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RobDickinson said:
Reuters can p
s off, owned by an oil company what do you expect?
"Because of the focus on the Model 3, the S line was about 800 cars behind schedule to enter the paint shop, the worker said. "
bks, 2018 S and X target = 100,000, produced in the first half of the year - 49300 or so, 2nd half is 3 days longer.
Its all bullst.
Rob calm down, Tesla is just one manufacturer,CRT TV's were all the rage then came flat screen (invented in 1964) now you would struggle to buy a CRT. The nations Milk was delivered by EV's. Battery Tech has changed Musk decided there was a market for EV's based on the battery tech change and he is chasing it. All the other manufactures infrastructure is based on ICE (Read CRT) and as demand changes they will slow down production of ICE and gear up with EV's...........Tesla will then be one of the EV options as a consumer you can invest in its evolution of the automobile industry chill out. s off, owned by an oil company what do you expect?"Because of the focus on the Model 3, the S line was about 800 cars behind schedule to enter the paint shop, the worker said. "
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ks, 2018 S and X target = 100,000, produced in the first half of the year - 49300 or so, 2nd half is 3 days longer.Its all bulls
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At no point have I said I would not buy one and how do you know what I can or cant buy ?Just saying some people make Tesla out to be the worlds greatest company but they are not without fault. Some people need to take of their Musk tinted glasses.
So sorry that the world cant criticise Tesla for basic mistakes.
Edited by Jordan210 on Friday 6th July 13:01
RobDickinson said:
Reuters can ps off, owned by an oil company what do you expect?
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This just puts an image in my mind of you sitting at your computer in just your underpants and a colander on your head typing absolute garbage.s off, owned by an oil company what do you expect?.
Can you tell us which oil company owns Reuters, I might learn something I didn't know.
xx
Andy
Evanivitch said:
What's a basic part in a Tesla?
Same as most cars I guess. Unless Tesla has super high tech basic parts.Looking on Norwegian forums and owners posts.
weeks to months to even get an appointment at a service centre.
6 month wait for a Windscreen.
4 month wait for a rear window
11 months for a seat.
Also appears to be the same in US. 3 months + for a bumper
a whole tread on twitter here about parts
https://twitter.com/trumpery45/status/994678595837...
Edited by Jordan210 on Friday 6th July 14:25
Edited by Jordan210 on Friday 6th July 14:27
Jordan210 said:
Same as most cars I guess. Unless Tesla has super high tech basic parts.
Looking on Norwegian forums and owners posts.
weeks to months to even get an appointment at a service centre.
6 month wait for a Windscreen.
4 month wait for a rear window
11 months for a seat.
Also appears to be the same in US. 3 months + for a bumper
a whole tread on twitter here about parts
https://twitter.com/trumpery45/status/994678595837...
So not basic parts then, but accident repair parts.Looking on Norwegian forums and owners posts.
weeks to months to even get an appointment at a service centre.
6 month wait for a Windscreen.
4 month wait for a rear window
11 months for a seat.
Also appears to be the same in US. 3 months + for a bumper
a whole tread on twitter here about parts
https://twitter.com/trumpery45/status/994678595837...
Edited by Jordan210 on Friday 6th July 14:25
Edited by Jordan210 on Friday 6th July 14:27
Evanivitch said:
So not basic parts then, but accident repair parts.
Still pretty basic parts.Most car companies can get those parts out to customers with in a matter of days. even low volume manufactures.
Just got sent this. Not sure how true.
"Elon Musk ordered Tesla engineers to stop doing a critical brake test on Model 3s"
http://uk.businessinsider.com/tesla-elon-musk-orde...
Like I said. Tesla need to sort out basics. They have a great product. But after care is clearly lacking.
Edited by Jordan210 on Friday 6th July 15:37
Jordan210 said:
Evanivitch said:
So not basic parts then, but accident repair parts.
Still pretty basic parts.Most car companies can get those parts out to customers with in a matter of days. even low volume manufactures.
Just got sent this. Not sure how true.
"Elon Musk ordered Tesla engineers to stop doing a critical brake test on Model 3s"
http://uk.businessinsider.com/tesla-elon-musk-orde...
Like I said. Tesla need to sort out basics. They have a great product. But after care is clearly lacking.
Edited by Jordan210 on Friday 6th July 15:37
I find it odd. It does seem to be a very marmite company. The polarised views are more extreme than most - lots who seem obsessed that it should fail and many converts who brook no criticism of the company. Love and hate, equally blind. (Not so much here, by the way: more the Tesla forums where the arguments are epic).
I have had a dreadful experience with Tesla but love my Model X. I think Musk has pursued a highly risky and quite possibly flawed strategy. However, what he has achieved is astounding. The products they produce have amazing aspects - real eye-opening leaps forward - yet have some equally amazing faults. It might be the "Apple of cars" - redefining the entire industry. It might be a flash in the pan.
Both camps are a bit odd, as far as I'm concerned. However, I would point out that, in my limited experience, the cars are generally adored by women and millennials and loathed by middle-aged men - and the more "into cars" they are, the more likely that they will disparage Teslas. So perhaps the demographic of PH counts against the brand.
