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98elise said:
jamoor said:
Some Gump said:
jamoor said:
Couple of things
1) everyone that needed one probbably has one by now, you can expect it to grow forever
2) apple still are the highest end manufacturer with features noone else has, Pixel 4 may get faceid this year, so apple are 2 years ahead of the game. Noone else has facial unlock.
What is the benefit of facial unlock?1) everyone that needed one probbably has one by now, you can expect it to grow forever
2) apple still are the highest end manufacturer with features noone else has, Pixel 4 may get faceid this year, so apple are 2 years ahead of the game. Noone else has facial unlock.
Is it when you forget to bring both thumbs and your password to the office?
It's a gimmick, not a game changer.
I wouldn't buy a phone without a fingerprint scanner now.
Dave Hedgehog said:
Heres Johnny said:
Never stops amazing me how loyal people are to their brand - if Apple solved world hunger and Google didn't the Google crowd would simply state they weren't hungry - and to be fair vice versa
Apple and the like needs the next big thing, The smart phone is done. The tablet is done. People buy due to failure of the old one more than the desire for a few extra pixels on the built in camera.
its nothing to do with being a fanboi, apple make very good, reliable, secure and private, high quality finish products with an eco system nobody else can match Apple and the like needs the next big thing, The smart phone is done. The tablet is done. People buy due to failure of the old one more than the desire for a few extra pixels on the built in camera.
its not all good of course, their pricing is a total piss take (although the stuff does last and have a high resale value) and their repair and parts practises are morally bankrupt outside of warranty
Apple like Microsoft are moving heavily into subscription services because of the limited growth for hardware products. They are also moving heavily into financial services with apple pay (a joy to use with apple watch) and their new credit card
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Friday 16th August 11:01
T-195 said:
Apple Smartphones are in decline because Samsung came along and showed them how to do it properly, for less money. Same will happen with Tesla.
Humm, you might want to check out how much a Note 10+ costs!!!Wasn't it also Note that were exploding in peoples pockets a few years ago.
I've got a S9, but lets not pretend Samsung is in any way not overpriced just like Apple, or have never made bad hardware.
Tesla's insane sales in Norway just published:
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/16/tesla-model-3...
That's not a list of just EV sales, that's Tesla at the top of ALL car sales.
Wonder what will happen here with the 0% BIK rate...
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/16/tesla-model-3...
That's not a list of just EV sales, that's Tesla at the top of ALL car sales.
Wonder what will happen here with the 0% BIK rate...
jamoor said:
98elise said:
jamoor said:
Some Gump said:
jamoor said:
Couple of things
1) everyone that needed one probbably has one by now, you can expect it to grow forever
2) apple still are the highest end manufacturer with features noone else has, Pixel 4 may get faceid this year, so apple are 2 years ahead of the game. Noone else has facial unlock.
What is the benefit of facial unlock?1) everyone that needed one probbably has one by now, you can expect it to grow forever
2) apple still are the highest end manufacturer with features noone else has, Pixel 4 may get faceid this year, so apple are 2 years ahead of the game. Noone else has facial unlock.
Is it when you forget to bring both thumbs and your password to the office?
It's a gimmick, not a game changer.
I wouldn't buy a phone without a fingerprint scanner now.
p1stonhead said:
FaceID is a million times better than fingerprint. I was skeptical but it just is.
It is an essential, make or break, a sale feature? Or a nice to have.Would someone upgrade their current perfectly good phone, for this feature?
As if not, then it's fine for a highly profitable company like Apple to invest in such niche niceties, but not loss making Tesla.
hyphen said:
p1stonhead said:
FaceID is a million times better than fingerprint. I was skeptical but it just is.
It is an essential, make or break, a sale feature? Or a nice to have.Would someone upgrade their current perfectly good phone, for this feature?
As if not, then it's fine for a highly profitable company like Apple to invest in such niche niceties, but not loss making Tesla.
I guess people get spoilt with tech rather than wanting to upgrade specifically a lot of the time.
jjwilde said:
Tesla's insane sales in Norway just published:
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/16/tesla-model-3...
That's not a list of just EV sales, that's Tesla at the top of ALL car sales.
Wonder what will happen here with the 0% BIK rate...
1) Prices of petrol and diesel are artificially inflated/EV's subsidised so clearly Tesla would do well in Norway.https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/16/tesla-model-3...
That's not a list of just EV sales, that's Tesla at the top of ALL car sales.
Wonder what will happen here with the 0% BIK rate...
2) No one gives a s
t about Norway, as its a tiny market. 2018 new cars sold in Norway - 148 thousand.
2018 new cars sold in UK - 2.36 Million
3) Model 3, the car with the lowest margins is in the top 20. where are S and X??
4) Etron and ipace both in top 10. So Tesla is looking over its shoulder.
hyphen said:
1) Prices of petrol and diesel are artificially inflated/EV's subsidised so clearly Tesla would do well in Norway.
2) No one gives a st about Norway, as its a tiny market.
2018 new cars sold in Norway - 147,929
2018 new cars sold in UK - 2.36 Million
3) Model 3, the car with the lowest margins is in the top 20. where are S and X??
Isn't point 3 the same with every manufacturer?2) No one gives a s
t about Norway, as its a tiny market. 2018 new cars sold in Norway - 147,929
2018 new cars sold in UK - 2.36 Million
3) Model 3, the car with the lowest margins is in the top 20. where are S and X??
I'm sure Jaguar Make alot more on an XF than an XE but which is the top seller? We can't expect the XF to be at the top spot.
For point 1 isn't it the same in the UK?
