EV range for 148 mile motorway commute

[ajap1979]

kambites said:

Bannock said:

Just had a very quick look at Select Car Leasing, you can get an ID3 for under £300 a month at 10k miles a year inc VAT. A Golf TSI is in the £275 range.

That's far more sensible if it includes all the fees and the deposit! In fact that seems almost unbelievably cheap?

I'd be very wary of believing anything from Select. Myself and a colleague have contacted them several times and nothing they have had on the website has existed. I'd agree with you, too cheap to be believable.

[SWoll]

kambites said:

Bannock said:

Just had a very quick look at Select Car Leasing, you can get an ID3 for under £300 a month at 10k miles a year inc VAT. A Golf TSI is in the £275 range.

That's far more sensible if it includes all the fees and the deposit! In fact that seems almost unbelievably cheap?

Cheapest ID3 on select, based on a 2 year 20k mile deal is £477 a month



If you're happy to keep the car for 4 years then it will of course be cheaper, but comparing that to a 1 month commitment with on.to seems rather unfair?

ETA - It's £350 on a 4 year deal so not sure where the <£300 a month cost above came from (perhaps without that VAT in reality?). 4 years, 5k per year is still £305.

CABC said:

what charge is included? is it all public networks or limited?

Edited by SWoll on Monday 24th January 15:00

[Bannock]

SWoll said:

kambites said:

Bannock said:

Just had a very quick look at Select Car Leasing, you can get an ID3 for under £300 a month at 10k miles a year inc VAT. A Golf TSI is in the £275 range.

That's far more sensible if it includes all the fees and the deposit! In fact that seems almost unbelievably cheap?

Cheapest ID3 on select, based on a 2 year 20k mile deal is £477 a month



If you're happy to keep the car for 4 years then it will of course be cheaper, but comparing that to a 1 month commitment with on.to seems rather unfair?

ETA - It's £350 on a 4 year deal so not sure where the <£300 a month cost above came from (perhaps without that VAT in reality?). 4 years, 5k per year is still £305.

Edited by SWoll on Monday 24th January 14:57

This is where it came from:

https://www.selectcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/vol...

Fire away, pick holes, talk about 20k mile deals, I'm not interested. It was just a cursory search which threw this up to illustrate a general point. So far as I'm aware £293.99 is under £300.

[SWoll]

Bannock said:

This is where it came from:

https://www.selectcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/vol...

Fire away, pick holes, talk about 20k mile deals, I'm not interested. It was just a cursory search which threw this up to illustrate a general point. So far as I'm aware £293.99 is under £300.

You need to add the 9 months deposit to the overall cost. Fundamental stuff, but of course you aren't interested..

[TheDeuce]

ajap1979 said:

kambites said:

Bannock said:

Just had a very quick look at Select Car Leasing, you can get an ID3 for under £300 a month at 10k miles a year inc VAT. A Golf TSI is in the £275 range.

That's far more sensible if it includes all the fees and the deposit! In fact that seems almost unbelievably cheap?

I'd be very wary of believing anything from Select. Myself and a colleague have contacted them several times and nothing they have had on the website has existed. I'd agree with you, too cheap to be believable.

I've had a quote from Select before for a Golf that was a stupidly good rate - insanely good. In the end the local VW dealer matched it so I went with them (support local etc), but Select would have honoured the quote - I could have gone ahead with the order.

I do suspect that's not always the case, some offers are probably bait to get you to engage with the sales team. But likewise, it's a fact that manufacturers do fairly frequently allocate units to the big leasing companies at hugely discounted prices, so often the unbelievably cheap price actually is believable.

If a model is new manufacturers often push cheap lease deals to get the car on the road and production lines up to full efficiency from day one. Likewise, if a model struggles a little and a line starts to drop below peak efficiency, you tend to see great lease deals appear again.

[Mark V GTD]

Looking at their site - 'Onto' includes insurance as well as charging.

I am needing a car for, probably, around two months between my current lease expiring (beginning of March) and my new Up GTi arriving in (probably) May - so a VW E-Up for a couple of months at £339 a month (including charging and insurance) may be the way to go for me and a good, uncommitted, introduction to EV's.

As an alternative I just looked at weekend car rental rates in my area from Enterprise and its £197 - £300 for the three days! I thought this would be around £80 to £120 so things seem to have got a lot more expensive recently.

[SWoll]

Mark V GTD said:

Looking at their site - 'Onto' includes insurance as well as charging.

I am needing a car for, probably, around two months between my current lease expiring (beginning of March) and my new Up GTi arriving in (probably) May - so a VW E-Up for a couple of months at £339 a month (including charging and insurance) may be the way to go for me and a good, uncommitted, introduction to EV's.

As an alternative I just looked at weekend car rental rates in my area from Enterprise and its £197 - £300 for the three days! I thought this would be around £80 to £120 so things seem to have got a lot more expensive recently.

Your challenge with on.to may be vehicle availability, but you can check this on the site.

if you decide to go ahead DM me and I can provide a code that saves us both £50.

[kambites]

Mark V GTD said:

I am needing a car for, probably, around two months between my current lease expiring (beginning of March) and my new Up GTi arriving in (probably) May - so a VW E-Up for a couple of months at £339 a month (including charging and insurance) may be the way to go for me and a good, uncommitted, introduction to EV's.

I think it makes sense for that sort of thing, but it seems a crazy amount of money for anything longer-term.

[SWoll]

kambites said:

Mark V GTD said:

I am needing a car for, probably, around two months between my current lease expiring (beginning of March) and my new Up GTi arriving in (probably) May - so a VW E-Up for a couple of months at £339 a month (including charging and insurance) may be the way to go for me and a good, uncommitted, introduction to EV's.

