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RobDickinson said:
Tesla never expected to become a volume producer of cars they expected to be a niche manufacturer whilst the big companies took over.
I know they said that, quite a long time ago now. I was never quite sure whether that was something to take at face value or just a ruse to attempt to appear less of a threat.nordboy said:
Their tech has been until now, and arguably still are, way ahead of most other companies. Surely selling this tech to some of the large vehicle makers would have been a better route to take?
I’ve really liked the Teslas I’ve driven, and I think I could live with one, but there are things that I’m disappointed they lack. No HUD, no blind spot assist, no area view, no CarPlay support. 768 said:
I know they said that, quite a long time ago now. I was never quite sure whether that was something to take at face value or just a ruse to attempt to appear less of a threat.
JB recently said it again i an interview and he's long left tesla and has no reason to think about being a threat any more,ajap1979 said:
I’ve really liked the Teslas I’ve driven, and I think I could live with one, but there are things that I’m disappointed they lack. No HUD, no blind spot assist, no area view, no CarPlay support.
You can easily add a hud or drivers display if you want there are quite a few out there, blind sport yeah I can see that, dont care about carplay at all but I guess most in car systems are that poor and low effort people rely on it.Maybe the motivation was to simply have a tech differentiator but I think Tesla is on the money when it comes to the self driving tech. It’s not unique to Tesla or EVs of course but I do think this is where it makes the most sense and I must say where I actually enjoy “driving” our EV. It’s great to have the car happily doing its thing and you the occupier of the driver’s seat can focus on important things like the stereo, finding some a/c setting buried in the infotainment somewhere, catching up on WhatsApp, or whatever football game is on. You stop getting annoyed with other drivers or in fact much anything. Admittedly in a diesel but I have done 300-400 mile schleps with lane keep assist in heavy bank holiday traffic and it’s very relaxing.
I’m surprised this isn’t part of car reviews instead of meaningless stuff like drag races or the obligatory 0-60 pinned to the seat test. Can it drive itself? Is the stereo good? Is it quiet? Do I look successful in it? Do I get some nice tax rebates with it?
I’m surprised this isn’t part of car reviews instead of meaningless stuff like drag races or the obligatory 0-60 pinned to the seat test. Can it drive itself? Is the stereo good? Is it quiet? Do I look successful in it? Do I get some nice tax rebates with it?
RobDickinson said:
You can easily add a hud or drivers display if you want there are quite a few out there, blind sport yeah I can see that, dont care about carplay at all but I guess most in car systems are that poor and low effort people rely on it.
The Tesla in car infotainment is fairly poor. CarPlay would be of huge benefit, but unlikely to be added. Order66 said:
Simply not true. I f
king hate my Tesla - ste build quality, ugly as sin, crap range if you want to use the "performance" in its name (realistically 180miles on motorway). I'm only in an EV because it costs me absolutely zero as a company car. The supercharger network makes the whole experience just about bearable. Without it I would hand back any EV, even if "free".
As someone else on here once said - Tesla make terrible cars, but they do make the best EV.
Life is far too short to waste time on things you don't enjoy, regardless of cost, the last 20 months have shown that pretty well!! king hate my Tesla - ste build quality, ugly as sin, crap range if you want to use the "performance" in its name (realistically 180miles on motorway). I'm only in an EV because it costs me absolutely zero as a company car. The supercharger network makes the whole experience just about bearable. Without it I would hand back any EV, even if "free".As someone else on here once said - Tesla make terrible cars, but they do make the best EV.
£££ extra in the bank makes no one happy when the time comes to go.
If I was you I would go and get a car I actually enjoy owing, before all company cars have to be EVs!!
DMZ said:
It’s great to have the car happily doing its thing and you the occupier of the driver’s seat can focus on important things like the stereo, finding some a/c setting buried in the infotainment somewhere, catching up on WhatsApp, or whatever football game is on.
I’m not sure being able to watch TV or send WhatsApp messages while they’re meant to be driving figures too highly on most peoples purchasing decision. page3 said:
The Tesla in car infotainment is fairly poor. CarPlay would be of huge benefit, but unlikely to be added.
How so, from all the reviews I've seen of other cars (Taycan, etron, VW ID, Ioniq), a lot of reviewers mention it as the gold standard?From those I've seen I'd say it's second to only Google (Polestar, Volvo)?
TheRainMaker said:
Am I the only struggling with someone buying a car they don’t like?
Seems mad to me.
That's what I said.Seems mad to me.
And "not like" is putting it mildly. He spends most of his time on here hating it. There's a Polestar thread somewhere he just can't go two posts without bringing up Tesla.
These are two of his first posts in that thread:
jason61c said:
Having sat and actually looked at a model 3, there's no way i want to sit in a car that feels like an 80's Korean build.
jason61c said:
I imagine the performance is more 'repeatable' and consistent, unlike Tesla's. Given the fact it'll be properly built and won't be feeding the musk hype, it seems the only place to really buy a decent longer range electric car?
TheRainMaker said:
Am I the only struggling with someone buying a car they don’t like?
Seems mad to me.
He's not buying, it's a company car and the only one on his list that meets his requirements I believe. I've had CC;s before that I would never have bought myself but were the best thing on offer and made the most sense financially.Seems mad to me.