Petrol is very expensive, clean air zones are popping up all over the place, petrol cars have to pay road tax (not the luxury tax) 0% BIK etc etc.
jamoor said:
Isn't point 3 the same with every manufacturer?
Have you seen his link? Ipace and Etron are in top 10.
X is right at the bottom of that top 20 list and S doesn't feature.
So Norwegian premium customers have shunned expensive Tesla's for the mainstream brands instead. Which indicates no love-in for the Tesla brand, and when audi and co launch a Model 3 alternative, Model 3 wont be able to rely on its brand strengh to stay on top.
jamoor said:
Isn't point 3 the same with every manufacturer?
I'm sure Jaguar Make alot more on an XF than an XE but which is the top seller? We can't expect the XF to be at the top spot.
For point 1 isn't it the same in the UK?
Petrol is very expensive, clean air zones are popping up all over the place, petrol cars have to pay road tax (not the luxury tax) 0% BIK etc etc.
Point 1, Norway has loads of benefits I'm sure Jaguar Make alot more on an XF than an XE but which is the top seller? We can't expect the XF to be at the top spot.
For point 1 isn't it the same in the UK?
Petrol is very expensive, clean air zones are popping up all over the place, petrol cars have to pay road tax (not the luxury tax) 0% BIK etc etc.
No purchase/import taxes (I think this is 20%)
Exemption from 25% VAT on purchase (in addition to the import duty free price) - so that’s best part of 40-45% off the price
No annual road tax
No charges on toll roads or ferries
Free parking
Access to bus lanes
Company car tax reduction reduced to 40%
hyphen said:
jamoor said:
Isn't point 3 the same with every manufacturer?
Have you seen his link? Ipace and Etron are in top 10.
X is right at the bottom of that top 20 list and S doesn't feature.
So Norwegian premium customers have shunned expensive Tesla's for the mainstream brands instead. Which indicates no love-in for the Tesla brand, and when audi and co launch a Model 3 alternative, Model 3 wont be able to rely on its brand strengh to stay on top.
UnderSteerD said:
The "no love-in for the Tesla brand" would result in the cannibalisation of the sales of their other models, once Audi and Co launch a model 3 alternative...
It's a bit of a Marmite brand isn't it?The first real Model-3 rivals will be the VW ID.3 and (albeit in lower volumes) the Polestar 2. This will be the true test.
dmsims said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
its nothing to do with being a fanboi, apple make very good, reliable, secure and private, high quality finish products with an eco system nobody else can match
Says the fanboii have a PC gaming rig because no other solution can touch it for performance, i change car manufacturers pretty much every time i get a new car, if lenovo launched there own secure smart device OS that didn't build a massive personality profile on you like google does and had the same sort of eco system as apple for half the price i would move over to it in a heart beat
Witchfinder said:
It's a bit of a Marmite brand isn't it?
The first real Model-3 rivals will be the VW ID.3 and (albeit in lower volumes) the Polestar 2. This will be the true test.
The problem with "Tesla Killers" is the issue with the business model of the competitors.The first real Model-3 rivals will be the VW ID.3 and (albeit in lower volumes) the Polestar 2. This will be the true test.
VW and Volvo have a massive dealer franchise network to look after. Dealers make their money on servicing and parts not selling cars.
When they are asked to sell these electric cars that require no regular maintenance they aren't going to be best pleased. They are killing their own revenue stream. In addition they want to make a profit on the sale, increasing the selling price of the vehicle. They really are stuck,
Witchfinder said:
UnderSteerD said:
The "no love-in for the Tesla brand" would result in the cannibalisation of the sales of their other models, once Audi and Co launch a model 3 alternative...
It's a bit of a Marmite brand isn't it?The first real Model-3 rivals will be the VW ID.3 and (albeit in lower volumes) the Polestar 2. This will be the true test.
They won't necessarily be competing just with eachother though, but with every other comparable vehicle on the market, regardless of drive train.
The result will be more EV sales, rather than significantly less sales of the Model 3 - especially considering that we've got no idea how good or how available any specific EV will be at whatever point in time we're referring to.
Edited by UnderSteerD on Friday 16th August 14:11
Witchfinder said:
UnderSteerD said:
The "no love-in for the Tesla brand" would result in the cannibalisation of the sales of their other models, once Audi and Co launch a model 3 alternative...
It's a bit of a Marmite brand isn't it?The first real Model-3 rivals will be the VW ID.3 and (albeit in lower volumes) the Polestar 2. This will be the true test.
the ID3 may steal some M3 buyers from those who stretched to buy one, i doubt anyone after the LRM3 would give one a second look
the polestar 2 is defiantly charging the model 3 head on, interesting times
Some Gump said:
jamoor said:
Couple of things
1) everyone that needed one probbably has one by now, you can expect it to grow forever
2) apple still are the highest end manufacturer with features noone else has, Pixel 4 may get faceid this year, so apple are 2 years ahead of the game. Noone else has facial unlock.
What is the benefit of facial unlock?1) everyone that needed one probbably has one by now, you can expect it to grow forever
2) apple still are the highest end manufacturer with features noone else has, Pixel 4 may get faceid this year, so apple are 2 years ahead of the game. Noone else has facial unlock.
Is it when you forget to bring both thumbs and your password to the office?
It's a gimmick, not a game changer.
At the same time, removing the button was a game changer as accessing stuff and moving around now takes longer. That’s a huge game changer. Who else has thought of reversing years of improvement in access speeds through one simple change?
Getting phones up to £1000. That’s another game changer. Plenty more people on the planet with £1000 burning a hole in their pocket than people with just £500.
But, one saving grace is that very many people need a smartphone, whereas there still isn’t a single person on the planet who needs an EV.
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