I have had a dreadful experience with Tesla but love my Model X. I think Musk has pursued a highly risky and quite possibly flawed strategy. However, what he has achieved is astounding. The products they produce have amazing aspects - real eye-opening leaps forward - yet have some equally amazing faults. It might be the "Apple of cars" - redefining the entire industry. It might be a flash in the pan.
Both camps are a bit odd, as far as I'm concerned. However, I would point out that, in my limited experience, the cars are generally adored by women and millennials and loathed by middle-aged men - and the more "into cars" they are, the more likely that they will disparage Teslas. So perhaps the demographic of PH counts against the brand.
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No such thing as an biased person...Musk used his huge resource to capitalise on emerging technology, which at this moment is becoming much more commercially viable 20 years ago he would have failed. Like my previous post said the "Dinosaurs" that you claim the existing manufactures to be have spent billions on R&D they have the mass production capability of the now, Musk is catching up and trying to automate to keep costs down. As the "Dinosaurs" start moving to EV two things will happen. They will leverage their existing assembly plants and invest in more automation, they will have a loyal fanbase and Tesla will be just another brand competing. maybe some manufactures will go to the wall maybe they won't but what you can be sure of is Tesla will have true competition. they may have a 3 year window maybe 5 (and I am being generous) but then times up. Tesla will need to have delivery, service and customer care sorted.
AstonZagato said:
However, I would point out that, in my limited experience, the cars are generally adored by women and millennials and loathed by middle-aged men - and the more "into cars" they are, the more likely that they will disparage Teslas. So perhaps the demographic of PH counts against the brand.
You make a very good point here. As a middle aged man I’ve had plenty of cars ranging from 2 door sporty jobs to luxo barges. My journey to EV was via a couple of Lexus hybrids, and I prayed for the day my Lexus dealer would announce the full EV was on the way. Never happened, test drove a Tesla, wrung my hands about what I was considering buying into and took the plunge after Brexit but before the price hike stuck another’s £10k on the price.I hope never to go back to ICE, and I’m no eco warrior. For my money the driving experience that the EV drivetrain delivers is just better than an ICE. Frankly I couldn’t care less that it wouldn’t last round a race track. All this doesn’t mean I suddenly hate ICE cars or think those who drive them are the spawn of the devil. But it does seem that many ICE drivers think that that is what EV drivers think of them.
There is also the human reluctance to change, and we are wedded to our ICE machines, and why wouldn’t we be? We love ‘em and spend stupid amounts of money on them. It’s a wrench to look in a different direction.
Women and millennials aren't, generally speaking, as into their cars as we are, so are perhaps more receptive to change.
Tesla aren’t perfect, not by a long long way but what they have achieved is remarkable and also hats off to JLR for bringing the I Pace to market. I hope there are many more to come, more choice can only be good for all of us.
egomeister said:
DJP31 said:
I hope there are many more to come, more choice can only be good for all of us.
But in the context of Teslas survival, less good for them...What Tesla have to improve on is their “back office”, it’s not fit for purpose and comms are often hit and miss. Parts availability can be a disaster, 3 months or more for a bumper etc etc.
Musk is also his own worst enemy, setting himself up for a fall every time he sets a target. If he could just reign that in a bit it would be good.
Yep Tesla deserve criticism on a few things, repairs, parts, service all lagging, autopilot enhancements etc.
What they don't deserve it on is production volumes, testing fires etc. That's all short bullst.
I know someone here with 4 Teslas last I heard only 1 was running..
I still like my ice cars too the mx5 is more involving and fun than any ev outside of Rimac, might be an ev replacement one day but it's a long way off.
For my daily drive ev is much better I just want someone to make one that will work for me and is affordable.
The model y is perhaps it, but who knows.
What they don't deserve it on is production volumes, testing fires etc. That's all short bulls
t. I know someone here with 4 Teslas last I heard only 1 was running..
I still like my ice cars too the mx5 is more involving and fun than any ev outside of Rimac, might be an ev replacement one day but it's a long way off.
For my daily drive ev is much better I just want someone to make one that will work for me and is affordable.
The model y is perhaps it, but who knows.
RobDickinson said:
I still like my ice cars too the mx5 is more involving and fun than any ev outside of Rimac, might be an ev replacement one day but it's a long way off.
For my daily drive ev is much better I just want someone to make one that will work for me and is affordable.
most things are better than an MX5 For my daily drive ev is much better I just want someone to make one that will work for me and is affordable.
seriously though are you saying you won't miss the sound of a "Real Car" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZMPDCNyQxE bet if your MX5 sounded like this you would miss it.I just bought this last weekend, so I’m not giving up on ICE cars any time soon (or V12 noise).
But I still love my Tesla - just in a different way. I’d take it over my L405 Range Rover if it could do the off-road things the Rangie can do and had a bigger boot for the dogs.
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But I still love my Tesla - just in a different way. I’d take it over my L405 Range Rover if it could do the off-road things the Rangie can do and had a bigger boot for the dogs.
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