Never had one I felt quite so strongly opposed to though, should be interesting.
TheRainMaker said:
Am I the only struggling with someone buying a car they don’t like?
Seems mad to me.
It was a struggle to me, in the end, it came down to £££. Thats the long and short of it.Seems mad to me.
Used prices are so high that I see circa £10k extra back on my current daily.
I'm hopeful the Chinese built model 3's are better built than the American ones.
Tesla's are 'cheap' to lease at the min with very short lead times, which fits well with the low BIK thats projected for the next 3 years
I'm mentally separating it as a white goods choice.
ZesPak said:
page3 said:
The Tesla in car infotainment is fairly poor. CarPlay would be of huge benefit, but unlikely to be added.
How so, from all the reviews I've seen of other cars (Taycan, etron, VW ID, Ioniq), a lot of reviewers mention it as the gold standard?Off the top of my head, compared to CarPlay supported vehicles I lose:
- Ability to use the navigation software of my choice
- no 3D map view
- no speed camera alerts
- no waypoints
- no non-Tesla charger info
- no alternative routes
- no ability to have media volume reduce during spoken navigation
- no ability to have media pause during spoken navigation (for audiobooks)
- limited choice of streaming services (ie: Apple Music etc...)
- no Audible
- no PlexAmp
- no Prologue (audiobooks)
- No iMessage dictation
- no HiFi Spotify (low bitrate only)
- no USB audio input for high quality
- limited phone control
- poor USB media navigation / support
I agree I wouldn't mind Android Auto/Apple Carplay, the Tesla way does remind me of iOS a couple of years ago (where you couldn't change your default nav application).
I like the big google maps as I always use google maps anyway, and as a streaming service I use Spotify which is also integrated. I can imagine that if you don't it'll be a miss.
But in terms of general use (music, car, climate control,...) I find it really clear and easy to navigate.
I like the big google maps as I always use google maps anyway, and as a streaming service I use Spotify which is also integrated. I can imagine that if you don't it'll be a miss.
But in terms of general use (music, car, climate control,...) I find it really clear and easy to navigate.
gangzoom said:
If I was you I would go and get a car I actually enjoy owing, before all company cars have to be EVs!!
I have other cars, which I very much enjoy. It's a workhorse/shopping car for me - because it's free. As soon as the tax regime changes so its not free I'll be back to a dinosaur burner unless the range of EVs has improved significantly (I'm looking for a genuine 300 miles while sitting at 85-90) - and at that point I'll go to the traditional manufacturers who can supply basic human factors thinking behind controls and a workable cruise control that doesn't panic/hesitate every few miles if its raining.ajap1979 said:
I’m not sure being able to watch TV or send WhatsApp messages while they’re meant to be driving figures too highly on most peoples purchasing decision.
Maybe but hard to see what the point is with "autopilot" etc otherwise, and they're being marketed heavily. I find the functionality useful anyhow, more useful than I ever thought I would. It works well with the "connected world" that we find ourselves in. Probably not critical but I think elevates an EV to something different and then no need to "worry" about the lack of engagement. Anyways, I think it's smart thinking on Tesla's part. 43% intend to spend between £10k & £30k on their next car?
What proportion of those will spend under £20k so currently not on a EV?
What proportion of those will spend under £15k so currently not even on a used EV?
I have never spent more than £16k on a car (15 months old) & current car was £14.5k (10 months old). Cars are kept for about 5 years & I drive less than 8k miles a year.
I do however have house with a garage/driveway so home charging not a problem.
Wife spends less than £12k on her cars & keeps them for 6-10 years at less than 4k miles a year.
None of our friends spend more on their cars or change them more regularly. Obviously not typical PHs.
Almost all EVs currently coming to market seem to be £40k+ with a few nearer £30k. 2030 will be interesting.
I wonder how many EVs are sold that are not bought via companies or car allowances where the tax saving is a major factor in the purchase?
What proportion of those will spend under £20k so currently not on a EV?
What proportion of those will spend under £15k so currently not even on a used EV?
I have never spent more than £16k on a car (15 months old) & current car was £14.5k (10 months old). Cars are kept for about 5 years & I drive less than 8k miles a year.
I do however have house with a garage/driveway so home charging not a problem.
Wife spends less than £12k on her cars & keeps them for 6-10 years at less than 4k miles a year.
None of our friends spend more on their cars or change them more regularly. Obviously not typical PHs.
Almost all EVs currently coming to market seem to be £40k+ with a few nearer £30k. 2030 will be interesting.
I wonder how many EVs are sold that are not bought via companies or car allowances where the tax saving is a major factor in the purchase?
Edited by Glosphil on Monday 18th October 10:50
DMZ said:
ajap1979 said:
I’m not sure being able to watch TV or send WhatsApp messages while they’re meant to be driving figures too highly on most peoples purchasing decision.
Maybe but hard to see what the point is with "autopilot" etc otherwise, and they're being marketed heavily. I find the functionality useful anyhow, more useful than I ever thought I would. It works well with the "connected world" that we find ourselves in. Probably not critical but I think elevates an EV to something different and then no need to "worry" about the lack of engagement. Anyways, I think it's smart thinking on Tesla's part. Gassing Station | EV and Alternative Fuels | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff