm. With 6/9 down over 24months. Still not ideal but Arnold Clarke on the Corsa Elite Nav was something like £250 down and £250 pm on a PCP with final payment.
Sees like a no brainer doesn't it? Compare that to the monthly cost of depreciation, maintenance and fuel against even a 2/3 year old used ICE car of similar size and spec and what is it actually costing you extra to run a brand new EV? It might even be saving you money to do so?Mikebentley said:
I was shopping about last night. For 15k leases on the Peugeot and was getting it for about £339 pm. With 6/9 down over 24months. Still not ideal but Arnold Clarke on the Corsa Elite Nav was something like £250 down and £250 pm on a PCP with final payment.
All down to mileage, our Zoe is £340 on a 1+35 on 16k miles per year. That’s top spec GT with rapid charge. Saves £175 a month on diesel alone,
dgswk said:
Its a good discussion this, all I can say to the OP is try a Zoe. Yes, we have one, a new one, so obviously we are big advocates but if you want a real 150mph range, the 50kwh does it, especially across a mix of motorway and town. The Zoe is bigger than you think, taller than you think and is a hoot to drive. Takes the 320d brigade out at the lights for sure, OK, doesn't take them out, but certainly surprises them and they have to really try to keep up. Quite funny.
It is a very very different experience for sure to ICE, so yes, do try an EV. For us, the lease on the Pug etc. was expensive, but I'd imagine its similar to the Zoe in terms of driving. The Corsa? Its just a Vauxhall I'm afraid to us with years of st experiences of the cars and dealers over a number of (company car) years.
As I've said on other threads, in our house, the Zoe keys go first, followed by the '06 Clio keys, followed by the 911 992 keys, followed by the '08 A6 shed keys. Says it all.
Edited to add: We charge at home, free 7kw BP Chargemaster included, even on a lease. Ours installed next week. Just driven 230 miles from home -> Cornwall and back in it. Cullompton Services (30min) and somewhere outside of Okehampton (20mins) and then charged on a 3 pin when we got there. Instead of £50 of diesel, £15 of electric, but took us one stop longer (30mins) each way to avoid the range anxiety. 1hr = £35.
As a fellow 911 owner I’m surprised the Porsche is only 3rd. Your last paragraph demonstrates to me what the problems with an EV currently are. I can do a 460 mile return journey easily in the 911 with no stops for fuel at all, let alone 2 stops just to get there. No range anxiety at for £70 of petrolIt is a very very different experience for sure to ICE, so yes, do try an EV. For us, the lease on the Pug etc. was expensive, but I'd imagine its similar to the Zoe in terms of driving. The Corsa? Its just a Vauxhall I'm afraid to us with years of s
t experiences of the cars and dealers over a number of (company car) years.As I've said on other threads, in our house, the Zoe keys go first, followed by the '06 Clio keys, followed by the 911 992 keys, followed by the '08 A6 shed keys. Says it all.
Edited to add: We charge at home, free 7kw BP Chargemaster included, even on a lease. Ours installed next week. Just driven 230 miles from home -> Cornwall and back in it. Cullompton Services (30min) and somewhere outside of Okehampton (20mins) and then charged on a 3 pin when we got there. Instead of £50 of diesel, £15 of electric, but took us one stop longer (30mins) each way to avoid the range anxiety. 1hr = £35.
Edited by dgswk on Friday 30th October 17:12
dgswk said:
For us, the lease on the Pug etc. was expensive, but I'd imagine its similar to the Zoe in terms of driving. The Corsa? Its just a Vauxhall I'm afraid to us with years of st experiences of the cars and dealers over a number of (company car) years.
