Tesla and Uber Unlikely to Survive...

[Heres Johnny]

DonkeyApple said:

Heres Johnny said:

T-195 said:

PS2018 said:

Blommberg today: 'Global electric vehicle sales hit 588,000 in the second quarter of 2019. The rate of growth is slowing down slightly in 2019, but the market is still up 43% year-on-year. Global EV penetration increased to 3.8% of sales, as total vehicle sales are dropping in large markets. Three times as many battery electrics were sold as plug-in hybrids'

600,000 EVs sold with nearly 8 billion people on the planet.

Wow.

Of the 8 billion, 2.4B don't have basic sanitation... whats your point?

If Tesla fitted a toilet to their cars they’d sell 2.4bn more units? . The demand would be insane especially if they had autonomous flush.

You mean the larger panel gaps and wipe clean seats aren't?

[hyphen]

Sambucket said:

Tesla up today on news it will be exempt from China’s 10% purchase tax.

I remember thinking when the Chinese PM offered Musk Chinese citizenship, that Tesla might have an edge in China.

What does the devil want in return?

And could you post links to your sources when posting stuff too

[Burwood]

hyphen said:

Sambucket said:

Tesla up today on news it will be exempt from China’s 10% purchase tax.

I remember thinking when the Chinese PM offered Musk Chinese citizenship, that Tesla might have an edge in China.

What does the devil want in return?

And could you post links to your sources when posting stuff too

Tesla pay $320M every year in lease costs to the chinese Govt.

[hyphen]

Burwood said:

hyphen said:

Sambucket said:

Tesla up today on news it will be exempt from China’s 10% purchase tax.

I remember thinking when the Chinese PM offered Musk Chinese citizenship, that Tesla might have an edge in China.

What does the devil want in return?

And could you post links to your sources when posting stuff too

Tesla pay $320M every year in lease costs to the chinese Govt.

Which is pennies to a country the size of China. And isn't that for the Gigafactory subsidies/loans it's getting and already committed to regardless.

China wont do favours for Elon, they will have a strategy he and Tesla is fitting into

[Burwood]

hyphen said:

Burwood said:

hyphen said:

Sambucket said:

Tesla up today on news it will be exempt from China’s 10% purchase tax.

I remember thinking when the Chinese PM offered Musk Chinese citizenship, that Tesla might have an edge in China.

What does the devil want in return?

And could you post links to your sources when posting stuff too

Tesla pay $320M every year in lease costs to the chinese Govt.

Which is pennies to a country the size of China.

China wont do favours for Elon, they will have a strategy he and Tesla is fitting.intom

acquire their tech-simple

[hyphen]

Burwood said:

acquire their tech-simple

Already done

https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/10/20689468/tesla-...

[Heres Johnny]

hyphen said:

Sambucket said:

Tesla up today on news it will be exempt from China’s 10% purchase tax.

I remember thinking when the Chinese PM offered Musk Chinese citizenship, that Tesla might have an edge in China.

What does the devil want in return?

And could you post links to your sources when posting stuff too

Its only up in the mathematical sense that its higher than it was yesterday, its about the same compared to last week, down 10% against a month ago and 27% against a year ago, nobody seems that excited

[anonymous-user]

Burwood said:

They are trialling ONE car. Sure it can make sense but Dodge won't go down without a fight. Wait until a pursuit ends in a dead battery and the bad guys drive away in their Dodge

Maybe whilst waiting for the Tesla pickup truck, the cops could read consumer reports review of dodge charger, and marvel at the lowest dependability scores in all categories, and a one-out-of-five reliability rating.

We will soon see widespread acceptance, that ICE drivetrain is old, defunct tech. And will be embarrassing to run within a short time. People will point and laugh at the sad old combustion engine. Driving an ICE will be a sure sign of short termist, breadline poverty. Much like a credit card

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 30th August 14:03

[jjwilde]

I'm surprised that more UK police forces are not looking at the 3. Or maybe they are. I know several have i3s and Leafs at the moment.

[hyphen]

jjwilde said:

I'm surprised that more UK police forces are not looking at the 3. Or maybe they are. I know several have i3s and Leafs at the moment.

Not seen Leafs but know both the police and fire service have the odd i3.

Lack of space to charge them may limit mass orders? Also they need them back on the road straight away and from what I've read, getting body parts takes time?

[DonkeyApple]

jjwilde said:

I'm surprised that more UK police forces are not looking at the 3. Or maybe they are. I know several have i3s and Leafs at the moment.

The criminals would escape through the panel gaps though?

[T-195]

[T-195]

jjwilde said:

I'm surprised that more UK police forces are not looking at the 3. Or maybe they are. I know several have i3s and Leafs at the moment.

Yes, I wonder why more police officers don't drive cars with a rather limited range. Especially in Hot Pursuit.

[jjwilde]

T-195 said:

Yes, I wonder why more police officers don't drive cars with a rather limited range. Especially in Hot Pursuit.

Yeah the 300mile range 3 would never be enough for the 80-120mile average per day of a police car

And I guess 0-60 in 3 seconds isn't quick enough either.

And wow the running costs must be astronomical on one of those fancy EVs.

[skwdenyer]

hyphen said:

jjwilde said:

I'm surprised that more UK police forces are not looking at the 3. Or maybe they are. I know several have i3s and Leafs at the moment.

Not seen Leafs but know both the police and fire service have the odd i3.

Lack of space to charge them may limit mass orders? Also they need them back on the road straight away and from what I've read, getting body parts takes time?

The Met have some i3s. I've chatted to the crews; they particularly like the ability to creep up on people The range is pretty poor on them, of course, and they're expensive, but they seem to like them. Rear doors that won't open before the front ones aren't the advantage you'd imagine, however, since in the UK we cart off arrestees by van much of the time.

UK forces seem to prefer hatches to saloons, so perhaps the Model 3 would be a poor fit?

[anonymous-user]

Sambucket said:

Burwood said:

They are trialling ONE car. Sure it can make sense but Dodge won't go down without a fight. Wait until a pursuit ends in a dead battery and the bad guys drive away in their Dodge

Maybe whilst waiting for the Tesla pickup truck, the cops could read consumer reports review of dodge charger, and marvel at the lowest dependability scores in all categories, and a one-out-of-five reliability rating.

We will soon see widespread acceptance, that ICE drivetrain is old, defunct tech. And will be embarrassing to run within a short time. People will point and laugh at the sad old combustion engine. Driving an ICE will be a sure sign of short termist, breadline poverty. Much like a credit card

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 30th August 14:03

Bear in mind that you’re just reiterating what other idiots were saying 5 years ago.

We all know it’ll happen, eventually. Some of us are smart enough not to pay through the nose for it.

[anonymous-user]

REALIST123 said:

Bear in mind that you’re just reiterating what other idiots were saying 5 years ago.

We all know it’ll happen, eventually. Some of us are smart enough not to pay through the nose for it.

Yeah, it's the high cost of being poor.

if you can't afford the upfront costs of an EV, you are stuck paying through the nose for the higher total costs of the ICE.

Not really fair on poor people who end up driving ICE and paying more than the rich, who enjoy superior tech at lower cost, but it is what it is.

[skwdenyer]

Sambucket said:

REALIST123 said:

Bear in mind that you’re just reiterating what other idiots were saying 5 years ago.

We all know it’ll happen, eventually. Some of us are smart enough not to pay through the nose for it.

Yeah, it's the high cost of being poor.

if you can't afford the upfront costs of an EV, you are stuck paying through the nose for the higher total costs of the ICE.

Not really fair on poor people who end up driving ICE and paying more than the rich, but it is what it is.

The fairness could be achieved by scrapping the horrific regressive taxation on road fuel, of course. Governments of all sides don't want the poor liberated...

[jamoor]

Sambucket said:

Yeah, it's the high cost of being poor.

if you can't afford the upfront costs of an EV, you are stuck paying through the nose for the higher total costs of the ICE.

Not really fair on poor people who end up driving ICE and paying more than the rich, who enjoy superior tech at lower cost, but it is what it is.

Exactly or the scheme of the century with 0% BIK which makes fiddling stuff a doddle for company owners.

[Heres Johnny]

From what I read earlier, even Tesla don't use Teslas for their rangers in some parts of the country due to lack of supercharging

A model 3 isn't free to run, sure they could have some of them but Tesla would probably invalidate the warranty as soon as anyone tinkers with it adding blue lights and a police radio. As a bog standard panda car (if they're still called that), then maybe, but then Kona EVs would be more practical and cheaper