I think it makes sense for that sort of thing, but it seems a crazy amount of money for anything longer-term.

Depends on the car and your circumstances. if you're comparing to leasing then many of the cars stack up quite well to a 2-3 year personal lease when you add everything up.

Their Tesla prices are an absolute joke now though. We paid £799 a month for a Model 3 Performance, they now want £1299 for an LR..

[Bannock]

SWoll said:

Bannock said:

This is where it came from:

https://www.selectcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/vol...

Fire away, pick holes, talk about 20k mile deals, I'm not interested. It was just a cursory search which threw this up to illustrate a general point. So far as I'm aware £293.99 is under £300.

You need to add the 9 months deposit to the overall cost. Fundamental stuff, but of course you aren't interested..

Of course you need to add that, I was comparing that deal to one for a Golf TSI from the same lease company at £275 (actually looking again it's £273, big difference there) a month which also has a 9 month initial payment to factor in, so yes I continue to be dis-interested about this ridiculous nit-picking when I was only making a general point in the first place about people ignoring fuel costs when they do a performative horror face at the lease price of an EV, particularly when that price they're being performatively horrified at can be beaten by a huge amount by doing a 10 second internet search.

[kambites]

SWoll said:

Depends on the car and your circumstances. if you're comparing to leasing then many of the cars stack up quite well to a 2-3 year personal lease when you add everything up.

I guess I'm just somewhat out of touch with the cost of shortish term leases but I'm pretty sure nothing will ever allow me to get my head around spending nearly £600 a month to run an ID3!

[Mark V GTD]

SWoll said:

Your challenge with on.to may be vehicle availability, but you can check this on the site.

Thanks for that - well, I signed up and its showing nothing available at all to a Peterborough postcode. Not sure how this works as I would need the car from 1st April - maybe need to email them.

[SWoll]

Mark V GTD said:

SWoll said:

Your challenge with on.to may be vehicle availability, but you can check this on the site.

Thanks for that - well, I signed up and its showing nothing available at all to a Peterborough postcode. Not sure how this works as I would need the car from 1st April - maybe need to email them.

NP. The live chat on their website is pretty good, far more responsive than calling them IME anyway.

kambites said:

SWoll said:

Depends on the car and your circumstances. if you're comparing to leasing then many of the cars stack up quite well to a 2-3 year personal lease when you add everything up.

I guess I'm just somewhat out of touch with the cost of shortish term leases but I'm pretty sure nothing will ever allow me to get my head around spending nearly £600 a month to run an ID3!

Car prices are crazy at the minute, and EV costs are being considerably inflated due to the low BIK and salary sacrifice deals available to business users.

As I say we paid £799 for a £55k Model 3 P and before that £359 for a BMW i3 so £600 for a relatively low spec ID3 does like expensive I agree.

Edited by SWoll on Monday 24th January 15:48

[kambites]

I think I'll stick to running second-hand cars!

[SWoll]

kambites said:

I think I'll stick to running second-hand cars!

Indeed. We've had a lot going on so has suited us over a longer term than originally expected as wanted hassle free motoring, but plan is to dump the current eTron this year, buy a lightly used BMW i3s for daily duties and something daft for weekends/holidays that has already done most of it's depreciating.

[Mark V GTD]

This 'Onto' company is a bit odd once you start to look in more detail and try to arrange a car. Via the site I can't book the car I chose for delivery to my Peterborough address - but I can book one to an Essex address - and they will charge £99. It also says I have to pay £99 to have the car taken away - so one month at £339 rental becomes £537. Its not looking quite such a good option now.

Why can't you take the car back to them for free? And if you have to pay all that money why can they not deliver it to Cambs but they can to Essex?

Couldn't find any live chat facility on the site either.

[SWoll]

Mark V GTD said:

This 'Onto' company is a bit odd once you start to look in more detail and try to arrange a car. Via the site I can't book the car I chose for delivery to my Peterborough address - but I can book one to an Essex address - and they will charge £99. It also says I have to pay £99 to have the car taken away - so one month at £339 rental becomes £537. Its not looking quite such a good option now.

Why can't you take the car back to them for free? And if you have to pay all that money why can they not deliver it to Cambs but they can to Essex?

Couldn't find any live chat facility on the site either.

Live chat should be there during business hours, might want to try a different browser/device.

You'll sve £50 off the price if you use a referral code but agree for a short term rental it's expensive. Used to be able to collect/drop off yourself for free but that changed when Covid hit and now it's delivery/collection only.

The postcode things is due to them not wanting to add significant mileage to cars between subscribers moving them around the country I believe.

Still a hell of a lot cheaper than a Enterprise/Europcar rental for a month though I'd imagine?

[Mark V GTD]

@SWoll - thanks for the extra info - really helpful. I will see if I can get hold of them via another browser. My problem is I don't really know how long I will need the car for as I don't have a delivery date for the new car that replaces the outgoing lease car - so its a bit open ended. I am starting to think that just buying a small runabout such as a three year old Up! and then selling it on once the new car arrives is the way to go - just needs to be the right one so I don't take a bath when its time to sell it.

[SWoll]

Mark V GTD said:

@SWoll - thanks for the extra info - really helpful. I will see if I can get hold of them via another browser. My problem is I don't really know how long I will need the car for as I don't have a delivery date for the new car that replaces the outgoing lease car - so its a bit open ended. I am starting to think that just buying a small runabout such as a three year old Up! and then selling it on once the new car arrives is the way to go - just needs to be the right one so I don't take a bath when its time to sell it.

No problem.

That's the challenge at the minute. Used car prices are very high but with everything going on in the world who knows how long that will last so could do well or as you say take a bath very quickly.

Decisions, decisions..