The Corsa and Peugeot are the same car beneath the skin.t experiences of the cars and dealers over a number of (company car) years.Bobtherallyfan said:
As a fellow 911 owner I’m surprised the Porsche is only 3rd. Your last paragraph demonstrates to me what the problems with an EV currently are. I can do a 460 mile return journey easily in the 911 with no stops for fuel at all, let alone 2 stops just to get there. No range anxiety at for £70 of petrol
Probably many things to be fair. The Zoe trip this week was a leap of faith, we were in no hurry and have a garage spot in the South West. It was fine, the £35 was immaterial really but might be to a lot of people. Doing it for work, daily? Nah, still a 2.0tdi.The 992? Never meet your heroes maybe. Love it, but 18 months in, we have not gelled. But at least I’ve been there. Topic for another thread, not an EV one!!!!!
dgswk said:
1hr = £35.
2 points here. 1st - this is where the Tesla supercharger network is an absolutely killer selling point. I recently went Glasgow to London and back in my model 3 and genuinely didn't spend more than around 5 mins in each direction waiting for the charge to finish.2nd point - even if you do have to wait for a charge on a long journey, if you add up all the time you don't spend going to get fuel over the normal course of your ownership you more than make up for it. Waking up every morning to a "full tank" is a great thing.
dgswk said:
Probably many things to be fair. The Zoe trip this week was a leap of faith, we were in no hurry and have a garage spot in the South West. It was fine, the £35 was immaterial really but might be to a lot of people. Doing it for work, daily? Nah, still a 2.0tdi.
The 992? Never meet your heroes maybe. Love it, but 18 months in, we have not gelled. But at least I’ve been there. Topic for another thread, not an EV one!!!!!
I was wondering how you charge in Cornwall....I guess not all holiday cottages encourage EV charging although it might be a good selling point in the future. Presumably second home owners have to pay the full whack to get a wall charger?The 992? Never meet your heroes maybe. Love it, but 18 months in, we have not gelled. But at least I’ve been there. Topic for another thread, not an EV one!!!!!
Bobtherallyfan said:
I was wondering how you charge in Cornwall....I guess not all holiday cottages encourage EV charging although it might be a good selling point in the future. Presumably second home owners have to pay the full whack to get a wall charger?
Just 3-pin it for 24hrs. Even at top whack 15p it’s only £7-8. Not a dealbreaker when people are paying £1-2k a week peak season to rent somewhere.We have a place down there with garaging so a non issue for us. Might put a 7kwh in one day if I go Taycan or something in the future but just no need atm.
There are chargers around too, there are free 7kw or maybe even 22kw one at the supermarket by us down there which are free to use. Could park it up there overnight and walk 5 mins home if I had to.
The point is - for the OP and his Corsa - similar spec to the Zoe, is that a 235 (470 round) mile trip can easily be done, it cost us £35 less than it would have on diesel and took an hour longer as we had an extra 1/2 hour stop each way than we normally do.
Order66 said:
2 points here. 1st - this is where the Tesla supercharger network is an absolutely killer selling point. I recently went Glasgow to London and back in my model 3 and genuinely didn't spend more than around 5 mins in each direction waiting for the charge to finish.
2nd point - even if you do have to wait for a charge on a long journey, if you add up all the time you don't spend going to get fuel over the normal course of your ownership you more than make up for it. Waking up every morning to a "full tank" is a great thing.
Agree on both points - and to be clear, we basically stopped a second time on each leg for 30 mins, so in total, over our 5 day break, we spent 1hr longer travelling, spent an estimated £20-25 in electric, where we would have spent a good £60+ in diesel. Technically, the coffee cost more than the fuel..... Well, the Wife's did, I went to Greggs and McDonalds, I'm a tight-arse.2nd point - even if you do have to wait for a charge on a long journey, if you add up all the time you don't spend going to get fuel over the normal course of your ownership you more than make up for it. Waking up every morning to a "full tank" is a great thing.
1st Point....Yeah, this would be great in things other than Tesla, but there are enough 50kw units around to get wherever we very occasionally may need to. The Corsa-E looks a similar spec with rapid charging, so would be similar. Ours however is primarily a commuter hack (regular 70 miles a day still), not a long distance traveller. Recent trip to Cornwall was for s
ts and giggles really, to see if it could be done - it can, with minor inconvenience. Would be a PITA everyday I agree, but not paying £300+ a month extra for a Tesla for what is the 2nd / 3rd car in the fleet when we don't need the range or the network. The most confusing and frustrating element for us EV newbies is all of the different Apps you seem to need, every charger seems to be owned by someone different - another Tesla strongpoint.2nd Point - agreed again, waking up to a constantly full tank and a warm car is a great feeling! Saved 5x 7-10mins on fill ups already and only a few weeks into ownership! Even better, I have not got in it on a Sat AM to do the shopping only to find my better half has coasted home on fumes the night before
dgswk thanks for sharing your experience. For me the Zoe looks a bit “ Noddy” and the Corsa is well a Vauxhall. My mate says all Vauxhall cars are Limited Editions meaning not long left for them but it was a nice place to be and as I said earlier I loved it. I’m going to concentrate on the 208 e GT as it is very nicely finished in my eyes with a little of the old school hot hatch.
Work is drying up at the moment and I can see a few lean months ahead so I am keeping the van till Feb maybe then will hopefully make the leap then. Maybe a 24 month lease to test the theory. I estimate it could save me between £150 and £200 pm overall.
Work is drying up at the moment and I can see a few lean months ahead so I am keeping the van till Feb maybe then will hopefully make the leap then. Maybe a 24 month lease to test the theory. I estimate it could save me between £150 and £200 pm overall.
dgswk said:
2nd Point - agreed again, waking up to a constantly full tank and a warm car is a great feeling! Saved 5x 7-10mins on fill ups already and only a few weeks into ownership! Even better, I have not got in it on a Sat AM to do the shopping only to find my better half has coasted home on fumes the night before
This often gets a mention. I use Diesels with 600 - 1000 mile range on one tank of fuel, By picking certain filling stations at certain times I'm in and back out on the road in not much more than 5 mins. On all but the coldest mornings the heater is blowing warm within 5 mins and there's heated seats and steering wheel in the meantime. I'm keen to try an EV and it's accepted to be the way forward but ICE is here for a good while longer yet. MuscleSedan said:
This often gets a mention. I use Diesels with 600 - 1000 mile range on one tank of fuel, By picking certain filling stations at certain times I'm in and back out on the road in not much more than 5 mins. On all but the coldest mornings the heater is blowing warm within 5 mins and there's heated seats and steering wheel in the meantime. I'm keen to try an EV and it's accepted to be the way forward but ICE is here for a good while longer yet.
Thats why I keep my 160k mile 2.0tdi diesel A6 Audi shed..... But doubt I'll ever buy a new ICE'd car again.I agree that much is made of filling time for ICE. I swing off the M5 J2 to Asda once a week. Pay at pump and drive off takes 4/5 minutes max. Straight back on way job done.
What I found was that EV can work for me. Hyundai ioniq is a bit of a pig though to look at and very low rent inside. Having to explain you aren’t someone’s Uber everytime you stop would also be a pain.
What I found was that EV can work for me. Hyundai ioniq is a bit of a pig though to look at and very low rent inside. Having to explain you aren’t someone’s Uber everytime you stop would also be a pain.
Unless my calculator is broken it's not far off right. I agree electricity isn't free though. Probably save £100 a month if he charges entirely from home or maybe more if he has free charging at work.
On even a £300 lease that's a fair saving. EV savings ramp up the more miles you do, they're really not that economical for the average 5k a year runabout if you're leasing over say a small petrol offering.
On even a £300 lease that's a fair saving. EV savings ramp up the more miles you do, they're really not that economical for the average 5k a year runabout if you're leasing over say a small petrol offering.
I did a calculation that 20k pa in my van @ 45mpg was £1981.00. I could get that down to £250.00 pa on Octopus or less. Obviously basing it on 20k but the savings can be significant and offset some of the extra cost of leasing or purchasing an EV. My Transit Connect Limited is £276pm plus £800pa as I changed area of work so the lease cost for EV is near identical, the running costs aren’t though.
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